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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 07:13 AM
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One lesson from the Arkansas results
Don't UNDERESTIMATE a female candidate(Harry Reid)it happened to Hillary when she was counted out in New Hampshire. It happened in NC Rethug primary by going after Barber after the male candidates bashed her alleged affairs it backfired.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 07:23 AM
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1. and don't underestimate the influence of the big dog
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 07:36 AM
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4. especially on his home ground. nt
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 07:42 AM
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5. In this instance, that might be true
So, you can overstate the importance of ANY endorsement. If a race gets high enough visibility, it will rest on the two candidates. The most that others can do is bring people out to joint events - where the candidate then has to make a good showing or to act as a good surrogate deflecting some of the arrows. Clinton also endorsed (in the primaries) McAuliffe in VA, Coakley in MA, and Specter in PA. (Coakley then did win the primary, but Democratic turnout in the general election was extremely poor.)

But, Arkansas is his home state and the race was close. It is completely likely that he was the deciding difference.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 08:38 AM
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10. sure he was the deciding influence - his machine shut down the polling places for Halter voters
because that was the ONLY way they could pull Lincoln thru.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 08:43 AM
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12. I tend to think closed polling locations, and voting shenanigans had much more impact
on the outcome than Clinton did.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 08:55 AM
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13. well . . . others agree with me
"Arkansas Sen. Blanche Lincoln survived a bruising Democratic runoff thanks to former President Bill Clinton's starpower and her argument that labor unions were trying to interfere in state politics."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_LINCOLN_HOW_SHE_WON?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2010-06-09-03-21-04
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 09:29 AM
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17. Is that like "Some People Say"? eom
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:22 AM
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18. just sayin' . . . (eom)
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 01:34 PM
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24. And support from the White House.
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Dont TS Me Brah Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 03:40 PM
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31. love me some "big dog"... nt
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 07:28 AM
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2. Don't underestimate crooked local politics nt
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Snarkoleptic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 07:31 AM
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3. Oh, I thought the lesson was "Walmart gets what Walmart wants".
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Hestia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 09:26 AM
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16. Ain't that the truth
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 07:50 AM
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6. One thing that may have happened is that
there was so much publicity about the labor unions spending millions to beat Lincoln. The millions were furnished by the laborers. Somehow that just doesn't sound good. It may have turned off a lot of people who actually were on the fence. Ten million dollars would have gone a long way in helping schools, people getting jobs, etc.
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Hestia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 09:26 AM
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15. No, because those union members live here in Ark, and if you ask the average person
they want to be in a union because they see how well their union friends are doing. Union workers *here* did all the work, with support from National. Union is not a bad word here.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 07:56 AM
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7. No, it's the obvious lesson DU refuses to get
Red states are well, red. Even the Democrats are relatively conservative. Primary the Blue Dog all you want, but a Red state is a red state and that's why their Democrats are conservative.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 08:34 AM
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9. which is why i am glad to live in NY
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 08:56 AM
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14. You and me both. However I got Rangel man...
He won't leave office until he croaks!
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 08:29 AM
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8. The lesson is that conservative states don't let DU elect their representatives!
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 08:41 AM
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11. The lesson to be learned is that "Cheating Works". eom
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:30 AM
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19. We'll never hear of these 'voting irregularities' from MSM
This country is turning into a banana republic faster than I ever thought possible.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:44 PM
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22. +1000
When a DLC flunkie deliberately closes 90% of the polling places in a pro-Halter county, nobody can deny this election was stolen.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 07:38 PM
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32. Voter suppression isn't just for Republicans anymore. eom
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DatManFromNawlins Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 11:47 AM
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20. Here's another:
People, ESPECIALLY Southern people, get pissed off when national organizations try to throw their weight around locally.

Organizations that don't participate in local politics with either time or money and then suddenly try to come down here and influence elections can go screw, regardless of affiliation.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:30 PM
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21. I learned that corporate money, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, and leadership=DLC hackery
Fuck all the dumb shit this was decided by "the elites" and friends of "the stakeholders".
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:57 PM
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23. Don't spend huge amounts of money in a state where you have almost no representation.
3% of people in Arkansas are in a union. That's right. Three percent.

Compare that to 25% in New York, and about 20% in California, Washington, and Hawaii.

A union-backed candidate in Arkansas is going to have a very tough time winning a Democratic primary, much less the entire state.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 01:40 PM
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25. Yup, it does not mean that Unions are dead. It means it is Arkansas.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 02:08 PM
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27. They should have spent that money convincing people in Arkansas to join a union.
Then Halter wouldn't have been portrayed as being influenced by out-of-state money.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 02:21 PM
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28. Yes, it might have helped. Arkansas is 41st of out 50 states and DC
Edited on Wed Jun-09-10 03:10 PM by Jennicut
as far as Union Representation goes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_affiliation_by_U.S._state
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 02:46 PM
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29. It has a "right to work" law enshrined in the Constitution too
Where did anyone get the idea this was the state for unions to get the vote going their way in?
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 03:09 PM
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30. I have no idea. I guess it was worth a shot but Halter was not all that progressive himself.
I live in New England, in CT. Close to NY, there is a big Union representation. My husband is in a Union. But the South? Not so much.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 07:44 PM
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33. Well I must say - in a state where apparently unions
Edited on Wed Jun-09-10 07:46 PM by xchrom
Are thought so poorly of--
they gave Blanche a he'll of a run.

Something to think about.
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