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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 11:49 PM Original message |
Poll question: Do "Obama killed the public option" threads belong in the 911 forum |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
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SunsetDreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 11:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. No, it's Radical Activist. Next question? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:09 AM Response to Reply #2 |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. No, It's SunsetDreams. Next question? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:24 AM Response to Reply #12 |
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SunsetDreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:34 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. No it's a Jim Carey wanna be, next question? |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 06:31 AM Response to Reply #23 |
59. inappropriate much? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 11:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 11:58 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Let me see if I understand. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:11 AM Response to Reply #4 |
14. I thought that Obama wanted Liberals to compromise in favor of the Blue Dog plan? |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:21 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Obama wanted to pass HCR. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:26 AM Response to Reply #18 |
25. He said he did- but all the arm twisting seemed to be on Liberals to support the Blue Dogs... |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #4 |
68. Obama never advocated for specific language or points. He asked the congress to |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 11:21 AM Response to Reply #68 |
76. Correcting a couple of errors. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:02 PM Response to Reply #76 |
93. "suddenly decided..." |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. I don't remember hearing anything about the PO |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 06:30 PM Response to Reply #4 |
161. I think that was the design |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 11:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Are you suggesting that believing in facts makes someone like Rahm? |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:10 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Are YOU suggesting you actually posted any facts? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:24 AM Response to Reply #13 |
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pa28 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:42 AM Response to Reply #7 |
29. Speaking of facts here an interesting one. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:42 AM Response to Reply #29 |
39. Deflecting |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #39 |
219. Revisionist |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #1 |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:24 AM Response to Reply #21 |
33. Steven Leser, is that you? |
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SunsetDreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 03:24 AM Response to Reply #33 |
51. only.. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 04:43 AM Response to Reply #33 |
53. Zing! |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
5. Killed? Dont know, but apparenlty he could not lead Blue Dogs and DLCers into supporting it. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:01 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. It would at least be realistically accurate |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:06 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I'm not sure if swaying Blue Dogs to the PO was even his plan, But he did fail at it, either way. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:19 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. On the one hand |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:33 AM Response to Reply #17 |
26. And yet Obama wanted Liberals to compromise in favor of Blue Dogs... |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:20 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. He compromised in favor of passing HCR. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
6. What are we? Stupid? Puhleeze. |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 09:40 AM Response to Reply #6 |
65. Yes. (nt) |
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anAustralianobserver (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:04 AM Response to Original message |
9. He didn't kill it, but I think he was hoodwinked into withdrawing his support for it while keeping |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:08 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Ah, the LIHOP variation on the MIHOP. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:12 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. lol |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #9 |
20. If by "hoodwinked" you mean |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:24 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. +1 |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:37 AM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Maybe he was too busy counting votes and not busy enough swaying and fighing for PO votes. |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:31 PM Response to Reply #28 |
117. what you said |
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anAustralianobserver (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:10 AM Response to Reply #20 |
30. I meant more than that. I agree with you that the idea that he never cared about or fought for |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:12 AM Response to Original message |
15. Gibbs explains how the public option died |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:26 AM Response to Reply #15 |
34. Well, if the government's paid spokesperson says it, it must be true. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 09:11 PM Response to Reply #15 |
168. "the main consideration was getting something into law" |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:22 AM Response to Original message |
32. Most people would be ashamed to so publicly display their own ignorance. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:36 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Well, if a pharmaceutical industry lobbyist says it, it must be true. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:47 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. You're spouting nonsense again |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 02:07 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. But Chip is the only named source for the "deal" story |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 02:23 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Do I really have to explain this to you? |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #48 |
73. The NYT |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 05:35 AM Response to Reply #32 |
55. A "chief lobbyist for the for-profit hospital industry" confirms it, according to Miles Mogules. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 10:30 AM Response to Reply #55 |
70. Funny how everyone seems to be lying when your illusions are threatened |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #70 |
87. Apparently, you have. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 11:49 AM Response to Reply #70 |
