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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 06:26 PM
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Chamber of Commerce losing battles against Obama
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Chamber of Commerce losing battles against Obama

By Dan Eggen and Michael D. Shear
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, July 22, 2010


Over the past year, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce has spent nearly $3 million a week in opposition to President Obama's major agenda items, breaking all previous lobbying records and placing a political bet on the Republican Party.

But so far, it's not clear how well the gamble has paid off.

The Chamber's formidable lobbying prowess -- about $150 million spent since Obama took office -- did not stop passage of the administration's two signature achievements: the health-care overhaul and the Wall Street reform bill the president signed into law Wednesday. The nation's largest business group has lost battles over, among other things, student-loan legislation, credit-card reforms and a landmark measure that expands workers' rights to sue for equal pay.

The business lobby, which vows to spend $75 million or more on November's midterm election cycle, has also struggled to pick winners in this year's primaries. More than half a dozen Chamber-backed GOP candidates have gone down to defeat.


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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/21/AR2010072106086.html
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 06:44 PM
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1. LOL
Chamber of Hugh Loosers.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 06:49 PM
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2. I like the little violin.. just about right!
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 06:53 PM
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3. The Chamber is a right-wing extention of Faux News and must be destroyed
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 09:27 PM
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4. The Chamber wanted the public option terminated; Obama complied
Edited on Thu Jul-22-10 09:40 PM by brentspeak
The Chamber wanted generic drug imports from Canada not included in the bill; Obama complied.

The Chamber wanted card check legislation stopped; Obama didn't push for it.

The Chamber wanted proposed credit card usury wording in the credit card reform bill and other bills nixed; Obama didn't push for it.

The Chamber wanted any talk of NAFTA renegotiation nipped in the bud; Obama complied.

The Chamber wanted the financial reform bill watered-down; Obama buckled.

With as many battles as the Chamber of Commerce has supposedly "lost" to Obama, they seem to have won the war.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 09:32 PM
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5. Obama doesn't pass laws. Congress does. n/t
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 09:37 PM
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7. That wasn't Obama who personally hosted Billy Tauzin in the WH?
Edited on Thu Jul-22-10 09:41 PM by brentspeak
Was that some other Obama who http://www.slate.com/id/2224621">cut a deal with Big Pharma?
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 11:27 PM
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18. So you believe a pharma lobbyist and the New York Times?
Let's face it. The lobbyist claimed he had a "deal" to divide and conquer the left who wanted good HCR. Gullible, cynical progressives took the bait. You got played, sucker.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 11:47 PM
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21. It happened. Stop trying to mislead, and get over it
Edited on Thu Jul-22-10 11:48 PM by brentspeak
And change your avatar to something that's more suited to your agenda -- like a DLC motto or a photo of Evan Bayh.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 09:38 PM
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8. This is a very tiring excuse that is total bullshit ..........
Obama does play in role in passing legislation, he has to sign the bill to make it law, and a good president can also convince Congress to pass the laws that he wants. The President has the power of the bully-pulpit and when he speaks people listen.

Sadly, though, after pushing for his initial economic recovery bill he has been strangely quiet except for the occasional speech. If Obama had hit the trail on HCR like he did his economic recovery, we could of gotten more of what he promised. He gave one major speech to both parts of Congress, but failed to hit the talk show circuit like he did for his economic recovery.

He is more than willing to send his surrogates out, but the public at large doesn't pay much attention to them.
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rury Donating Member (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 09:45 PM
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10. That's a very tiring bullshit post, Exilednight
a good president cannot always convince stubborn, well-fed-by-lobbyists congrescritters to do what he wants, but this president has gotten 90% of what he wants even in this difficult environment.
And he DID hit the trail for HCR, you just failed to pay attention, or chose NOT to notice so that you would have an excuse for your inane anti-Obama posts.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 09:50 PM
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13. 90%? Let's take a look at HCR, where we didn't even get 50%
Canadian pharmaceuticals? No.
Public Option? No.
Address rising health-care costs? No.
No Mandate? No.
Insurance must cover pre-existing conditions? Yes.
No one refused? Yes, if they can afford it.

Those were the six big promises of HCR, only 1/3 of which were delivered upon.
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rury Donating Member (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 09:31 PM
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39. Cuss out Congress,
I'm not saying theat HCR is perfect but it's a good start considering our recalcitrant Congress.
I'm a grownup so I stopped expecting perfection a long time ago, and I damn sure won't let it be the enemy of the good.
But keep bitching if it makes you feel better!
Good night and good luck!
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 11:30 PM
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19. What planet are you on?
He was on every TV show that exists. He gave two major speeches to Congress about health care. He did dozens of town halls. There were articles accusing him of "overexposure" because he was out there too much.

