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BrentWil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 12:25 PM
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McChrystal Out; Petraeus In
Edited on Wed Jun-23-10 12:37 PM by BrentWil
Politically a good move.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/06/23/mcchrystal-out-petraeus-in/


McChrystal Out; Petraeus In

President Barack Obama decided to relieve Gen. Stanley McChrystal of his duties as the top commander in Afghanistan, replacing him with Gen. David Petraeus, White House officials said.

Obama had a half-hour private session with McChrystal, whom he summoned from Kabul, to answer personally for comments he and aides made to Rolling Stone magazine, disparaging the president, vice president and his national security team.

The president will announce the decision in the Rose Garden shortly. Petraeus, the head of the military’s Central Command and the architect of the surge of forces into Iraq in 2007, will take over immediately as the commanding general in Afghanistan, administration officials said/div]
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LeftyAndProud60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 12:26 PM
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1. We're never leaving. NT
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 12:27 PM
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2. No, we're leaving in 2011.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 01:16 PM
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20. Nope.
We are placing mercenaries there instead. We are still there. We are paying for it, condoning it, and all this is done under the sponsorship of the USA.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 01:32 PM
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21. So what is time travel like?
Does it hurt?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 01:52 PM
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23. That is not at all true.
We will start to bring back some of the surged troops. That is not the same as leaving or an end date or a rate of withdrawal.

No end date means no end in sight.
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 12:28 PM
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4. As evidenced today, Generals don't run things, Presidents do.
It doesn't matter the General, so I'm confused by your statement.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 12:28 PM
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5. That's what McCrystal had decided....
now he's gone.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 12:55 PM
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16. Why is it the first expression I have is to laugh.
Petreaus adamant to the exit timeline. He's already started drawing down troops in Iraq and he is determined to stick to it in Afghanistan. You need to watch Petraeus' interview on C-SPAN.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 12:28 PM
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3. oh brother, is not a better replacement either.
too bad Wes Clarke would be on the seen.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 12:28 PM
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6. No. Not BetrayUs [Face Palm]
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 12:29 PM
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7. Not true. I don't like any of them, but he's good at this job
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Mathilda Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 01:40 PM
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22. Did you suggest Petraeus as a good pick before Obama picked him?
Or did it just dawn to you that he's a good pick?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 12:31 PM
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8. Wes Clark is no longer serving.......
He's been out of uniform since 2000!
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 12:50 PM
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13. can't he come back???? just imagining
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 12:34 PM
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9. Launch the early critiques!!!
Oh my mistake... I see it's already started.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 12:49 PM
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12. more like, launch the early APOLOGISTS. It wasn't long ago
Edited on Wed Jun-23-10 12:50 PM by jonnyblitz
Betray-us was REVILED here at DU by EVERYONE. The apologists are the ones looking BIZARRE and hypocritical on this one.
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BrentWil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 12:52 PM
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14. Reviled or not... We are leaving Iraq now and doing so with the country not in absolute chaos
It is hard to argue with relative success out of a major disaster.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 01:14 PM
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18. Yup, and Petreaus said as much at the committee meeting.
Actually he assured the Republican committee meetings we would.
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 02:12 PM
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35. DU piled on the guy simply because of the nature of his job and we were WRONG.
Petrayus didn't betray anyone and there is barely a DUer here fit to hold up his jock now after he illustrated that he indeed had what it took to get Iraq under some sort of reasonable control and help us get to a foreseeable "out".

Just admit that you hate him because he is military. That has to be the reason. I see no other ones for your vile, filthy attacks against his service.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 06:37 PM
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49. DUers were not wrong. And, Gen. Patreaus lies of been thoroughly
cataloged by Media Matters, Juan Cole, MoveOn.org and others.

