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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 09:59 PM
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why has Blanche Lincoln won the primary?
Is this an open primary where Republicans and/or independents can vote in a Dem. primary?


I'm so pissed.

:mad:

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:00 PM
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1. Democrats are conservative in Arkansas. It's that simple. nt
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 06:21 AM
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37. yes unfortunately
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RedRoses323 Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 06:51 AM
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38. Yes they are!
I'm not from here, but I live here. I'm pissed that Lincoln won.... :mad:
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 07:58 AM
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42. Yes and as someone said in another thread, Bill Clinton has a lot
of persuasive ability there. No surprise.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:07 AM
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47. She apparently constantly ran her Obama endorsement too
She also had Wesley Clark. The NYT did a hit piece on her opponent the day before - though I don't know whether that would be seen by many in AR (or if Lincoln's campaign found a way to use it).

It is hard to beat an incumbent.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:20 AM
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53. Did you notice that Obama wasn't mentioned at ALL in relation to Lincoln's win when
BEFORE the election, the talking heads were saying if she loses, this will be Obama's 5th loss in a row? Not ONE word about "breaking his losing streak" or anything! Yet when Obama was just as involved or NOT involved with the OTHER incumbent Dems. who LOST, there was constant discussion about how Obama is a loser. :eyes:
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:31 AM
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54. Yep - I noticed that
I have no idea which of the two Presidents deserve the most "credit" for this win. It could even be the combination. Having these two top people both recommending Lincoln might have moved enough to stay with her. But you are right that had she lost - it would have been Obama's loss with no a word of Bill Clinton.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 07:37 AM
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56. Ignorant Regressives. nt
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:01 PM
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2. One of her DLC lietenants kept dozens of polling places CLOSED.
In Halter friendly areas, naturally. :grr:

Or in other words, the DLC stole it.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:04 PM
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8. Nah. Even those initiating the legal challenges do not believe this flipped the election.
Before you start... I deplore vote obstruction and am a Halter supporter.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 08:19 AM
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44. It was a safety net though

If the votes had been even closer, a squeaker, the difference could have been the hundreds of Halter supporters that didn't
vote because they couldn't get to their new voting location.
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Lost4words Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:01 PM
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3. I am gonna be sick.........
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:02 PM
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Halter's best districts had their polling places cut by up to 90%.
Edited on Tue Jun-08-10 10:04 PM by MrSlayer
Where there were 20 in a certain county for primary day, today there were only two. It was like that all over the state.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 03:40 AM
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31. Does anyone have links for this? I am interested in this story
Thanks!
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 04:05 AM
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33. Nevermind, I found my own links (and pics)
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:02 PM
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4. This?
Well, it didn't hurt.

President Obama Endorses Senator Blanche Lincoln

"President Obama: Leading the Fight"

"This is President Barack Obama and I want to tell you why I support Senator Blanche Lincoln for re-election in the Democratic Primary on Tuesday, May 18th. Blanche is leading the fight to hold Wall Street accountable and make sure that Arkansas taxpayers are never again asked to bailout Wall Street bankers. She is standing on the side of workers who've lost their jobs in this recession by extending unemployment insurance payments and health care while they try to get back on their feet. And she cast crucial votes to create new jobs in Arkansas and all across America. On health care, Blanche took on big insurance companies by voting to end discrimination against Arkansans with pre-existing conditions and fought for tax credits that will help thousands of local small businesses provide insurance to their employees. I urge you to join me in supporting Senator Blanche Lincoln for re-election on Tuesday, May 18th."

http://www.blancheforsenate.com/page?id=0014
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:02 PM
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5. Very conservative state...
Not surprising she managed to eke out a victory.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:03 PM
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6. Because of an illegal move by Charles Tapp to close all but 2 poll sites in Garland County
where Halter is big in the district. And it's the 2nd largest one after Pulaski.

Hooten should proceed with the lawsuit and request an emergency order invalidating the election result and finally force a do-over in the entire state of Arkansas at Lincolns' expense (since this was her fault that she could not win without cheating)

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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:11 AM
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48. I hope the lawsuit proceeds, so we can find out the truth.
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:03 PM
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7. Speculation...GOP style dirty tricks! n/t
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:05 PM
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10. Now you know how the GOP hangs onto the South.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 11:54 PM
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26. But what's shameful is here we have Democrats doing it too. n/t
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:04 PM
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9. Kitchen sink strategy
Thank two Presidents.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:08 PM
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11. Just goes to show yet again NOT to place your trust in cheap polls
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:08 PM
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12. heh, Going to get much worse it seems.
Edited on Tue Jun-08-10 10:49 PM by RandomThoughts
Much Much worse.

Although I agree it should not be about money, it also should not be about vote manipulation.


:shrug:

People choose what they want to do.

Going to get worse, Towering Inferno.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsRnQQpklPM


Might as well go back to listening to this song, and not worry about things.

La Roux - In for the Kill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ1Mi77nogQ


Personal Note, I am not in the building. I see the building as a metaphor for the world.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:08 PM
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13. Why? Because more people voted for her
Pretty simple.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:34 PM
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14. A few more possibilities
(1) Bill Clinton

(2) An adverse reaction to out-of-state money and support interfering in local politics. (No one talks about this, but it can happen, especially in states that have a lot of local identity. They really don't cotton to "outsiders" trying to meddle into their business.)

(3) Bill Clinton. She won in Little Rock 60-40.