You're repeating a popular talking point and it's total bullshit.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 06:10 AM
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29. He gave one speech in front of Congress and I saw the list of talk shows ................
that another poster put up. I went back and watched all the tv shows (you can find them on youtube). He appeared on all the major tv shows, face the nation, meet the press, this week, state of the union, and the poster who gave me the list even threw in Leno. Let's say each show runs around 40 minutes after commercial time is taken out. Obama was the only guest on those shows that week, so he was given over 160 minutes of air time. His total time talking about HCR was less than 10 minutes, on one show it was only 38 seconds.

Oh yeah, he was really out there pushing HCR.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 10:51 AM
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33. Two speeches to Congress.
He spoke to a special joint session on September 9. HCR was the major focus again for the state of the union in January.

I'm glad you remember that he went on many shows. Given your fuzzy memory, I find your 10 minute claim difficult to believe. He spent more than 10 minutes talking about health care during the State of the Union alone, so I know your claim is hogwash.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 05:20 PM
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38. Prove me wrong .......
go to youtube and put up the links and the time frames of which he spoke about health care. I've done it, and it's a joke. The SOTU was more than about HCR, yes he talked about it, but it wasn't the top subject, the economy was.
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rury Donating Member (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 09:40 PM
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9. No, he does not pass laws
but he does have input and meet with legislators to help craft them.
Is is that f*****g difficult for you to give President Obama credit for anything?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 10:18 PM
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15. Ummm...
Edited on Thu Jul-22-10 10:21 PM by jenmito
have you read any of my posts before reading this one? You're cursing at me for not giving Obama credit for anything? I'm often accused of being one of his biggest "cheerleaders," "apologists," etc. I meant that it's not HIS fault that everything he wanted didn't make it into the final bills he signed, but the fault of not enough Dems. in Congress voting for certain things.
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rury Donating Member (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 09:33 PM
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40. We have ENOUGH Democrats in Congress
what we need are BETTER Democrats.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-10 11:53 AM
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41. I KNOW. I never SAID we don't have enough Dems. in Congress...
I said we don't have enough who voted for the things most of us wanted.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 09:33 PM
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6. Shhhh, people hate when you bring up facts. n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 09:46 PM
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11. Facts?
"The Chamber wanted generic drug imports from Canada not included in the bill; Obama complied."

(The Chamber wanted the health care bill killed)

"The Chamber wanted card check legislation stopped; Obama didn't push for it.

The Chamber wanted proposed credit card usury wording in the credit card reform bill and other bills nixed; Obama didn't push for it."

(The Chamber wanted the credit card bill killed)

"The Chamber wanted any talk of NAFTA renegotiation nipped in the bud; Obama complied."

"The Chamber wanted the financial reform bill watered-down; Obama buckled."

(The Chamber wanted the financial reform bill killed)

By my estimate, Obama is a lot happier than the Chamber and few other people.





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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 09:55 PM
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14. Yes, FACTS


"The Chamber wanted generic drug imports from Canada not included in the bill; Obama complied."

(The Chamber wanted the health care bill killed)

-Obama didn't push and he met with big pharma and capitulated.

"The Chamber wanted card check legislation stopped; Obama didn't push for it.

The Chamber wanted proposed credit card usury wording in the credit card reform bill and other bills nixed; Obama didn't push for it."

(The Chamber wanted the credit card bill killed)

-The Chamber took what they could take.

"The Chamber wanted any talk of NAFTA renegotiation nipped in the bud; Obama complied."

-So True.

"The Chamber wanted the financial reform bill watered-down; Obama buckled."

(The Chamber wanted the financial reform bill killed)

-The Chamber didn't want the bill killed. They knew that public support wasn't on their side and that they had to give up something, and they gave up as little as possible, and now the SEC is back pedaling on the bonds issue by putting a six month hold on that particular part of the bill.

By my estimate, Obama is a lot happier than the Chamber and few other people.
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rury Donating Member (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 09:47 PM
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12. He didn't "buckle" on any of that stuff
He knew from talking to Congressmembers what would and would not pass, so he chose not to make the perfect the enemy of the good.
He's not a dictator who works in isolation and does everything by fiat!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 11:10 PM
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17. Did you see Barney Frank on Countdown? He said you're wrong to blame Obama for not getting the PO.
13 Blue Dog Senators Opposed to PO

The votes weren't there. Period. You and others here can keep repeating over and over again that he "complied" but it is complete and utter horseshit. It makes me wonder exactly what your agenda is in repeating it. Do you hope to find converts to your cause of flat-out opposition? My money is on people who care about the truth.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 11:32 PM
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20. +1 n/t
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 11:54 PM
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22. My agenda is to state the facts; what's yours?
Edited on Fri Jul-23-10 12:00 AM by brentspeak


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/22/obama-health-care-plan-dr_n_471320.html

Despite the http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/17/dianne-feinstein-signs-on_n_466435.html">recent surge of support in the Senate for a government-run health insurance option, President Obama chose not to include one of the most popular elements of reform in the plan he is presenting to a bipartisan group of lawmakers Thursday.