The surge did not work. The reduction of violence was due to, to name 2, ethnic cleansing and massive exodus form Iraq.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 06:46 PM
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53. Not to mention paying off the insurgents with footballs of shrinkwrapped $100 bills.
Its all too sick. :puke:
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 06:43 PM
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52. The critiques have been loudly broadcast for 3 + years.
Edited on Wed Jun-23-10 06:43 PM by Luminous Animal
How can they be early? What has changed?
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 12:38 PM
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10. Good.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 12:48 PM
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11. This reminds me of a McCain gem from 2008:
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/04/military_mccain_petraeus_041408w/

"McCain reveals confusion over Petraeus role"
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Smashcut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 12:53 PM
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15. Another Bush-era retread. Can we get some new blood to run things?
Why is that so hard to do? With things going as poorly as they are over there, why is it seen as "risky" to give the reigns to someone new? :banghead:
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kjackson227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 12:58 PM
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17. Upsetting the strategy is not good for the troops. Unfortunately,
Edited on Wed Jun-23-10 01:00 PM by kjackson227
too many new faces can upset the mission, or break momentum.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 01:52 PM
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24. There are many better choices.
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kjackson227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 01:57 PM
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27. Well, of course you know better than the president and his military advisers ...
:eyes:
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 02:00 PM
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30. Fuck Betrayus and any of his apologists.
War without end. Yay!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 02:06 PM
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 06:38 PM
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50. +1
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 02:01 PM
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31. Are you shitting me?
Do you know what's not good for the troops? Glory wars. Resource wars. Imperialism. Dicking around with politics while they die.

In other words, the STRATEGY you're worried about upsetting isn't good for the troops.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 02:15 PM
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 02:58 PM
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37. The soldiers don't care about our discipline.
We need to get out of the war, not find excuses to escalate it.
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kjackson227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 03:05 PM
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38. I'm sure the soldiers appreciate discipline. The military can't function...
Edited on Wed Jun-23-10 03:14 PM by kjackson227
w/o discipline, or there would be all out chaos. Like it or not, we're at war, and trying to keep the morale up, and the soldiers focused will help alleviate a loss of life. You know this, but you don't care. Your constant mantra of "END THE WAR" isn't helping ANYONE AT ALL, because the wars are not ending yesterday.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 03:07 PM
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39. "Sounds like you're anti-troops to me."
I was wondering when someone would play that O'Reilly-like card.
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kjackson227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 03:22 PM
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42. whatever...
And, your mantra of calling someone "O'Reilly-like" is par for the course when someone disagrees with you.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 03:26 PM
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43. If the shoe fits....
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kjackson227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 03:33 PM
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45. then I'm glad to wear it.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 03:08 PM
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40. Sounds like you are putting words in my mouth.
The troops want us to ask questions. They can't ask and say what we can. They depend on us to keep our leaders moving in the right direction.

The depend on discipline, but I doubt they care at all about ours. I know and am related to many people how have served during these wars.
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kjackson227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 03:30 PM
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44. The depend on discipline, but I doubt they care at all about ours.
You doubt they care about our discipline??? Not sure what you mean? But, then again, you're probably not sure what you mean either. Sitting all day constantly declaring "END THE WAR" on DU isn't helping to "END THE WAR", nor does it help the troops. But, go ahead and knock yourself out.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 03:33 PM
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46. END THE WAR!
The troops depend on discipline in the military. The military couldn't function without it. You with me?

The troops do not care if we (civilians) are disciplined. It has no bearing on them doing their job. In fact, they depend on our not being constrained to message or thought discipline. Still with me?

The troops depend on us to ask the questions that their discipline prevents them from asking. Namely, why are we still fighting a lost war?

END THE WAR!
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 01:14 PM
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19. Most military men are Bush-era retread. Do you have better? n/t
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Smashcut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 02:05 PM
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32. They're not all Bush-era retreads in the sense that they were directly connected
with Bush-era military failures like pre-emptive war in Iraq...
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 03:12 PM
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41. Give me high dogs withthe eperience, or near experience for this sort of job.
Edited on Wed Jun-23-10 03:13 PM by vaberella
And who can maintain the confidence of our ground troops. I dislike the guy, but we really don't have better.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 01:55 PM
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26. I believe Patreaus is ...
temporary until they get someone else up to speed..
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VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 01:53 PM
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25. Is this guy no longer Betrayus?
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 01:58 PM
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28. That's what I was thinking
people are forgetting all the crap he did...he is no good guy....
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VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 02:00 PM
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29. No...this is now some brilliant chess move.
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Smashcut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 02:06 PM
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33. No he's now part of the "team" - all has been forgiven
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 03:34 PM
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47. It was stupid back then
and still is. MoveOn was wrong.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 06:40 PM
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51. Nope. MoveOn was right.
His lies have been well documented.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 06:32 PM
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48. How is general Betrayus better than McChrystal?
I have read articles saying Betrayus will be a GOP candidate against Obama in 2012.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 07:13 PM
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54. that would be curious
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