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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 07:45 PM
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Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
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Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
By the CNN Wire Staff
August 13, 2010 8:35 p.m. EDT

Washington (CNN) -- President Obama threw his support behind a controversial proposal to build an Islamic center and mosque near New York's ground zero, saying Friday that "Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country," according to remarks distributed by the White House.

"Let me be clear: as a citizen, and as President, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country," Obama said, according to prepared remarks released before a speech.

"That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances," he said.

Obama was speaking at a White House Iftar dinner celebrating the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.

The president invoked the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, which critics of the Islamic center cite as the main reason for preventing its construction.

"We must all recognize and respect the sensitivities surrounding the development of lower Manhattan," Obama said, according to his prepared remarks. "The 9/11 attacks were a deeply traumatic event for our country."

"The pain and suffering experienced by those who lost loved ones is unimaginable," he continued. "So I understand the emotions that this issue engenders. Ground Zero is, indeed, hallowed ground."

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http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/08/13/obama.islamic.center.support/


Obama Offers Support to Islamic Center Near Ground Zero
Josh Marshall | August 13, 2010, 8:40PM

From the President's prepared remarks at tonight's Iftar Dinner at the White House ...

Recently, attention has been focused on the construction of mosques in certain communities - particularly in New York. Now, we must all recognize and respect the sensitivities surrounding the development of lower Manhattan. The 9/11 attacks were a deeply traumatic event for our country. The pain and suffering experienced by those who lost loved ones is unimaginable. So I understand the emotions that this issue engenders. Ground Zero is, indeed, hallowed ground.

But let me be clear: as a citizen, and as President, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country. That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakeable. The principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country, and will not be treated differently by their government, is essential to who we are. The writ of our Founders must endure.

Full speech text after the jump.

THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary __________________________

EMBARGOED UNTIL 8:30 PM ET August 13, 2010


EMBARGOED UNTIL 8:30 PM ET: Obama's remarks as prepared for delivery for this evening's Iftar Dinner

Good evening. Welcome to the White House. To you, to Muslim Americans across our country, and to more than one billion Muslims around the world, I extend my best wishes on this holy month. Ramadan Kareem. I want to welcome members of the diplomatic corps; members of my administration; and Members of Congress, including Rush Holt, John Conyers, and Andre Carson, who is one of two Muslim American Members of Congress, along with Keith Ellison.

Here at the White House, we have a tradition of hosting iftars that goes back several years, just as we host Christmas parties, seders, and Diwali celebrations. These events celebrate the role of faith in the lives of the American people. They remind us of the basic truth that we are all children of God, and we all draw strength and a sense of purpose from our beliefs.

These events are also an affirmation of who we are as Americans. Our Founders understood that the best way to honor the place of faith in the lives of our people was to protect their freedom to practice religion. In the Virginia Act for Establishing Religion Freedom, Thomas Jefferson wrote that "all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion." The First Amendment of our Constitution established the freedom of religion as the law of the land. And that right has been upheld ever since.

Indeed, over the course of our history, religion has flourished within our borders precisely because Americans have had the right to worship as they choose - including the right to believe in no religion at all. And it is a testament to the wisdom of our Founders that America remains deeply religious - a nation where the ability of peoples of different faiths to coexist peacefully and with mutual respect for one another stands in contrast to the religious conflict that persists around the globe.

That is not to say that religion is without controversy. Recently, attention has been focused on the construction of mosques in certain communities - particularly in New York. Now, we must all recognize and respect the sensitivities surrounding the development of lower Manhattan. The 9/11 attacks were a deeply traumatic event for our country. The pain and suffering experienced by those who lost loved ones is unimaginable. So I understand the emotions that this issue engenders. Ground Zero is, indeed, hallowed ground.

But let me be clear: as a citizen, and as President, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country. That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakeable. The principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country, and will not be treated differently by their government, is essential to who we are. The writ of our Founders must endure.

We must never forget those who we lost so tragically on 9/11, and we must always honor those who have led our response to that attack - from the firefighters who charged up smoke-filled staircases, to our troops who are serving in Afghanistan today. And let us always remember who we are fighting against, and what we are fighting for. Our enemies respect no freedom of religion. Al Qaeda's cause is not Islam - it is a gross distortion of Islam. These are not religious leaders - these are terrorists who murder innocent men, women and children. In fact, al Qaeda has killed more Muslims than people of any other religion - and that list of victims includes innocent Muslims who were killed on 9/11.

