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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 07:40 AM Original message |
Define "progressive." |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 07:42 AM Response to Original message |
1. The universal definition seems to be |
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Demit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 07:47 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Amazing. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 07:51 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. This appears to be a serious answer by DU standards - and accurate |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 11:08 AM Response to Reply #4 |
115. Interesting you should say what you did. |
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Demit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 12:03 PM Response to Reply #115 |
144. Not hypocritical at all. |
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billh58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 06:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
184. The label "Progressive" |
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LaurenG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
2. Dennis Kucinich is progressive |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 07:52 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. However, is he the only progressive - does it have to be a clone of Dennis? |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 07:59 AM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Here's a list of the members of the Progressive Caucus in Congress: |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:28 AM Response to Reply #18 |
40. Knowing whether or not Politicians will be joining this caucus if |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:37 AM Response to Reply #40 |
45. It boggles the mind that people thing "Progressive Democrats" is an undefined term. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:45 AM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Hmmm... 79 thwarted by 55........ NT |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 09:17 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. 59 "New Dems" PLUS 54 Blue Dogs... |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #56 |
175. +1 |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 09:28 AM Response to Reply #18 |
63. How are 80 members a majority? |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 09:30 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. I should have said largest. n/t |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:15 AM Response to Reply #18 |
81. I think Anthony Weiner also belongs here... |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:20 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. That's a good addition, and a good question. |
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LaurenG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:04 AM Response to Reply #8 |
22. Oh no, I just put down the first person who came to mind. |
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Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
3. People who think message control is bs. nt |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 09:36 AM Response to Reply #3 |
67. +1 n/t |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 12:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
148. +10 |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 07:49 AM Response to Original message |
5. Anti-War/MIC, Pro-middle class, Pro-infrastructure, pro-human rights, pro-choice |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 07:53 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. All war? Is there ever a time to defend oneself or act to protect others |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 07:58 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Don't be a smart ass. Self defense (true self defense) is always justifiable. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:14 AM Response to Reply #5 |
31. Considering many consider Communism the extreme end of the liberal spectrum |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:39 AM Response to Reply #31 |
46. Take back that flag you champion of liberalism! |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:41 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. That doesn't answer my question, unfortunately |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:43 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Because your question is a deliberate misinterpretation... |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 09:09 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Anti-war is a pretty clear statement that doesn't allow for misinterpretation |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 09:38 AM Response to Reply #54 |
68. Sure it is... Sure it is... Any you would never "misinterpret" deliberately! |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 09:49 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. It sounds like you are at a loss for better wording |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 09:52 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. No... Not really. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. "we"? I am pretty sure your are a single person posting |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 09:55 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Just post another "taking it back" OP! You'll see the "we"! |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 11:16 AM Response to Reply #74 |
117. lol. |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 11:20 AM Response to Reply #117 |
120. I need to find that Wondershowzen clip. "Taking it back". |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:58 AM Response to Reply #31 |
53. Uhm |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #31 |
133. I thought this thread was about progressivism, |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #133 |
153. They have been effectively "attached" by "Framing" constructs |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:13 AM Response to Reply #5 |
79. Wrong. Progressivism is not defined by ideological stances. |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #79 |
109. Quite right. My mistake. One of those progressivism versus liberalism overlaps. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:55 AM Response to Reply #109 |
111. There are liberals who are progressive and then there are just liberals. |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #79 |
126. Progressives are anti-Machievelli while at the same time supra-populist...... |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 11:35 AM Response to Reply #79 |
130. I agree. It is more about direction than the ultimate end. |
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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 07:51 AM Response to Original message |
6. unintentional duplicate |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
9. This works for me: |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 07:53 AM Response to Original message |
10. That which tends to improve the human condition. nt |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 07:53 AM Response to Original message |
11. No hard and fast definition |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 07:54 AM Response to Original message |
13. Progressives proactively drive processes forward toward real solutions, rather than ideology |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 07:59 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. In short, Progressives are problem solvers first and ideological second. |
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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 07:55 AM Response to Original message |
14. did you ever notice when your on the highway.... |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:00 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. No, I never noticed that. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:01 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. BTW, it's "you're". |
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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:04 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. the grammar police are an annoying bunch |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:09 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. If you don't understand the logic of the language, what else don't you understand and why, therefore |
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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:11 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. you seem angry |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:14 AM Response to Reply #28 |