89. I notice projection. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 12:29 AM Response to Reply #32 |
185. Man, you just have to BELIEVE! |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
201. BIG difference between "I think" and "I confirmed". |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:30 AM Response to Original message |
35. I believe this is a call-out thread |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:38 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Who am I calling out? |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #38 |
98. I think you know full well who you were calling out |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:38 AM Response to Original message |
37. "even though he spent months pushing for it...." |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:46 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. LMGTFY |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:49 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. I've got an even better one for you |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 02:17 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. My first night of exposure to this, so apologies if I don't know much... |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 03:00 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Yes. nt |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:52 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Indeed. Lots of articles with headlines like: "Obama: 'Public option not the most important part |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 02:13 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Why would he have to say such a thing if he never supported it? |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 02:29 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Because his base was supporting it, and it was one of those broken campaign promises |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 05:13 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. When did he say he would veto any HCR without a PO? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 09:44 AM Response to Reply #37 |
66. In numerous speeches and townhall meetings for an entire year or more... |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 04:12 PM Response to Reply #66 |
204. Link please. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:57 AM Response to Original message |
44. Let him have his way. Won't make any difference. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 04:31 AM Response to Original message |
52. How about only allowing White House press releases in DU? |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #52 |
88. How about just sticking to the truthful statements? |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #88 |
136. Pick one of the following: |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 05:41 PM Response to Reply #136 |
153. Occam's razor. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #52 |
202. He campaigned *on* HCR.... |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 05:40 AM Response to Original message |
56. I can't decide if this is true (POTUS killed the public option) or... |
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Imperfect (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 05:40 AM Response to Original message |
57. Obama: "I didn't campaign on the public option" |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #57 |
86. It was part of his campaign plan |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 05:46 AM Response to Original message |
58. Yes, it's a kooky conspiracy theory with no evidence to back it up |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #58 |
200. BS, Show me the evidence of Obama saying ANYWHERE during the HC debate, |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #200 |
205. "must include a public option" |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 06:33 AM Response to Original message |
60. OK, You Want A Fucking Echo Chamber |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #60 |
99. +1 |
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VMI Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 06:37 AM Response to Original message |
61. Wait a minute, I thought the centrist line was that he never campaigned on it. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 06:44 AM Response to Original message |
62. You can try to revise history all you want. |
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Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
63. Nice attempt at rewriting history. Educate yourself. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 11:37 AM Response to Reply #63 |
84. That's an editorial. |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
64. flamebait n/t |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
67. The Senate killed the public option. He would have signed the bill with or without it. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
69. The house is trying for the public option again. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 11:27 AM Response to Reply #69 |
80. The House already passed it the first time. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:01 PM Response to Reply #80 |
92. Obama can encourage the senate or not and not compromise the entire bill. |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
71. When policies fail, try censorship |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #71 |
78. When logic fails, try making things up? |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #78 |
120. make shit up? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #120 |
143. No, like "nowhere near 50 Senators ever said they would vote for the PO" |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #71 |
111. +1 |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
72. Tell it to the NY Times |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 11:09 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. So you trust pharmaceutical industry lobbyists now? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 11:18 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Nope- I trust the totality of the circumstances and the evidence |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 11:23 AM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Like the evidence that nowhere near 50 Senators ever said they would vote for the PO? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 11:26 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. :sigh: I was there following the matter very closely |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 11:29 AM Response to Reply #79 |
82. It comes from an understanding of how the three branches work |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 11:52 AM Response to Reply #79 |
90. Were you also promoting this "imperial presidency" meme when Boosh was in charge? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #90 |
95. . |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:57 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. Comic-book satire is usually more effective if it contains the seeds of reality. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:59 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. You do realize you're arguing with a cartoon woodchuck, don't you? |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #102 |
119. I see you're not even trying anymore. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #119 |
131. Admittedly, conversations on your level don't require a lot of effort. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #95 |
105. And you reference one of the lies of the conspiracy. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #105 |