That is who we are fighting against. And the reason that we will win this fight is not simply the strength of our arms - it is the strength of our values. The democracy that we uphold. The freedoms that we cherish. The laws that we apply without regard to race or religion; wealth or status. Our capacity to show not merely tolerance, but respect to those who are different from us - a way of life that stands in stark contrast to the nihilism of those who attacked us on that September morning, and who continue to plot against us today.

In my inaugural address, I said that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. We are shaped by every language and culture, drawn from every end of this Earth. That diversity can bring difficult debates. Indeed, past eras have seen controversies about the construction of synagogues or Catholic churches. But time and again, the American people have demonstrated that we can work through these issues, stay true to our core values, and emerge stronger for it. So it must be - and will be - today.

Tonight, we are reminded that Ramadan is a celebration of a faith known for great diversity. And Ramadan is a reminder that Islam has always been part of America. The first Muslim ambassador to the United States, from Tunisia, was hosted by President Jefferson, who arranged a sunset dinner for his guest because it was Ramadan--making it the first known iftar at the White House, more than 200 years ago.

Like so many other immigrants, generations of Muslims came here to forge their future. They became farmers and merchants, worked in mills and factories, and helped lay the railroads. They helped build America. They founded the first Islamic center in New York City in the 1890s. They built America's first mosque on the prairie of North Dakota. And perhaps the oldest surviving mosque in America--still in use today--is in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

Today, our nation is strengthened by millions of Muslim Americans. They excel in every walk of life. Muslim American communities--including mosques in all fifty states--also serve their neighbors. Muslim Americans protect our communities as police, firefighters and first responders. Muslim American clerics have spoken out against terror and extremism, reaffirming that Islam teaches that one must save human life, not take it. And Muslim Americans serve with honor in our military. At next week's iftar at the Pentagon, tribute will be paid to three soldiers who gave their lives in Iraq and now rest among the heroes of Arlington National Cemetery.

These Muslim Americans died for the security that we depend upon, and the freedoms that we cherish. They are part of an unbroken line of Americans that stretches back to our Founding; Americans of all faiths who have served and sacrificed to extend the promise of America to new generations, and to ensure that what is exceptional about America is protected - our commitment to stay true to our core values, and our ability to perfect our union.

For in the end, we remain "one nation, under God, indivisible." And we can only achieve "liberty and justice for all" if we live by that one rule at the heart of every religion, including Islam--that we do unto others as we would have them do unto us.

Thank you all for being here, and I wish you a blessed Ramadan. And with that, let's eat.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/08/obama_offers_support_to_islamic_center_near_ground.php
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 07:47 PM
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1. And teabag heads around the country explode.
Good for Obama on this. :thumbsup:
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 07:51 PM
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6. Indeed.
:thumbsup: :toast:
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 10:12 PM
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14. And the Obama bashers on this board ignore it
I just got home from a long day and read this speech. It was courageous and beautifully articulated. Really quite remarkable. And I see one thread with 8 responses and one with 13. (If I missed the "big" one, slap me. I'm willing to be corrected--I just don't have the time to scan every forum for every thread.) Yet there are a hundred threads with a hundred responses about Robert Gibbs. It makes me sad. So much energy directed at negativity.



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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 10:57 PM
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16. I could easily be considered one the Obama bashers here, and I liked what he said.
Edited on Fri Aug-13-10 10:57 PM by Forkboy
DU runs with things, the Gibbs stuff being the latest. I wouldn't worry about it one way or the other too much.

As for the negativity, I can only speak for myself, but my life is dominated by it. Negativity isn't always a bad thing, especially if you feel it's justified. For example, if you earned $500 bucks a month and your bills came to $600 , and it seems like life is just piling on, then negativity seems fairly well deserved to me. It's all a matter of perspective. And yes, some people are in that boat. That makes me sadder than what Gibbs may be feeling. He can go home each night, secure in the knowledge that he has a roof, a bed, a meal. Not all can say that.

I do understand what you're saying, that too much focus is put on the negative without reinforcing the positive. But speeches are just that, speeches. If there's one thing you need to know about the Left, it's that actions are all that matter (at least in my case and those I know personally). Obama does deliver some of the best speeches you'll hear. His speech on race during the campaign when everyone was on his ass over Wright was amazing, one of the best and boldest speeches I've ever heard. he took the bull by the horns that day and blew me away. But in the end words only matter if actions back them up. In some instances Obama has done just that, in others he hasn't.

