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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 09:45 PM
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EXCLUSIVE: Records Show Military Surveyed Troops In 1940s, Prior To Racially Integrating The Forces
EXCLUSIVE: Records Show Military Surveyed Troops In 1940s, Prior To Racially Integrating The Forces

Earlier this month, as part of the year-long Defense Department review of the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy, the Pentagon distributed surveys to some 400,000 servicemembers to gauge their reaction to repealing the policy. While LGBT groups have characterized the questionnaire — which asks the troops to speculate on the sexuality of fellow servicemembers — as “derogatory and insulting,” the Pentagon continues to insist that they need to know what the troops are thinking in order to properly repeal the ban. “How do we identify beforehand the problems, the issues, and the challenges that we’re going to face? The kind of training requirements we’re going to need, the kinds of changes in regulations, the impact on benefits — all of these things need to be addressed in advance…. That’s where we want to hear from you all,” Defense Secretary Robert Gates told troops stationed in South Korea.

Yesterday, the Advocate’s Kerry Eleveld reported that this is not the first time the military had surveyed the troops. “Prior to President Truman’s 1948 executive order integrating the armed forces…our preliminary research shows that branches of the armed forces undertook a number of modestly sized surveys of the attitudes of enlisted and nonenlisted troops concerning racial issues, integration, and morale,” Eleveld quoted a Defense Department spokesperson as saying.

Today, I traveled to the National Archives and recovered some of the surveys the military conducted about the troops’ attitudes towards black people between 1942 and 1946. At the time, the military — along with the overwhelming majority of the country — opposed integrating black servicemembers into the forces and preferred a ’separate but equal’ approach that would have required the military to construct separate recreation spaces and facilities. One month before Truman’s order, a Gallup poll showed that 63% of American adults endorsed the separation of Blacks and Whites in the military; only 26% supported integration.

These surveys show that the same attitude pervaded the military: 3/4 Air Force men favored separate training schools, combat, and ground crews and 85% of white soldiers thought it was a good idea to have separate service clubs in army camps:

While smaller, these racial polls share some common questions with the DADT survey. In fact, in some instances one can even replace “negro” for “gay” and end up with today’s questionnaire. Both polls ask servicemembers if they objected to working alongside minorities, how they felt serving with minorities, how effective minorities are in combat and if their feelings have changed about the minority after serving with them. (Interestingly, 77% of respondents said they had more favorable opinion).

Truman integrated the forces despite the objections of the troops and it remains to be seen if the military is willing to do the same for Don’t Ask, Don’ Tell. So far, the Pentagon insists that it will. “It is abundantly clear to this working group that their marching orders from the Secretary of Defense are to determine how to implement a repeal of DADT,” Geoff Morrell, the Pentagon’s spokesperson insists. “Their job is not to determine whether or not the force wishes a repeal to take place or not to take place. Their job is to prepare for that inevitability.” (While the results of the DADT survey are obviously pending, past surveys of military veterans have found that an overwhelming majority say it’s “personally acceptable to them if gay and lesbian people were allowed to serve openly in the military.”)

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/07/20/old-surveys/
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 10:11 PM
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1. "If you were showering with an openly black man...."
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 10:17 PM
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2. Like the nature of the questions makes any difference. n/t
Edited on Tue Jul-20-10 10:17 PM by ProSense
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 10:35 PM
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4. "...you probably staggered into the wrong house last night after a few too many".
:-)
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 11:48 PM
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9. duzy
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 10:25 PM
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3. Thanks.
:thumbsup:
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 10:41 PM
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5. Is someone going to suggest segregating heteros and non-heteros?
I would love to see segregation by political affiliation in the service. Make it easier to send the whack jobs to do the dirty work or work like washing dishes, peeling potatoes, guard duty, etc.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 11:01 PM
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8. Arizona's basically trying to do something similar... go figure. n/t
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 11:50 PM
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10. it makes me laugh, the few anti-gay military letters I have read. All
these idiots think that gay soldiers will fancy them, they are so attractive. :)
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 04:20 PM
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12. Maybe that isn't what they are scared of.
They might find out they are attracted to them?
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 10:57 PM
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14. heh-heh-heh. that would be amusing. :)
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 10:44 PM
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6. They may have surveyed but they didn't integrate
until Hary Truman issued an executive order in july 1948.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 10:58 PM
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7. Truman had a spine and honor and principles
He was not some capitulation machine. He was the Commander, and he commanded. That was then, this is now.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 02:56 PM
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11. It's amazing was time will due to revise history
I have no doubt that if DU existed then that it would've been outraged at the notion of the survey. I suspect as with the current survery no one will remember it when all is said and done.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 04:22 PM
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13. THank you, Pirate Smile..
Edited on Wed Jul-21-10 04:23 PM by Cha
for some historical reference on these surveys.
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