110. Moving the goalposts again, I see |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. Hey, you're deflecting from the lie just like Limbaugh and Breitbart do. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. And now we break out the personal attacks. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. Now you're hypocritically attacking others for your own behavior just like Limbaugh and Breitbart. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Your posts |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:34 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. Deleted message |
jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #118 |
128. Now more rule breaking. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 08:16 AM Response to Reply #90 |
196. That was an insult that coming from another angle would have been deleted |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 11:28 AM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Just plain false. Do you even bother to check facts before you post? |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 11:32 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. 47 when 60 votes were needed. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Ah, now it's 60. But you said you had "evidence that nowhere near *50* Senators" |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #85 |
91. Either way, we didn't have enough votes. And don't pretend that Lieberman respects this President... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:07 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. No, not "either way". We're either having an honest debate or we're not |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. "We can argue about numbers but it still won't support your argument." |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 12:57 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. We're no longer arguing about numbers. We're arguing about your level of honesty. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. "24 have signed a letter to Harry Reid asking for a public option in reconciliation." |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:06 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Keep backpedaling -- it's extremely entertaining |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Please, go ahead. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. Ah, the Rubber/Glue argument. Impressive, young Jedi. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. "The logical conclusion to make is that the US Senate is dominated by moderates and conservatives." |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #109 |
113. At this point, I strongly suggest you install some rearview mirrors |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #113 |
126. Pretending that he backed up from anything in order to get your precious last word.... |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #126 |
127. +1. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #127 |
130. Posts right up there ^^^ |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 05:27 PM Response to Reply #130 |
145. He said the votes weren't there and he is correct. You can't refute that. Move on. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 05:36 PM Response to Reply #145 |
147. What are you, his designated spokesmodel? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 05:37 PM Response to Reply #147 |
149. The PO didn't qualify for reconcilliation. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 05:41 PM Response to Reply #149 |
151. Another manufactured excuse. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 09:18 PM Response to Reply #151 |
169. You have no idea what you are talking about. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 12:00 AM Response to Reply #169 |
180. Actually, I know quite a bit of what I'm talking about |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 01:22 AM Response to Reply #180 |
191. That is BLATENTLY false. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 02:09 AM Response to Reply #191 |
192. First off, it's "blatant". Spell-check is your friend. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 02:54 AM Response to Reply #192 |
193. "The Senate parliamentarian allowed it, partly based on the CBO's estimate." |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 12:03 PM Response to Reply #193 |
198. Yep, the parliamentarian never ruled on it. I was incorrect. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #94 |
124. Yes, either way, whether you like it or not, its a historical FACT that the votes were not there. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #124 |
129. You can say it as many times as you like, that doesn't make it true. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 05:24 PM Response to Reply #129 |
144. Bullshit. The fact that Lieberman came out and announced for all to hear... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 05:36 PM Response to Reply #144 |
148. You can say it as many times as you like, that doesn't make it true. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 05:39 PM Response to Reply #148 |
150. I can not say it at all and its still true. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 05:41 PM Response to Reply #150 |
152. Could you please try that, then? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 05:42 PM Response to Reply #152 |
154. Still waiting on that list of 60 Senators... will you admit you can't produce it? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 05:57 PM Response to Reply #154 |
155. Not until you produce your list of 75 Keebler elves |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 06:26 PM Response to Reply #155 |
159. Nothing has been debunked, at all, whatsoever. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 06:32 PM Response to Reply #159 |
162. Still waiting for you to support a single assertion. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 09:24 PM Response to Reply #162 |
170. Every assertion has been supported multiple times. The fact that you don't understand them |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 10:10 PM Response to Reply #170 |
172. Oh yay, the night shift is here |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 10:48 PM Response to Reply #172 |
173. Have you ever considered that you are simply wrong, and that's why you are being called out? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 11:27 PM Response to Reply #173 |
179. I came to my conclusion based on evidence. Have you? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 12:11 AM Response to Reply #179 |
181. I highly doubt your point of view has anything to do with evidence |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 12:16 AM Response to Reply #181 |
183. Neither of your links are relevant to the subject |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 12:41 AM Response to Reply #183 |
186. Whether or not it could have passed is very relevant to whether or not Obama worked for it. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
107. If you fail to properly feed something, have you killed it? |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
121. I'm gratified to see the results of this poll... |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
122. leftist screen name? *check* |
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VMI Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. +1 |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #122 |
133. check, check...and check. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #122 |
135. Living in the real world doesn't make me less progressive. |
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Spheric (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 04:29 PM Response to Reply #135 |
