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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 10:38 AM
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Oh boo-hoo, Californians now favor Gray Davis over Arnold
Californians Look Back

Nearly 7 years after recalling him from office California voters would like to have Gray Davis back...or at least they'd rather have him than Arnold Schwarzenegger. 44% on our most recent poll said they'd rather have Davis as Governor to 38% who picked Schwarzenegger. Democrats (64%) are more unified around the desire for Davis than Republicans are around Schwarzenegger (59%), although independents do lean toward the current Governor by a 41-37 margin.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 10:40 AM
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1. Some of us recognized his worth at the time
He wasn't likable, but he was a damned good governor.
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Tikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 10:42 AM
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2. Yes he was and California is going to SUFFER immensely if we don't elect Jerry Brown.
Tikki
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 10:46 AM
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3. All California governors suffer from the same two problems
Edited on Thu Jul-29-10 10:46 AM by Tempest
1) Proposition 13 and how it bankrupted the state by preventing property taxes from increasing while home prices were increasing and the infrastructure in the state went to hell.

2) The state's insane 2/3rds requirement to pass a budget. The minority Repugs have been able to prevent a budget from being passed on time and they have been unwilling to compromise.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 11:15 AM
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8. prop 13 did more than restrict property taxes
It placed a whole host of restrictions on the ability of government to raise revenue, beyond just rolling back and freezing assessed property values

Its intent really was to drown government in a bathtub by making it near impossible to either raise revenue or to flexibly shift to different revenue sources.

I contend prop 13 was a right wing trojan horse that is now finally showing us its true evil
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 11:48 AM
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11. Of course
I lived there in those days, and there were plenty of people who warned about back then. But the whole tax cut wave was just gaining max strength, no way to have an intelligent debate.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 12:27 PM
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13. Really? 2/3? Geesh!!
I thought Indiana was stupid only requiring a simple majority in both chambers to override the Governor's veto.

I wonder how many other states require a 2/3 vote like California?


And property taxes can't be increased even though home prices increase? That is crazy.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 01:20 PM
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17. Only three states require a 2/3rds vote to pass a budget

Arkansas, California and Rhode Island.
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 08:07 AM
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22. Your #1 is just a symptom of an even bigger problem...
...their governing by ballot initiative. Why do they even bother with a state legislature when everything just gets decided by some vote on a proposition?
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 10:48 AM
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4. I don't have any buyer's remorse.
Because I didn't vote for the mutherfucker.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 10:52 AM
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5. I know someone who was fervently "Recall Davis" at the time...
She swore up and down he was the reason for California's budget problems.

After he was replaced by Schwarzenegger and the story came out about how Arnold, Michael Milken, and Ken Lay met to discuss Brown's intention to sue Enron:

ENRON CONNECTION

On May 26, 2001 Arnold met with former Enron CEO Kenneth Lay , where Lay sought support for his solution to the California energy crisis, opposing price caps on electricity and federal assistance. The Bush administration supported Lay's solution and stood by while Enron defrauded Californians out of billions . As we have seen, many officials linked with the Bush Administration have their dirty prints all over Enron, it seems Arnold does too.

http://www.arnoldexposed.com/arnold.htm

So when the State of California finally did settle up with ratepayers, it was for much less...

Republican gubernatorial candidate Arnold Schwarzenegger wrapped up a four-day bus tour across California as he headed for a rally in the state capital yesterday. The latest polls show Schwarzenegger is still leading 135 potential replacements for Gov. Gray Davis Davis in tomorrow’s recall election.

Well a new report by investigative reporter Greg Palast published on Saturday is charging Arnold and Enron’s Kenneth Lay involvement in a $9 billion California swindle.

At the center of the story is a private lawsuit filed last year by California’s Lieutenant Governor Cruz Bustamante to make Enron and other power companies pay back $9 billion in illicit profits. The suit shows how they carried off the profits by fraudulent reporting of sales transactions, megawatt "laundering," fake power delivery scheduling. Palast cites a 34-page internal Enron memo he obtained.

Schwarzenegger has yet to deny that on May 17, 2001 he met with Enron chieftain Kenneth Lay and convicted stock swindler Mike Milken in a hotel room in Los Angeles. The meeting was allegedly part of a plan to recall Gov. Gray Davis and replace him with someone who could make the legal threat go away.

http://www.democracynow.org/2003/10/6/schwarzenegger_accused_of_involvement_in_9b

Occasionally when I see this person, I ask "Hey! How's that Enron 'lawsuit' working out for you?," (although I haven't gotten to the point where I call her "Grandma Millie" yet).
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 11:05 AM
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6. They whined and called him 'lack luster' and put Arnie in twice
I lived there then. Everybody was after Davis, because he was telling the Enron truth. The People of California should apologize to him, if you ask me. He was right and they were wrong.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 11:09 AM
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7. See how Isaa did his job by thinking he could get the position.
And at the time Adrianna Huffington's husband was trying to get the job. He was a republican.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 11:20 AM
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9. I live in California and have just about had it with this state.
I was pissed when Gray Davis was ousted and will be even more pissed if Meg Whitman is elected Governor.

Other posters are correct -- Prop 13 is killing us.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 11:45 AM
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10. How come the Dems didn't recall his ass (Ahnold's I mean) nt
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 03:54 PM
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20. Simple answer
$$$$

Recall costs money and by that time Enron had bankrupted us.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 11:49 AM
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12. I always opposed the recall and Schwarzenegger's takeover.
The RW set Davis up for a fall with the Enron energy debacle, then used Issa to promote the recall (and then threw him under the bus), then handed the governorship to Ahnuld for him to get even with the state by monkeywrenching it, by proxy.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 12:32 PM
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14. Kind of late for that, isn't it?
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 12:51 PM
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15. The Bay Area supported Davis 65-35 in the recall
sometimes I wish we were our own state. we have nearly 8 million people.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 12:56 PM
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16. Shame on 'em. Gamed by the Republicans again.
People need to wise up to these fools and their lies and misinformation.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 01:31 PM
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18. Gray Davis should tell California to kiss his ass.
They got all caught up in recall fever and elected Herr Gropenfuhrer.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 03:16 PM
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19. What's This Now? Californians Prefer An Experienced Govt Leader Over An Action Movie Star
to lead their state? Why this can't be.

I for one would love to have an action movie hero with no real experience running a co-equal branch of government. Is Jean Claude Van Damme available to be Gov. of NY?
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 07:22 AM
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21. And, how'd that judgment against the rolling-blackout energy companies go?
Now, there's no one with an interest in earning more of your money by changing your governor again. Poor conned Californians.
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