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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 01:17 PM
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Source: HUGE Federal Gulf Public Works Project Coming

Source: HUGE Federal Gulf Public Works Project Coming

by calchala

Apparently, according to historian, Douglas Brinkley there is a huge federal gulf recovery act being planned by the Obama administration and by Congress that would be on the scale of Tennessee Valley Authority.

This would include redirecting the Mississippi River down towards the gulf but wouldn't begin until after the well was fully capped and the relief well was drilled. h/t RLMiller

Tennessee Valley Authority for Gulf Coast

BRINKLEY: There are three things...going on. One is close that well...capture as much oil as you can, keep the pressure on BP on the relief wells. Second is immediate cleanup. And I think more can be done by the Obama administration...But I think the big third piece is coming, when President Obama comes to Florida and Alabama and Mississippi, and that is holding BP responsible for the Natural Resource Damage Act, for the Oil Spill Response Act. And, by that, I mean BP is going to end up paying somewhere from $10 billion to $15 billion, maybe even $20 billion, because they’re going — one of the only ways to save the Louisiana wetlands is going to be — you know, the Mississippi River has been channelized for navigation.

Well, now the Mississippi River has to be redirected. It’s going to have to be flooded and sediment pumped into these marshlands to save it. I think the Obama administration...

Brinkley later suggests that this is the reason that Obama is not talking to BP head Tony Hayward.

BRINKLEY: Yes. Yes. It’s one of the reasons why the president is not talking to Tony Hayward. And they are going to come out with a large Gulf recovery act, because the oil and gas industry has been dredging. We have disappearing barrier islands. For 40 years down there, it’s abused the wetlands.

This is a turning point. There is an appetite on Capitol Hill for Gulf recovery act. The Mississippi River is going to have to be redirected into the marshlands. And BP and Transocean and other, you know, operations, Cameron, other companies are going to have to pay up to $10 billion and $15 billion for breaking national acts.

This project appears very similar to what was discussed by Center for American Progress, whose founder John Podesta was the Obama transition Chief. CAP: Oil Reform Agenda

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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 01:23 PM
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1. I really hope Obama goes with this.
Yes, it would be a huge undertaking. But the Gulf needs this and many experts have said it needed to be done for a long time.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 01:31 PM
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2. This was posted earlier on this forum
Edited on Sat Jun-12-10 01:32 PM by IndianaGreen
a few days ago. There has been no additional information or corroboration other than what Douglas Brinkley said on CNN.

Here is the link to June 10 story:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=433&topic_id=333675
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 01:38 PM
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3. Not the same thing. There is additional information in the piece. n/t
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 01:40 PM
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4. It is quoting Brinkley again
Where is the corroboration of Brinkley's story? All you got is bloggers speculating on the one uncorroborated source.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 01:41 PM
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5. Why is that a problem? It's not just about Brinkley's quote. n/t
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 01:51 PM
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6. Where is the beef?
Edited on Sat Jun-12-10 02:02 PM by IndianaGreen
Other than what Brinkley said, is there any other evidence that a massive Gulf restoration project is in the works? It will cost hundreds of billions of dollars to partially restore what we have lost in the Gulf catastrophe. Some things have been lost forever!

Telling USACE to stop building the dams that have harmed our wetlands won't happen! Too much money, and political plum jobs, involved in those projects.
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suzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 05:30 PM
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21. It displeases you that something might be good for the Gulf Coast--because it won't
Edited on Sat Jun-12-10 05:33 PM by suzie
fit in with your daily anti-Obama rhetoric?

Niiiiice.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 07:22 PM
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25. The issue here is that there is no evidence of this other than Brinkley's assertion
this past Thursday on Anderson Cooper's 360, a show that I did watch! Surely we would have heard something about it, particularly when one considers how local politicians fall over each other to give good news to their constituents.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 02:12 PM
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7. Great idea, allegedly "Democratic" Senators will join into obstructing it.
This sort of government action could be transformative, which is why it won't happen.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 02:38 PM
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8. CCCamps here we come. About time. However, wages in those camps
were not good just better. These need to have good wages. It would not hurt to have inner city programs that start to rebuild the livable cities we are talking about now.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 02:40 PM
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9. Instead of bailing out Wall Street, we could have used a major public works program early 2009
An historical opportunity was lost! Now everyone is babbling about deficit this, deficit that, much as Hoover did.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 05:28 PM
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20. I've been arguing for this for so long
I would love to have a job like that, even if the pay isn't great. Beats working at Walmart for minimum wage.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 02:42 PM
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10. Brinkley stands by this and is a reliable journalist.
Just heard on the radio: The WH is giving BP until the end of the weekend to put oil containment into place. BP responded that it wouldn't be until mid-July. Aarrgghhhh!!!

