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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:07 PM Original message |
The Feingold Fallacy. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. Very, very interesting |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
2. I just hope the Dems force super-majorities on EVERY piece |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
3. I Like Feingold But He's Dead Wrong On This |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
4. Russ Feingold voted against repealing Glass-Steagall. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. So did 43 other Democrats. He voted against the conference report, but so did Boxer and Dorgan, and |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
5. the worms turn into vicious killers lol nt |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
6. Thank You Very Much! |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
8. Pretending that this bill structurally changes the equation |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Pretending that it doesn't |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:30 PM Response to Reply #10 |
41. The guys you linked to all talk about the importance of Glass Steagall |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
9. Yet if Dennis Kucinich were able to obstruct such a bill he did not believe in, |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. DK also wound up voting for HCR because he saw |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:37 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Kucinich could not prevent... |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:49 PM Response to Reply #15 |
43. Makes me wonder who Russ is really representing with this obstruction. |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 06:05 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Why do you and "It's Okay If You're A Liberal" want to cast doubts on... |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
11. Russ keeps digging... |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
12. maybe he should be placated the way a blue dog |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Amen. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. When the majority of the Democratic caucus agrees, including Bernie Sanders, and |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Deleted message |
ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:47 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Where would you get the two additional votes to convert 58 to 60? |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:53 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. You're talking about three votes when you say "at least." |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Where would you get them: three votes? n/t |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Apparently not from the same place you'd get them. Or at least one of them. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. If Feingold was "placated" they would lose about 10 votes.. |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:56 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. And those 10 would lose their seats, given today's environment. |
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IOKIYAL (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. EXACTLY!!! People don't think about that. |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:06 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. If someone with the handle "It's Okay If You're A Liberal"... |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:10 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. So you think they would gain votes by placating Feingold?? |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. No, but I don't think they'd lose them. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
17. Totally agree with this.. Russ needs to back off the filibuster and then vote no.. |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 06:08 PM Response to Reply #17 |
47. That's probably what he'll end up doing. Meanwhile, look at all the discussion... |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
18. this financial "reform" bill would be worse than doing nothing. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. How are more regulations and a Consumer Banking Agency doing nothing? |
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Raine1967 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:51 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. This is the same thing I heard time and time again during HCR. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. He doesn't even have to vote for it...... |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #24 |
38. "It seems?" So you don't even know? You're basing your opinion on a feeling? |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 09:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
56. So far, every "reform" in the last 20 years has been worse than nothing. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
23. Did you have a problem with the filibuster when the GOP controlled the Senate? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:56 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Feingold in using it against the majority of his own party |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. The filibuster is always used against the majority. That's the point of it. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:54 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. It's good you have heroes...... |
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elfin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
28. From Wisconsin here -- like Russ a lot -- BUT |
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IOKIYAL (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
31. Hey Feingold!!! W/o your vote the bill gets more Wall Street friendly |
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IOKIYAL (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
34. Feingold must be short on campaign cash or volunteers |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
35. He has EVERY RIGHT TO OBSTRUCT IT |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
36. If anyone wants to know what would be won, lost, and compromised on, |
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great white snark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:32 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. Thank you babylonsister. |
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SunsetDreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 07:29 PM Response to Reply #36 |
49. wow thanks sister! |
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catgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
48. This is right on n/t |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
50. Apparantly, the right to "obstruct" is limited to the right wing Dems |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 08:17 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. If the shoe were on the other foot I suspect your attitude would be a bit different.. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 08:46 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. That would depend on the bill and the reasoning |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 08:52 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Here we go again... The legendary "moderate" is a mythical beast. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. I agree with this article,.. most people are a mix of liberal and conserative values... |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 12:01 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. And NO Rape-Publicans are willing to negotiate with anyone. So the Dems who sell out... |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 05:02 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. There are a few willing but negotiations are also needed to keep the conservatve Dems on board.. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
55. Not "far from the progressive ideal" so much as far from effective. n/t |
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