I get both sides of the argument, I really do.
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30rock Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 07:47 PM
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2. Great move. Our founding fathers wanted freedom of religion. Rec. n/t
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 10:59 PM
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17. Even if they didn't want freedom for all people, at least they wanted freedom of religion. n/t
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 07:47 PM
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3. K & R
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 07:48 PM
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4. About damn time. n/t
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 07:50 PM
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5. Oh for fuck's sake.
Just stop the bullshit for one moment. Please.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 07:54 PM
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8. This isn't bullshit. I was wondering if he was ever going to come out ............................
and say something about it. I do appreciate what he did, but this argument has been going on in NY for quite a while. And Bloomberg isn't exactly a person with much sympathy in this city after overturning term-limits.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 07:58 PM
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9. I understand the frustration that he didn't do exactly what you wanted earlier.
Perhaps he was waiting until this special occasion - Iftar Dinner at the White House - to promote the special message.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 08:55 AM
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19. Certainly Bush or a Republican President would have said it sooner!
:sarcasm:
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 05:19 PM
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22. There's a Democrat in office, and this is a no brainer. n/t
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 05:25 PM
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23. No brainer??
Islam is not very popular in the US these days. The right wants us to go to war with all Islam.

The middle of the country can't tell Arab from Muslim, from Shia from Sunni, from Taliban, from Al Qaeda, from Pakistani. These groups, collectively are a convenient "them".

The easiest thing for Obama to do was say nothing. Treat this like a local matter of zoning laws, and ignore it.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 05:40 PM
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24. It's a no brainer for anyone with a brain. Seriously ...........
Bloomberg came out on this over a month ago.

And just because it is unpopular with the brain dead of America is no reason for him to keep his mouth shut. I supported this president throughout the election cycle because I believed he would be ahead of such issues and take a firm stand.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 05:50 PM
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25. Bloomberg had to take a position, its happening in his state.
And my problem with your comment is that you seem to want Obama to be "ahead" of every issue.

Do you want jobs, or a statement on a community center in NY city, or a repeal of DADT, or unemployment extensions, or a stimulus, money for states to save teachers and firefighter jobs, fix the oil spill ... or end to Iraq faster than he actually promised ... or end Afghanistan faster ... or, or, or.

What I notice is that regardless of which thing he does today, its not enough ... took too long, or IT should have been done, first, faster.

He will NEVER, NEVER be able to be "ahead" of every issue that everyone on the Democratic side cares about.

And as a result, when he does something good, we must first diminish it because it was not done first.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 06:00 PM
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27. So you think I expect too much from him? If I recall, properly .............
Obama took aim at McCain for wanting to call a time-out during the campaign, but Obama stated that a president should be able to "walk and chew bubblegum at the same time", and that "multi-tasking is part of the job."

I mean seriously, how long does it take to have a staffer draw-up a memo and send out a press release?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 07:58 PM
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10. +1. Every opportunity is capitalized on; sounds like a party
I know, and it's not the Dems.
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 05:54 PM
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26. Amen. nt
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 06:44 PM
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28. ...that he comments on a purely local issue?
:shrug:
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 06:51 PM
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29. It's not a purely local issue, and everyone knows it .............
rightwingers outside of NY have been taking up this issue for quite a while.

And 9/11 was not a local problem, it had national and global ramifications with after-shocks still being felt to this day. On top of that, Bloomberg, Patterson, or any of our Senators or the Congressional rep are not the faces you want to see defending this.
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 07:52 PM
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7. Excellent. K&R!
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 08:00 PM
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11. Tough, courageous move.
He's going against not only bigots, but 70% of the American public. That takes some "cojones" (to quote Caribou Barbie).

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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 08:10 PM
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12. if he would have said: Mr. Bloomberg, tear down that Mosque!!...
I would have dropped him like a hot potato.

But I know he wouldn't do that. He's Obama. As hard as it is for him these days, he does try to do the right thing, and does it more often than reported.

Thank you, President Obama.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 09:32 PM
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13. K&R
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 10:15 PM
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15. k & r nt
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 08:49 AM
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18. kick and recommend!!
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PopSixSquish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 01:14 PM
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20. Thank You Mr. President!
"For in the end, we remain "one nation, under God, indivisible." And we can only achieve "liberty and justice for all" if we live by that one rule at the heart of every religion, including Islam--that we do unto others as we would have them do unto us."



Damn straight!
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 04:29 PM
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21. WOOT!
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