32. classic diversion, very typical of a certain regressive group & No, I don't think you are capable. |
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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:19 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. good luck with all of that |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:24 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Try responding to the issues raised next time and maybe then you won't get insults, from me anyway. |
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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:26 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. you should take your own advice |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:28 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. I will if you will. |
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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:31 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. the irony is we are on the same side |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:42 AM Response to Reply #42 |
49. It's called reality testing and "we" can't live without it. Competence IS essential. Blowing off |
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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:09 AM Response to Reply #49 |
76. I am certain I am not "progressive" enough |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #76 |
142. It demonstrates that you are not understand what a progressive is |
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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #142 |
145. you and I each get to define it for ourselves. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:11 AM Response to Reply #21 |
30. SP, is that you? |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #14 |
173. So we're a bunch of paranoid stoned drivers? |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 07:58 AM Response to Original message |
16. Progressives are people that share a set of values |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:06 AM Response to Reply #16 |
23. Well said.... |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:11 AM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Thank you |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 09:24 AM Response to Reply #29 |
60. No problem..... |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #16 |
122. "I think the bigger variation lies not in the values.. but rather the means to achieve the ends " |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 12:26 PM Response to Reply #122 |
159. That's a challenging question |
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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
24. I've got it |
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VMI Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
25. I know that a guy that believes marriage is the holy union of a man and a woman only is not one. |
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lillypaddle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:10 AM Response to Original message |
27. It's the same way |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
34. I call myself a progressive on DU and in polls as shorthand |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
36. Dennis Kucinich and Alan Grayson. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
38. Progressive: |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:32 AM Response to Reply #38 |
44. +1 |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 11:34 AM Response to Reply #38 |
129. Definitely here at DU +100 observation |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:30 AM Response to Original message |
41. It's sorta like how Free Republic defines "Conservative" |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #41 |
138. This understanding is not accurate |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:31 AM Response to Original message |
43. It's the new Liberal since the GOP has demonized the |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:39 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. that was true for a while |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 08:43 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. What politician claims Liberal other than maybe Kucinich |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 09:19 AM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Politicians are still cowards |
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lamp_shade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
55. Good question. There are many here at DU who claim to be "progressive" and yet |
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muffin1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 09:18 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Wow. Just wow. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 09:20 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. yep |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 09:25 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. I meant to say 'seething' |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
62. Far left. n/t |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
65. ... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
66. Define dingbat. See how that works? n/t |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
69. How do you define it, Robb? |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:11 AM Response to Reply #69 |
78. I have to disagree with your claim that words can simply be defined |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Well, there are actual political definitions for "progressive," though. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:29 AM Response to Reply #78 |
86. The only folks who debate those terms are conservatives. |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:33 AM Response to Reply #86 |
88. There appear to be, by your definition, a lot of conservatives upthread. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:35 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. People who debate the definition of torture are progressive? |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:37 AM Response to Reply #89 |
91. That's not what that said, and you know it. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:40 AM Response to Reply #91 |
96. It's a logical implication. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:43 AM Response to Reply #96 |
98. I have repeatedly and effectively pointed out the errors in your interpretations and assumptions |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:45 AM Response to Reply #98 |
103. And you called into question the clarity of the definition. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:47 AM Response to Reply #103 |
107. Yes I called in the clarity. If torture had a clear definition, there never would have been a |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #107 |
110. Ah, I see. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 11:20 AM Response to Reply #107 |
119. Wow! You accept the bush frame that the definition of torture is debatable! |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 11:54 AM Response to Reply #119 |
139. Should I just give you my user name and password? |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 12:07 PM Response to Reply #139 |
147. No, you've said it yourself half a dozen times in this thread. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 06:08 PM Response to Reply #119 |
182. Deleted message |
Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:44 AM Response to Reply #96 |
102. Therefore the only people who debate the meaning of "progressive" are conservatives? |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #102 |
105. "Torture" dear. n/t |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #105 |
112. OK, honey. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:37 AM Response to Reply #89 |
93. As a matter of fact progressives have been heavily involved in the torture debate |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:43 AM Response to Reply #93 |
99. That's obviously not debating the definition. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:44 AM Response to Reply #99 |
101. debating the definition is not debating the definition? |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:49 AM Response to Reply #101 |
108. They were not debating the definition, as I already said. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 11:29 AM Response to Reply #93 |
125. What is your definition of torture? |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:37 AM Response to Reply #89 |
