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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 12:14 AM Original message |
Poll question: Vilsack acted without, with, at the insistence of the White House - Obama admin? |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
1. I think it went down like Vilsack said. I'm one of the ones who believes him. nt |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 12:27 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I don't see Pres Obama micromanaging this stuff and Vilsack's mea culpa seemed most sincere. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 05:48 AM Response to Reply #3 |
19. Exactly and actually very believable. Especially after he said, "Tens of Thousands" of complaints. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
2. I think it was on ugly tape, on its face |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 12:41 AM Response to Original message |
4. Premature ejaculation Vilsack just got excited about being on the big stage for the first time. |
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Bullet1987 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 12:46 AM Response to Original message |
5. If you take Vilsack for his word...he acted alone |
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SunsetDreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 12:54 AM Response to Original message |
6. You want a consensus on assumption or evidence? |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 01:03 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Just general thoughts on the question. nt |
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SunsetDreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 02:30 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Ok in that case, I will go with the known fact |
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Imperfect (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #11 |
70. How do you know it's a fact? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 02:28 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Speculation would be good...... |
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SunsetDreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 02:32 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Speculation and assumptions |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 01:23 AM Response to Original message |
8. No idea. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 01:48 AM Response to Original message |
9. It is ridiculous to believe Vilsak acted completely alone. The NAACP |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 05:52 AM Response to Reply #9 |
20. Are you kidding me? This shit was on FoxNews first. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #20 |
44. I am sorry but maybe because I know a bit about how the PR Crisis team in the WH works |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 03:12 AM Response to Original message |
13. Vilsack acted on his own, and WH probably had little knowledge of it at all. nt |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 05:17 AM Response to Original message |
14. While I don't think he acted at the insistence of the White House |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 05:59 AM Response to Reply #14 |
21. Actually you can. |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 06:29 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. I don't think you can pin this on Vilsack alone |
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SunsetDreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 06:33 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. You're right the NAACP, Faux News, and Breitbart |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 09:44 AM Response to Reply #24 |
40. Did the White House check it out before firing Ms. Sherrod? |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
54. The WH did NOT fire her. It was the DOA Secretary who did..this is known . n/t |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 06:35 AM Response to Reply #14 |
25. Yes: too big a P.R. issue for Vilsack to have acted unilaterally |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 05:29 AM Response to Original message |
15. Not saying that Obama had direct knowledge, but someone in the White House did, probably Rahm ...... |
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SunsetDreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 05:34 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Probably? |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 07:01 AM Response to Reply #16 |
26. It makes the most sense when you apply a little ......... |
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SunsetDreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 07:17 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. It's definitely not |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 07:36 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. No, Vilsack wouldn't make this move without approval. He knew he was going to draw ......... |
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SunsetDreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 07:51 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Keep believing that, if you really must |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 08:05 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. What facts? All we have is he said, he said, she said ........... |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 05:46 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. That's ridiculous. This is a low level employee---I don't see Rahm wasting his time with that. |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #18 |
72. Talk about snobbery. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 05:43 AM Response to Original message |
17. What are you talking about in your post? Vilsack clearly explained the problem, did you listen? |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
49. What is preposterous is for you not to realize that all of these people are politicians whose |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 06:01 AM Response to Original message |
22. Other: I don't know. |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 07:41 AM Response to Original message |
29. This was in full cooperation with the White House |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 07:46 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. +1 |
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SunsetDreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 07:54 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Yeah "Let's not blame the White House for it" |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 08:00 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. I believe Mrs. Sherrod |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 08:40 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Sherrod says the WH was involved |
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SunsetDreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 09:41 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. no Sherrod said someone told her that |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. There are a few people on this thread that want to go there |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Figures though. And considering the WH itself has issued an apology for some to insist they are not |
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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. She did NOT say that! |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #42 |
55. Yes she did. n/t |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #29 |
56. Did your Rice Krispies tell you that? Or was it your Lucky Charms? |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 11:38 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. No Shirley Sherrod told me |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 08:35 AM Response to Original message |
35. Other: I don't care. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
37. If he acted alone, then he should be fired for that. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
38. Other: irrelevant. Where does the buck stop? nt |
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BklnDem75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. The buck stops here |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Of course not. |
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BklnDem75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Strangely enough... |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. I'm probably |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
43. the White House, but not Obama himself n/t |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
45. VilSuck didn't like the fact that she was helping family farmers |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
51. I find an irony here... |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 07:43 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Maybe, but political speculation is part and parcel of GD:P, isn't it? |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 11:56 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. A couple of points on that... |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 08:38 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Allow me to address those. |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 09:05 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Thank you for your thoughtful response... |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 09:15 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. And same to you. I agree entirely. |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 09:33 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. I, too have enjoyed our discussion and also hope to do so again... |
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SunsetDreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 11:19 AM Response to Reply #51 |
59. Spot on Spazito |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
53. I think Jesus had her fired |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
58. Vilsuck needs to go because he acted in the interests of MonSatan |
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Arkansas Granny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
61. As the Secretary of Agriculture, appointed by President Obama, Vilsack represents |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 12:34 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. Barack Obama should do everything perfectly, always...... |
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Arkansas Granny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 07:22 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. I'm just saying that if Vilsack had done any investigation to find out the facts |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
69. of course you think it's that evil obama's fault. |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
71. I think Vilsak would've contacted the WH before he forced Shirley to resign. |
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