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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:46 PM Original message |
You want to know what started the me first attitude in America? |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. Giant army barracks did? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
2. Clearly it stems from a desire to establish one's self as a special person |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
3. Did X precede Y, or did Y precede X? nt |
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geckosfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
4. ? |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
5. O'Bama? |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:56 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Yes |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
6. Yes, I do. Pray tell. nt |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:58 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. I think the image tells enough (that is if it's working). |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 06:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Oh, I thought the pic was your signature pic. nt |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 07:24 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. No...sorry. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 06:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. a good highway system is isolating? |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 07:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. A good highway system is not isolating... |
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timo (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 08:49 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. ??? |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 09:25 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Extreme much? |
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timo (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 09:32 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. yawn |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 09:42 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Who's talking world issues? |
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timo (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 09:58 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. ghettos are not good either |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 10:03 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. I never said cities were perfect... |
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timo (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 10:11 PM Original message |
in an emergency |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
46. Like that never happens in suburban America, right? |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
60. Yeah, and far-flung suburbia will be a virtual utopia when the oil starts to run out. |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
66. It would help if the two of you would pay attention to each other. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 08:49 AM Response to Reply #38 |
62. There is a good reason everyone is pounding you - you are just making things up |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #62 |
86. People should be allowed to live where they want... |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 07:54 AM Response to Reply #86 |
94. What is good about sprawl? A lot. |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 05:53 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. You just proved my point... |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 08:49 AM Response to Reply #30 |
61. People spread out when there are a lot of us. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 11:15 AM Response to Reply #30 |
78. Those people don't look isolated. Far from it. |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 10:41 PM Response to Reply #27 |
51. your question is extreme but yes... |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 12:16 AM Response to Reply #24 |
59. Point proven, Irish... |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 09:09 AM Response to Reply #11 |
64. The tenaments and slums were already rottiing. |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #64 |
88. Actually, no. |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-04-10 07:31 AM Response to Reply #88 |
101. Well, it didn't just happen. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 11:26 AM Response to Reply #11 |
79. Not "everyone" took off for the suburbs. |
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Dr Morbius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
8. The suburb? |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:58 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Not at the extent of American suburbia... |
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Bill219 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
9. My wife blames it on certain TV shows |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 07:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. And another....Family Ties. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 10:11 PM Response to Reply #18 |
43. That's so true. Don't you think Tucker Carlson pretends to be like MJ Fox's character. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #18 |
81. My impression was that being a lil Nixonite was portrayed as a huge character flaw |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 10:09 PM Response to Reply #9 |
42. How about the Beverly Hill Billies or Leave It To Beaver? |
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rufus dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 11:53 PM Response to Reply #9 |
57. I actually saw a special following your wife's logic |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
10. Black and white aerial photography? |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
13. Houses? |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #13 |
85. Don't fret. |
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Maccagirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
14. I've been told all my life that that photo symbolized |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
16. It was something about a snake.... |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
21. And of course, this sums it up perfectly... |
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catnhatnh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
22. So the problem began with decent housing for returning GIs? |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 08:37 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Yes, that and the 'me first' ways of those who refused to be |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 09:36 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Right. |
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catnhatnh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 10:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
40. See-that there shit is called "bait and switch"... |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 10:28 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. It's not a bait and switch at all... |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 08:34 PM Response to Reply #45 |
93. That air pollution in the top pic is one example of why people left the cities. |
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timo (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 10:33 PM Response to Reply #28 |
47. do you really think |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 10:42 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Yeah...because all the money goes there... |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 11:00 AM Response to Reply #28 |
77. I understand your point but in a country where there is unlimited cheap land |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 09:29 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. The problem began when we decided to mass-support sprawl. |
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timo (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 09:38 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. or |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 09:44 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Your point would have merit if city living was a mid-20th Century development... |
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timo (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 09:49 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. whatever |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 09:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Yup... |
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volvoblue (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
35. I would have posted a pic of Atlas Shrugged |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
36. And the overextension of a highway system and the use of cars rather than expanding public |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 10:06 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. I'm glad you get where I'm going... |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 10:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. ahhh yeah, so then we become inherently married to oil. Interesting. |
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DebJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 10:01 PM Response to Original message |
37. the idealization of capitalism |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
41. The creation of the Stepford mom suburbs?! n/t |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
48. Here's another interesting point about suburban living... |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 10:55 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. We are on the same page |
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marlakay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
49. Dr Spock |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
50. Michael Moore on suburban paranoia. |
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catnhatnh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
53. Y'all know what you haven't addressed... |
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catnhatnh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 11:08 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Also you fail to address |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 11:19 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. You do have a point about pricing... |
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catnhatnh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 11:59 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. We're gettin ' closer...but no warm, friendly showers yet... |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 09:28 AM Response to Reply #58 |
67. So did you like the suburbs? |
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Raine1967 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
63. Levittown |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
65. You Are Dead On 100% Correct |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 09:47 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. So everyone should live in the city? |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 09:50 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. People Should Live In Spaces Designed for Human Beings Not Cars |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 10:30 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. So that means rural America is out |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 10:37 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Rural America Is Designed for Agriculture |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 04:56 PM Response to Reply #68 |
90. It's not about living in the city... |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
70. Horse-hockey. |
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Raine1967 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 10:57 AM Response to Reply #70 |
76. I've lived in all three. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. Disagree. |
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CBR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 06:53 PM Response to Reply #76 |
92. I have lived in small rural towns, suburbs and city apartments and |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #70 |
89. This isn't an anti-suburban post. It's an anti-sprawl post. |
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DatManFromNawlins (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
72. Yeah, because obviously the suburbs are what created urban ghettos |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
74. James Madison. (n/t) |
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progdog (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
75. Television commercials started it. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
80. Good Post. |
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era veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
82. Clinton? |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
84. The suburbs are doomed anyway. |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
87. DI, that is one hell of a post. You have made everyone think. |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
91. WWII vets returned to a country praising them as gods |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
95. Suburbs are fucking evil and anti-social abominations. |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
97. I am 44 and I noticed it in the 80's with the Reagan era! |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
98. I already know, thankyou. Suburban sprawl bna, |
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butterfly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
99. K&R |
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MgtPA (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-02-10 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
100. Levittown!! (right down the street from me) |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-04-10 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
102. The Phrase "Me First Generation" |
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KeyWester (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-04-10 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
103. I started a thread on this very issue.. |
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amb123 (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-04-10 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
104. Little Houses (Malvina Reynolds) |
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105. Hm... doesn't look like the reservation... oh, right. But... |
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