137. Aw, I see. A sensible radical. /nt |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #137 |
138. In the Alinsky tradition. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #138 |
140. Protip: most progressives don't use Saul Alinsky as a bogeyman |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #140 |
141. I admire Alinsky. It's time for you to find another outlet for your bitter miserableness. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #141 |
142. Project, project, project. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 07:10 PM Response to Reply #137 |
163. A sensible Centrist, middle-of-the-road "radical"... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #135 |
139. You mean the world where "nowhere near 50 Senators ever said they would vote for the PO?" |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 06:13 PM Response to Reply #135 |
158. real world reference!!1 *everyone drink* |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 07:17 PM Response to Reply #135 |
165. You're as much a radical as Breitbart is a journalist. n/t |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 12:42 AM Response to Reply #135 |
187. i think that your definition of progressive is skewed.. |
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Spheric (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 02:55 AM Response to Reply #187 |
194. No it's not. It's very sensible. /nt |
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VMI Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
125. This is an essential thread that pretty much proves how fairly things are moderated. |
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Spheric (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #125 |
132. +1 |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #125 |
134. +1 |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 06:09 PM Response to Reply #125 |
157. Indeed. nt |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 07:17 PM Response to Reply #125 |
164. GAwd, no kidding. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
146. New rule: If you can't produce a list of 60 names that would vote for it, STFU. |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 09:27 PM Response to Reply #146 |
171. Then why did the party put the PO in the 2008 platform? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 10:52 PM Response to Reply #171 |
174. Why do you think that every aspect of our platform is supported by every member of our party? |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 10:56 PM Response to Reply #174 |
175. But the returns from the election were incredibly in our favor. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 11:07 PM Response to Reply #175 |
176. How is that AT ALL relevant? |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 11:18 PM Response to Reply #176 |
178. When you outline your strategy, you need capacity/capability estimates. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 12:15 AM Response to Reply #178 |
182. They did plan. |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #182 |
184. In that case, I refer you to post #167: |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 12:50 AM Response to Reply #184 |
188. Lieberman wasn't even a Democrat. That should fully answer your question. |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 01:05 AM Response to Reply #188 |
189. Then why have a whip? Why bother publishing a platform? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 01:12 AM Response to Reply #189 |
190. The 60 vote threshold for passing most legislation is a fact, whether or not you "buy it." |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #190 |
199. "The platform is largely irrelevant, and any weight on it is misplaced." |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 05:58 PM Response to Reply #199 |
206. Which part of "my opinion" isn't fact? |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 05:59 PM Response to Reply #206 |
207. No, that would be a strawman. I don't vote for Republicans. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 06:09 PM Response to Reply #207 |
210. So you are implying it is possible for a person who isn't a D or an R to win? n/t |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 06:34 PM Response to Reply #210 |
211. No, I was talking about the 2008 Democratic party platform. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 06:41 PM Response to Reply #211 |
212. I'm not saying you are a Republican. I'm saying your actions (even if not intended) aide and abet |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 07:04 PM Response to Reply #212 |
214. That's simply a false dichotomy. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 11:17 PM Response to Reply #146 |
177. true |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 05:33 AM Response to Reply #146 |
195. Lesson learned: don't bother to ever vote for US Senator |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 08:57 AM Response to Reply #195 |
197. Excellent response to that stupid "find 60 votes or shut up" meme. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 06:01 PM Response to Reply #195 |
209. Your post doesn't seem to back up your point. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 10:26 PM Response to Reply #195 |
218. Your attitude is part of the reason why more progressives aren't in the Senate. |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
156. Good question, but baaaaaaaad push poll. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 10:02 PM Response to Reply #156 |
215. I'm not Fox News. I don't have to pretend to be fair and balanced. |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #215 |
221. It would only be a pretense, anyway. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #221 |
222. Exactly. This is a post to make a point. |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-10 04:32 PM Response to Reply #222 |
223. No worries. Leftists are used to the illusion of choice. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #223 |
224. That's what lazy leftists do. |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-10 05:28 PM Response to Reply #224 |
225. As several posters have noted, there is no non-ridiculous "no" option. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #225 |
226. Now you get it! |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
160. The WH traded the public option as a chip to gain support from private insurance companies |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
166. Where is the "NO" to this so called poll? This is crap! unadulterated crap! eom |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 10:07 PM Response to Reply #166 |
217. There are two No options. |
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Spagettio (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #217 |
220. Those "No" options don't look like "No" to me |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-25-10 07:53 PM Response to Reply #217 |
227. you sound like FOX NEWS |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
167. Here's what I don't understand: |
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Imperfect (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
203. Should push-polls without a clear "No" option be permitted? |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 06:00 PM Response to Reply #203 |
208. I'd say not. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 10:05 PM Response to Reply #203 |
216. dupe |
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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-24-10 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
213. Yes, along with all the other threads about people not getting the right color pony. |
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