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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 08:57 AM
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WH aide: "an energy deal must include some serious effort to price carbon"
Gulf fuels new energy-bill push

President Barack Obama and his Democratic allies plan a major new push for a broad global warming bill, fueled in part by public outrage over the BP disaster, according to top aides.

Joel Benenson, a pollster for the Democratic National Committee and Obama’s presidential campaign, argues in a new briefing for top Capitol Hill officials that a comprehensive energy bill “could give Democrats a potent weapon to wield against Republicans in the fall.”

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM130_jb.html">Read the briefing.

“The oil spill is intensifying the public’s desire for clean energy investments and increased regulation on corporate polluters,” Benenson writes in the briefing, which he prepared on behalf of the League of Conservation Voters.

“In the aftermath of the spill, people firmly believe Congress needs to do more than just make BP pay. Even when pressed with opposition messaging that now is not the time for some ‘job killing energy tax,’ people coalesce around comprehensive clean energy reform. Consequently, support for a comprehensive energy bill is very high. With the right messaging, that support holds strong in the face of harsh opposition attacks.”

Obama plans to include a call for an energy bill in his Oval Office address about the Gulf on Tuesday night. And the Obama administration has told key senators that “an energy deal must include some serious effort to price carbon as a way to slow climate change,” according to a Senate Democratic leadership aide.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/38488.html#ixzz0quq4etos
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 08:50 PM
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1. The fact that this thread got no replies confirms a theory I have about with Olbermann said tonight.
.... Keith's complaint was that the speech wasn't specific enough.

I'd challenge Keith to go up and down the streets of Manhattan asking average citizens what "carbon pricing" was. Or "cap and trade" for that matter.

I think he might be surprised.
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DatManFromNawlins Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 10:45 PM
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2. When people are frightened, they want assurance with specifics
Hope is what you sell to people when you're campaigning. The people want change, and they want to know specifically what WILL change before they're going to go along with it. Don't give me flowery language, and don't tell me how many degrees or nobel prizes the people you associate with have. What will you DO?

Of course, that isn't really fair, BUT... if you're going to get in front of a national television audience as POTUS, you need to have a more specific plan than "we'll try to do the right thing."
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 10:49 PM
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4. How much could he possibly have done with 15 minutes?
The President had a set list of topics he wanted to cover and maybe 2 minutes flat to cover most of them. Is it possible to go into a lecture on specifics with 15 minutes of prime time?
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 10:48 PM
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3. Keith has too much faith in the average American, methinks.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:00 PM
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5. KO hasn't a clue on this. He's just feling self-righteous.
I'm not wasting my time on that guy. When I heard his statements tonight I was like---not everyone is knee deep into political verbosity. He's talking to the masses as intelligent people---but not as scientists.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:29 PM
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13. It wasn't specific enough for him..others like over at dotEarth
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:01 PM
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6. If that carbon tax means I have to pay more at the gasoline pump, sorry...........
Edited on Tue Jun-15-10 11:04 PM by golfguru
I am voting no. The most recent humongous global warming happened 12-15k years ago
ending the last ice age. And there was not a single oil well drilled then or coal being
burned. Sorry, I can't afford $5/gallon gas. That mean object in the sky called sun is
responsible for all previous record breaking global warmings. Compared to sun, man is
smaller than a small pimple on a bull elephant's ass. Man can't control sun's cycles.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:04 PM
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7. Hmmm?
...The most recent humongous global warming happened 12-15k years ago
ending the last ice age. And there was not a single oil well drilled then or coal being
burned.
Sorry, I can't afford $5/gallon gas. That mean object in the sky called sun is
responsible for all previous record breaking global warmings.


Global warming denier?

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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:08 PM
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9. Global warming confirmer.....by sun's cycles!
Edited on Tue Jun-15-10 11:15 PM by golfguru
Who caused formation of Great Lakes by melting several mile thick
glaciers sitting on top of Chicago area? It was that hot object in the
sky and its cycles.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:06 PM
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8. $5 a gallon is nothing. Wait until the amount of oil we produce and the world produces
starts to really decline. We will beg for $5 a gallon.
This is more then just climate change.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:11 PM
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10. There I agree...sooner or later oil will run out and so
Edited on Tue Jun-15-10 11:17 PM by golfguru
we better start developing alternate sources of energy. Adding tax on current oil &
other carbon based fuels will not solve anything, except hurt evey user
of cars, home heating, electricity cost, business costs to produce products etc.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:14 PM
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11. Please dont take this as a slam because I dont mean it that way...
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:20 PM
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12. Never, you are always fair and rational n/t
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:39 PM
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14. If it is called a Global Warming bill, it will go nowhere...
The PR for this legislation will have to focus on jobs. Pricing carbon is important but not something American's will likely go along with - it just can't be the focus of the bill. If the reason for doing this goes back to "global warming" instead of "protecting America's coastlines and marshes" it will never go anywhere. American's really don't care about global warming during such bad economic times.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 01:21 AM
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15. Subsidize Solar
This is more efficient and effective than a mere carbon tax. Take 1/3 the Pentagons budget and throw it into solar power development. Hell, let the Pentagon do the research. Yes, it would be inefficient and corrupt--but it would be an effective wedge in the oligarchy: oil vs. defense.

We need an Apollo project for renewable energy. Throw out $300 billion in grants to solar researchers and will kick our fossil fuel habit in 10 -15 years-- while destroying the oil plutocrats.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:29 AM
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16. +100 nt
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:39 AM
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17. Which WH aide. The person you quote does not work in the White House. The other one is
a senate Democratic leadership aide, and this was a few days ago.
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