94. November '08 |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:36 AM Response to Reply #86 |
90. You know it's been my experience in life that painting people with labels doesn't |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:37 AM Response to Reply #90 |
92. In my experience, people who are unclear on what constitutes torture are not progressive. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:39 AM Response to Reply #92 |
95. Engaging in the national debate as to what is torture is a moral responsiblity |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:41 AM Response to Reply #95 |
97. Defending the clear, already present definition of torture is a moral imperative. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:59 AM Response to Reply #97 |
113. If there was a present and fully accepted definition there would have been nothing to defend |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 11:31 AM Response to Reply #113 |
127. Torture is universally understood as well, except to those |
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Demit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 11:34 AM Response to Reply #113 |
128. I think the debate centered around "When we do it, it's not torture" and "Oh yes it is." |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #113 |
162. Did the bush administration torture? |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 11:18 AM Response to Reply #78 |
118. The definition of torture is only debated by those that torture. It is |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #118 |
123. Not true. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 11:28 AM Response to Reply #123 |
124. I don't see the distinction. |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 11:41 AM Response to Reply #124 |
134. It's big enough to drive a truck through. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 11:47 AM Response to Reply #134 |
136. I see where we are diverting. |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #136 |
154. Any application must rest on a definition. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 11:56 AM Response to Reply #123 |
140. "Distinction", it's something that often overlooked. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #118 |
141. That's not true, it's debate by those that wish to stop torture just as much |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 12:01 PM Response to Reply #141 |
143. Those who wish to stop it, are trying to enforce the definition. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #143 |
146. Would you say the accepted definition of torture has changed any in the past 100 years? |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 12:10 PM Response to Reply #146 |
150. Torture always has and always will be torture. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #150 |
155. You didn't answer my question. That would be because the idea of what is and isn't torture |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #155 |
157. Do you believe we tortured in Gitmo and elsewhere under bush? |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #146 |
160. It doesn't change: |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #160 |
165. The problem with your definition is that "excruciating pain" and "sheer cruelty" are both subjective |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #165 |
166. Do you believe the bush administration tortured? |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #166 |
167. Yes I do |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 11:49 AM Response to Reply #78 |
137. The words you mention are shifting because they are being manipulated |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 12:10 PM Response to Reply #137 |
151. I agree there is deliberate manipulation involved. However one can only manipulate terms |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #137 |
169. Great post. This is important to remember... |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
72. Allow me to define 'coward' |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:01 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. God forbid we have a rational discussion without you resorting to this kind of thing. nt |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #75 |
152. Where are your similar replies to the disruptors from the other camp? n/t |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #152 |
156. "Other camp?" |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 12:25 PM Response to Reply #156 |
158. Apparently not in your view. |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #158 |
161. Nor yours either. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
77. Progressive simply means that you favor perpetual reform. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
80. Deleted message |
havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
84. My basic definition: expanding rights, not pruning them |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
85. here's a link to the progressive caucus |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
87. I see it as a term which came into use after the word 'liberal' had been demonized beyond rehab |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #87 |
131. We should "take back" the language |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #131 |
170. Which is one of my reasons for... |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
100. "Me." n/t |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
104. and a link to PDA |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
106. A progressive is a liberal |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
114. the progressive promise from PDA |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #114 |
132. That is pretty much how I defined it downthread. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 11:47 AM Response to Reply #132 |
135. you're welcome -- PDA is one of my favs. nt |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
116. Well for me.. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
121. Working for expansion of rights for all. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
149. . |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
163. This is a good thread and good... |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #163 |
164. You raise and interesting and certainly valid point |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #164 |
168. Yes, it does. And I apologize about the typos... |
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Chisox08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
171. To me this is what a "progressive" sounds like |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
172. In the broadest sense: People who think that the government generally should regulate the economy |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
174. A leftist without the decency and courage to call him/herself a leftist |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #174 |
176. Which members of the Progressive Caucus are you referring to? |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 05:30 PM Response to Reply #176 |
177. Anybody who calls him or herself a "progressive" |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 05:43 PM Response to Reply #177 |
178. All of these people are cowards? |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 05:52 PM Response to Reply #178 |
180. Politically, yes |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
179. Someone who supports actively moving their issues the direction they want to go. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
181. It should be defined loosely enough to include the entire membership. |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
183. It isn't the definition that's the problem. It's the application. |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-10 09:59 PM Response to Reply #183 |
185. You wandered off a bit there at the end, but the first few paragraphs were excellent. |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-10 04:54 AM Response to Reply #185 |
186. Exactly. Then apply that on a macro level. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-10 07:38 AM Response to Reply #186 |
187. That was well written and well thought out. |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-10 08:35 AM Response to Reply #186 |
188. Sensible enough. But think about my weak little recycling analogy |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-10 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
189. Opposing explotation by the Investor Class Parasites. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-10 05:18 AM Response to Original message |
190. Define why you and most on this board think being "progressive" is always correct.. |
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