I smell a showdown.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 02:45 PM
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11. But there has been nothing new since original thread dated June 10
so all we got is a rehashing of something posted before, with no new information, and with only Brinkley as the sole source.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 02:49 PM
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12. Brinkley says it's in the works.
This can be viewed with either pessimism or optimism. I choose the latter.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 02:50 PM
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13. That's all you got--the original Brinkley assertion
Edited on Sat Jun-12-10 02:50 PM by IndianaGreen
with nothing else to back it up.

I don't believe in faith-based politics!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 02:51 PM
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15. I refer you to my first post -- Brinkley is a reliable journalist. Make of it what you will. nt
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 02:53 PM
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16. Let me know when there is something happening
until then, you got the same stuff we get from religion about waiting for a better life in the next life.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 04:04 PM
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18. i think that the closer you live to the Gulf, the less likely you are to be optimistic
we just haven't seen any evidence of anything to be optimistic about.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 02:50 PM
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14. K&R.. I hope this pans out.. because that area needs work and recovery
all the way back to Katrina and either moving NOLA... or building better barriers..
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 03:40 PM
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17. KR More challenges being met head on.
"BRINKLEY: Yes. Yes. It’s one of the reasons why the president is not talking to Tony Hayward. And they are going to come out with a large Gulf recovery act, because the oil and gas industry has been dredging. We have disappearing barrier islands. For 40 years down there, it’s abused the wetlands.

This is a turning point. There is an appetite on Capitol Hill for Gulf recovery act. The Mississippi River is going to have to be redirected into the marshlands. And BP and Transocean and other, you know, operations, Cameron, other companies are going to have to pay up to $10 billion and $15 billion for breaking national acts."

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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 04:25 PM
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19. This would be HUUUUUGE! K&R
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 06:44 PM
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22. The oil companies have been doing unseen damage to the wetlands for decades -
it seems as if I've always known about the loss of land and influx of salt water due to channeling, but no one was willing to do anything about it. A quick Google search turned up government reports going back to 1995 suggesting a need to restore the delta. I'd be willing to bet that the ongoing loss has been substantially greater than the current damage in terms of loss of habitat. Maybe that's why I can't get too excited about the oil spill; the last few weeks have been like someone panicking about a grease fire in the kitchen on the Titanic!

All of which is to say, if this project does go forward, it'd be the greatest thing since land was set aside for the first national park!
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 01:21 AM
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34. It's not just the oil companies
It's 150 years of flood control and channelization.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 06:48 PM
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23. This can't be true..... after all, he's the "do nothing" President... right?

:eyes:
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 07:18 PM
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24. It only took the largest ecological disaster on record to get this done
:eyes:

How much of this is going to come out of the taxpayer's pockets?
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 08:09 PM
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26. Hopefully most of it
This is a public works project. It should be paid for by public funds. What's more, doing so is an excellent use of those funds, as it is stimulative of the economy and would represent the biggest pump priming since the Roosevelt administration.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 10:12 AM
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27. so you think the public should pay to clean up BP's spill?
Edited on Sun Jun-13-10 10:12 AM by Donnachaidh
Because all the damage down there is being done by a corporate giant's negligence. And after weeks of telling the US public that they were NOT going to be the ones paying for the cleanup, all of a sudden this public works project is announced.

Kinda clearing the way to let BP off the hook? And asking for more applause while they let the corporate giant off the hook for the costs, short term and long term.

Yeah -- rah rah.... :sarcasm: :puke:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 10:21 AM
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28. No, BP should pay for the clean up, but
the project described in the OP should be funded by the government, even if some of the money comes from the penalties collected from BP.

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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 10:29 AM
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29. ill believe it when i see it
i dont trust these fucks anymore
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 10:52 AM
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30. K & R
:thumbsup:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 01:04 AM
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31. We are still waiting for the big announcement
And sadly tonight's speech, which would have provided an excellent platform for a visionary plan that would have included unleashing the Mississippi to save the marshes, did not even hint at the plan that Brinkley had mentioned.

I saw Doug Brinkley when he made that remark on Anderson Cooper's 360 (Carville was the other guest). No further information was provided, and there has been no corroboration of what Brinkley said. And now Brinkley is not even talking about it anymore.

I blame Brinkley for making such an uncorroborated assertion on national TV. There is no such thing as faith based politics. Prayer ain't gonna get us out of this mess. There is no god up there to wave the magic wand to save us. It was man's arrogance and stupidity that led us to this disaster in the Gulf, and it will be man that will get us out of this mess, but not unscathed.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 01:11 AM
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32. Maybe you'll be proven wrong soon,
and then what? Won't you just assail something else done that you don't like? I mean, isn't that the whole game? :shrug:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 01:13 AM
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33. I won't be proven wrong about how idiotic it was to escalate the war in Afghanistan
but then, neither you nor me are the ones that have to suffer in the country referred to as the destroyer of empires.

I won't be proven wrong about what I said about Brinkley being off-base.
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