The Obama plan explicitly bridges the differences between Senate and House legislation on issues both large and small, but on the public option -- which is included in the House bill, but not in the Senate's -- Obama is entirely silent

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Since then, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said he would work with his colleagues to find the votes needed for it; Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), the third ranking Democrat, pushed for it to be included; and Sen. Bob Menendez (N.J.), chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, joined in the call as well.

But neither that nor the public option's consistently strong appeal in public-opinion polls was enough to persuade Obama to get behind it.


And, of course, there's this week's announcement that http://www.americablog.com/2010/07/obama-embeds-liz-fowler-edition.html">Obama has recruited former Wellpoint executive and public-option-killing-legislation-drafter Liz Fowler to run the "consumer oversight" portion of the HCR.

Face the facts: No one is stupid enough to buy your revisionist history on Obama and the public option.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:08 AM
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23. An Op-Ed from Huffington Post does not trump Barney Frank, eyewitness.
You should be embarrassed for clinging to the gossipy horseshit that Huff Post too often stoops to to manufacture buzz and jack up traffic to their website.

Barney Frank was there. I consider him reliable and sometimes uncomfortably brutally honest. You, not so much.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:19 AM
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24. Head, meet sand
Edited on Fri Jul-23-10 12:20 AM by brentspeak
I suggest you give it a rest.



http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/congresssional-dems-begin-pinning-blame-for-health-care-failure-squarely-on-obama/

Congressional Dems Start Pinning Blame For Health Care Fiasco On Obama

Little by little, Congressional Dems are beginning to pin the lion’s share of the blame for the badly weakened health care bill on a single figure: President Obama.

Here’s Russ Feingold, for instance, making http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/72375-lieberman-expresses-regret-to-colleagues-over-healthcare-tension-">a striking accusation: Obama may be more to blame than Joe Lieberman for the current state of play…

“This bill appears to be legislation that the president wanted in the first place, so I don’t think focusing it on Lieberman really hits the truth,” said Feingold.

While Feingold and others have repeatedly called on Obama to use the bully pulpit more aggressively on health care, they’ve refrained from implying that Obama wants a bill without the key liberal provisions he claimed to be seeking, as Feingold does here.

Meanwhile, here’s Anthony Weiner, making the http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/congresssional-dems-begin-pinning-blame-for-health-care-failure-squarely-on-obama/Read%20more:%20http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2009/12/time-to-spank-some-democrats.html#ixzz0ZrjsCsgm%3Cbr%20/%3E">surprisingly aggressive accusation that Obama’s lackluster leadership is to blame for letting the process get hijacked by Lieberman et al:

“Snowe? Stupak? Lieberman? Who left these people in charge? It’s time for the President to get his hands dirty. Some of us have compromised our compromised compromise. We need the President to stand up for the values our party shares. We must stop letting the tail wag the dog of this debate.”


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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:30 AM
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25. Swing and a miss: Your dissemination of false info goes poof. nt
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:35 AM
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26. Fingers, meet ears
"Nnnnn...nnnnn....nnnnnnn...I can't hear you....nnnnn....nnnnnn....."
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:38 AM
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27. Your inner ugly is showing. nt
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 10:36 PM
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16. But... but... he's a corporate puppet!
:eyes:
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:48 AM
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28. "Impeach the unstrong"!
That's all i have to say.
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 06:26 AM
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30. I hope these idiots in the "Chamber of Lobbyists" spend every nickel they have..
fighting losing battles with the administration.
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 10:08 AM
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31. kick
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 10:44 AM
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32. but according to some on DU Obama is just a corporate democrat.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:41 PM
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36. And some here that call themselves "leftists" want Democrats to fail.
They use the Republican strategy of divide and conquer, sowing dissent on Democratic boards.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 05:12 PM
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37. He definitely is a corporatist.
One only need to look down at the Gulf to see ample evidence of that fact.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:17 PM
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34. How patriot of them.
:sarcasm:
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great white snark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:27 PM
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35. All this opposition and he still gets things done.
Truly amazing if you ask me.
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