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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 11:28 PM
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20. I have to wonder if she would have won if Clinton had remained neutral
in the runoff (not that he would of, I mean he does what he wants to). Even Obama's support was lukewarm.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:36 PM
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15. Because more Democrats voted for her than for Halter
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:38 PM
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16. Partly because Bill Clinton stank up the primary and the run-off by endorsing her
Elitist corporate shills stand up for one another.
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rury Donating Member (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 11:03 PM
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18. Cannot stand
Bill Clinton anymore!
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:39 PM
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17. Because if she lost, there would be loss of influence in the Senate?
People vote for weird reasons sometimes...plus Halter was never a true progressive to begin with. And Bill Clinton helped.
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 11:04 PM
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19. Wanna know why?
Bill Clinton.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 11:30 PM
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21. Arkansas is the state of Wal-Mart. It's HQ is there.
Edited on Tue Jun-08-10 11:31 PM by 4lbs
Thus, labor unions aren't really welcome in Arkansas. Halter had huge support from labor unions, which were mainly outsiders, and were portrayed as such.

Furthermore, Bill Clinton still has a huge amount of 'street cred' in Arkansas. If he backs a candidate, that's worth an extra 15 points easily.



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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:12 AM
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49. Corporate Clinton backed Corporate Lincoln - both of then deserve Wal-mart World. nt
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 11:33 PM
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22. A bunch of reasons...
1. Bill Clinton. He's still very, very popular in Arkansas. His support of Lincoln probably helped sway a few who were on the fence.

2. Arkansas, like many southern states, is conservative. Even Democrats there are conservative. Sure, there are a great deal of moderate and liberal Democrats (it showed in how much Halter pulled in), but they're not a majority. So even with those upset about the healthcare debate (bragging about killing the PO), a good more probably liked her for doing that.

3. Incumbent who, up until recently, was fairly popular. She has name recognition and sometimes, in the end, it's always easier to vote for the devil you know than the devil you don't. I'm guessing that swayed many.

4. Halter's general election struggles. I think Halter faced a tough battle in the general. Maybe a good deal of Democrats panicked at the thought of Republicans winning the seat.

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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 11:44 PM
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23. She won the primary like bush* won either of his elections. n/t
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 11:52 PM
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24. It's a conservative state.
Even the dems are pretty conservative by and large.

They also understand the role seniority plays in the Senate.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 11:52 PM
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25. Because in the county Bill Halter did the best the last time
40 out of 42 polling places were closed to keep people from voting.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:22 AM
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28. Garland County
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 11:55 PM
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27. I'd like to know about those polling places shut down in Halter's strongholds.
Edited on Wed Jun-09-10 12:06 AM by AtomicKitten
Maybe I'm just being pissy about Lincoln's win :puke: but I'd really like to know WTF was up with that.
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sweetloukillbot Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 05:30 AM
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35. I'm not going to immediately dispute voter fraud...
I don't know what machine politics are like in Arkansas. But having less polling places open during an election that will draw less voters isn't uncommon at all. My normal polling place is across the street and a block away from my house, but during the recent Phoenix City Council election, I had to go to a polling place 1 1/2 miles away, and for the recent school tax proposition the polling place was over 2 miles away. Not to keep me from voting, just because they didn't need a polling place in every square mile because of low demand.

That doesn't necessarily explain a 40-place difference, grant you, just saying there may be other circumstances...
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 05:45 AM
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36. In PA all polling places are open during every election
Basically, because these games have been played in the past and it is State Law.
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:37 AM
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29. Halter flunked the 5 sentence test, identical to Lamont in 2006
Edited on Wed Jun-09-10 12:39 AM by Awsi Dooger
I didn't know anything about Halter. The first time he showed up on Hardball I listened to 5 sentences and sensed he simply wasn't special. The guy sounded like a used car salesman.

It immediately reminded me of Lamont in 2006, a good guy but without political savvy or enough charisma. Lamont was more genuine than Halter, but to oust an incumbent you need very rare circumstances or a very rare candidate. If the netroots continues to push second tier, tight losses will be the high water mark.
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kjackson227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 08:38 AM
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45. This is what I was thinking, also. Voters weren't that gung-ho...
for Halter. Closing my polling place couldn't keep me from voting for a candidate that I REALLY wanted to vote for. On second thought, it wouldn't prevent me from voting at all.
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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 02:41 AM
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30. I don't understand it either Shireen
And I guarantee you that I'm equally as pissed as you
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 03:43 AM
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32. Lincoln's backers seem to have spent rather wildly themselves.
They were advertising on a Missouri tv station on a regular basis.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 04:12 AM
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34. She represents her state instead of her party.
Novel concept, I know.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 06:59 AM
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39. Nonsense.
She's DLC and for the moment the DLC is running Washington. Missouri actually voted for anti-Bush policies. They got more Bush policies instead so they're getting mad. Put that in your novel concept and smoke it.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 07:57 AM
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41. Arkansas Democrats get what they want.
If you're not from Arkansas, you can put that in your pipe and smoke it, because it's the last word.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 04:11 PM
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55. I'll remind you of that in November.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 07:27 AM
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40. Bill Clinton?
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 08:19 AM
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43. Clinton support and outside groups interferring message resonated.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 08:40 AM
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46. because arkansas is a conservative state. arkansas dems are not like NY dems.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:13 AM
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51. Ain't that the truth.
I know in Harlem it was so funny. They were like during the GE...we all know you're voting for Obama just do it. I'm like...nothing is scared at a majority Black polling spot. :D
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:12 AM
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50. Clinton and some Dems in Arkansas are not liberal Dems. n/t
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:17 AM
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52. Clinton helped her a lot
And she was once tagged the Nicest Senator around, so maybe her personality had something to do with it. Her record isn't all the great, but I've seen her speak and she comes off as someone that people would see as a regular person.
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