Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

"Pundits Steal the Speech"

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » General Discussion: Presidency Donate to DU
 
impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:32 PM
Original message
"Pundits Steal the Speech"
Apparently, President Obama gave a speech last night. If only we could hear him over the televised roar of people talking about it.

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/06/16/pundits-like-that-are-the-only-people-here.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:36 PM
Response to Original message
1. From the article.....
Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 05:38 PM by FrenchieCat
There’s real value in offering people an informed analysis of major presidential addresses. But the way that the analysis gets delivered can be more or less corrosive to the relationship between the government and the governed. When pundits are so clear in their demands, so visceral in their disappointment, so numerous, and so verbose (the 18 minutes that Obama spent delivering his speech was a fraction of the time the cable channels devoted to talking about his speech), it weakens the communication between president and audience that defines theater, political or otherwise.

First the talking heads work themselves and their audience into a fit about what the president must do. A sort of collective narrative takes shape—with heroes and villains, successes and reversals—building as it goes. Thus Chris Matthews and Wolf Blitzer both referred to onscreen clocks counting down to the speech, like the Super Bowl kickoff. Suzanne Malveaux told CNN viewers, “He’s going to try to convey that he gets it.” John King caviled a little, saying that actions would matter more than words.”Without a doubt,” confirmed Anderson Cooper from a photogenic corner of the gulf. “What the president is going to do tonight is hold BP accountable,” added Gloria Borger.

By the time Obama appeared, CNN and MSNBC had done a thorough job of telling the audience how to judge what he said. (I imagine Fox did the same, but it’s so riddled with its own pathologies I didn’t check.)





Why does these pundits hate America? They are getting paid handsomely to contineously
divide us!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:41 PM
Response to Original message
2. Well..if it had to be, I am glad it was the pundits who were pissed..and that the people liked the
speech..and not the other way around.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:46 PM
Response to Original message
3. That piece was written by the art and entertainment reporter, you know?
The former theater critic for New York Magazine? Did ya see that? A hard-boiled entertainment reporter at Newsweek for ten months now!




His name is Jeremy McCarter. Studied history at Harvard.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PopSixSquish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #3
7. And?
I've seen plenty of entertainment reporters and sports reporters who do a better job of covering their subjects and giving analysis than most of the political reporters around these days...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #3
8. Sad that it takes a relative "newbie" arts and entertainment reporter to call bullshit on the stupid
supposedly seasoned "talking heads" of punditocracy who have been marinating on Washington politics so long they have forgotten that *they* should not *be* the stories. They should cover them and provide useful context.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #8
11. An entertainment reporter is supremely qualified to critique cable news
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. Irony is...his critique contains more substance than their shallow theatrics.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. LOL, my thoughts exactly! n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #3
9. Cable news punditry = arts and entertainment.
It ain't science and news.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #3
16. Maybe all news and commentary should be delivered by entertainment reporters.
Example: Jon Stewart does a far better job that any of the jerks on cable.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:47 PM
Response to Original message
4. Fantastic, this is one of the quickest
Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 05:48 PM by Kind of Blue
push-backs I've ever seen regarding Obama. Hopefully they'll argue amongst themselves about the truly nasty analyzes. For the first time I've noticed, locally, pundits were referring to Tweety and KO as if they have the last word on the president. Disgusting. I think people really lost their minds during the Bush administration.

on edit: KnR
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:47 PM
Response to Original message
5. K/R
Great article. This has been a case study illustration in what's fucked up about the American political information environment.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:48 PM
Response to Original message
6. ...
:kick: n Rec.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:55 PM
Response to Original message
10. Thank you Jeremy McCarter!
He takes names and kicks ass.. Thank you, impik~


"There’s real value in offering people an informed analysis of major presidential addresses. But the way that the analysis gets delivered can be more or less corrosive to the relationship between the government and the governed. When pundits are so clear in their demands, so visceral in their disappointment, so numerous, and so verbose (the 18 minutes that Obama spent delivering his speech was a fraction of the time the cable channels devoted to talking about his speech), it weakens the communication between president and audience that defines theater, political or otherwise.

First the talking heads work themselves and their audience into a fit about what the president must do. A sort of collective narrative takes shape—with heroes and villains, successes and reversals—building as it goes. Thus Chris Matthews and Wolf Blitzer both referred to onscreen clocks counting down to the speech, like the Super Bowl kickoff. Suzanne Malveaux told CNN viewers, “He’s going to try to convey that he gets it.” John King caviled a little, saying that actions would matter more than words.”Without a doubt,” confirmed Anderson Cooper from a photogenic corner of the gulf. “What the president is going to do tonight is hold BP accountable,” added Gloria Borger.

By the time Obama appeared, CNN and MSNBC had done a thorough job of telling the audience how to judge what he said. (I imagine Fox did the same, but it’s so riddled with its own pathologies I didn’t check.) Did the president “get it”? Well, he studded the speech with the language of war, referring to his “battle plan” and describing the spill as “a siege.” Was BP “held accountable”? He failed to use the head of a BP executive as a paperweight, but he did say in plain terms that the company “will pay for the impact this spill has had on the region.” Characteristically, he seemed most engaged not during the backward-looking stuff about assigning blame, but the forward-looking stuff: offering a big-picture look at a clean-energy initiative. “We cannot consign our children to this future,” he said, neatly evoking a kind of inverted Mad Max scenario, with oil spills everywhere.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 02:06 AM
Response to Reply #10
18. you might not be so happy about his previous story
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:09 PM
Response to Original message
13. Which is exactly why I don't spend time watching the yammering heads
...and that includes KO and Chris Matthews.

I watch ONLY the speeches and cut off all the blather afterward. I don't need them to tell me what I missed or what he was trying to say.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:21 PM
Response to Original message
15. Did anyone else notice this?


:rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:08 PM
Response to Original message
17. Fortunately, today Obama responded by saying....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 02nd 2024, 06:49 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » General Discussion: Presidency Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC