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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 09:40 AM
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How Exactly Does A President Create Jobs?
The best that a president can do is ask congress to pass a jobs bill, but if congress says no, then what is he supposed to do?

Yes, he can put pressure on congress, but that alone does not create jobs.

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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 09:44 AM
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1. 3 ways
1) Spend money
2) Hire people
3) Loan money
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:01 AM
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4. Again, That's Congress' Function
The president cannot loan money nor can he hire people.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:07 AM
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5. Um, yeah he can
The president hires the vast majority of federal employees.
All manner of administrative offices loan money, including the small business administration, HUD, and Agrigculture. And then there's both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
The defense department has HUGE amounts of money at their disposal to hire, spend, and to some extent "loan".

The president has alot of levers to pull, and big ones are in Housing and student loans.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:14 AM
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9. You Do Know That All of the Money Has To Be Allocated by Congress
He's hiring as many people as he can, but even that is no creating a job. Congress needs to appropriate the money in order to do that.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:45 AM
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12. They have
You've seen the budget right? It's huge. He has a very large amount of discretion on exactly how to spend it. You don't really think that congress dictates staffing levels for the whole government?
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 12:31 PM
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17. Interesting. The President hires the majority of federal employees?
Edited on Thu Aug-19-10 12:52 PM by 4lbs
You mean he directly hires everyone in the FBI, the CIA, the DHS, U.S. Customs, Justice Department. U.S. Marshals, etc.?

Funny.

My father worked for almost 30 years as a federal employee and not once did he ever meet any President. No President ever resided or visited where he worked on a regular basis. His performance reviews weren't seen by the President of the United States, whomever he may be.


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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 02:08 PM
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21. But the President has to *drive*. Would the New Deal have happened if Roosevelt didn't push it?
Edited on Thu Aug-19-10 02:14 PM by Go2Peace
I agree that congress is not being responsive. But that is only half the equation. The President never wants to take a risk and really get out and push. Not "mention" or "throw something out", but really champion what we need. Chicken or egg?

In this case we can never know what is possible. The President has never really gone on a full court press and engaged the public in a strong manner. I am convinced that while such an effort would at first be a storm, that is the *only* way to get to a better place in this country. Take a serious issue, take a risk, champion, and keep fighting and messaging and if the fight is for what the people really need they will eventually come around and in the process the Democrats would regain the momentum.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 09:45 AM
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2. Number one make it a severe penalty for
employers to hire illegal workers and stop tax breaks for exporting jobs.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:00 AM
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3. That's Congress' Job
Not the president. The president cannot declare anything illegal nor cancel tax breaks. The Congress makes the laws.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:08 AM
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6. He has the bully pulpit he could at least suggest they
do something. Take GWB he got everything he wanted buy claiming Democrats were either not supporting the troops or coddling terrorists.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:10 AM
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8. Suggesting from a Bully Pulpit Is A Far Cry from Creating Jobs
GWB got tax cuts and wars passed. Two of the easiest things in the world to get passed in congress.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:33 AM
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11. The illegal immigrant issue and unemployment
Edited on Thu Aug-19-10 10:40 AM by doc03
are the two hottest issues in the upcoming elections he could do plenty. If he would hammer on those issues I guarantee he would get overwhelming public support and even Teabagger support and could persuade Congress to act. He would also show the public what obstructionist assholes the Republicans are. You know why they don't have severe penalties for hiring illeagal workers, the Republicans want cheap labor to drive down wages and employment and the Democrats think they will get votes.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:47 AM
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13. Better yet come out against lobbyists, that is another issue
Americans are sick and tired of. Those three issues are also ones that most of the Teabaggers would agree on. But no neither the Democrats or Republicans will ever do anything about them, they are all bought and paid for.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 12:58 PM
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20. GWB had CONSERVATIVE Republicans in Congress to give him everything.
Obama has Blue Dog Democrats, conservative Democrats, and Democrats from evenly divided or Republican leaning districts to deal with.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:08 AM
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7. He has considerable authority under TARP.
And he's been using it.

But, your point is not lost on many. Which is why his approval rating is 20-30 points higher than Congress's.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:24 AM
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10. this argument is false and everyone knows it
everyone knows the president has enormous influence over legislation, that's why during the primaries they all debated their legislative proposals and no one says "duh, laws are passed by Congress, duh, so why are the presidentail candidates talking about it."

That's why everyone calls it Obamacare and no one says "duh, it should be called Pelosicare."
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 10:50 AM
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14. The fact is- as Krugman and others have pointed out- the administration didn't even try
to pass a stimulus that was large enough and targeted effectively.

Indeed, it would appear that Romer's recommendation's on it may not even have crossed the president's desk!

Plenty of us who were paying attention and doing our homework warned that this would happen- and were pissed off at what we foresaw at the time.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 11:34 AM
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15. What Enormous Influence Does He Have Over The Republicans?
They all line up against him on almost every major vote.
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ItNerd4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 12:20 PM
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16. Create demand by giving people money, not banks, bigger gov't programs, etc.
It's quite simple. Supply vs. Demand. There isn't demand because people don't have money. Instead the government borrows money and then
increases government spending, gives the money to businesses. And, still people don't have money so they don't buy goods and create demand.

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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 12:37 PM
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18. No matter what "jobs program" the President creates or tries to enact, the funding for it always
comes from Congress.

Without Congressional approval on the funding, it will be as effective as NCLB was last decade.

NCLB was passed by Congress and signed by Bush.

However, it wasn't funded at all, and languished for 8 years. Then it was criticized as not working. Maybe if it was funded properly in the first place, back when it was first enacted, it would have succeeded.

You can be sure that the Republicans will try to block any funding of any jobs program, meaning that the Democrats will need 60 votes to overcome any filibuster, just to bring it to a final yes-no vote where then a majority can pass it.

Now that we're full swing into campaign mode, you think any Republicans will actually vote with the Democrats on cloture?


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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 05:41 PM
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26. delete. wrong reply.
Edited on Thu Aug-19-10 05:41 PM by 4lbs
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 12:53 PM
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19. paper machete and pixy dust
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ScreamingWhisper Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 02:13 PM
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22. He can't and neither can Congress
Edited on Thu Aug-19-10 02:14 PM by ScreamingWhisper
Sure...they could add to the govt payroll, but doing so does nothing in the helping to create jobs in the private sector. Until company's see an incentive to add to their payrolls, the ecoonomy will not cycle back up and grow.

Government can only lay the groundwork of economic inventives to promote private sector growth.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 02:15 PM
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23. According to one anti-Obama nut...
he simply needs to declare more jobs.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 02:23 PM
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24. The Bush tax cuts haven't expired.......yet
So why aren't THEY creating more jobs????!!! :silly: *at least that's something that somebody ought to be asking the Republicans.....not that they will, of course.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 02:34 PM
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25. CCC
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 05:43 PM
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27. If the President could create jobs that easily, then why didn't Bush do it in 2008?
He could have created millions of jobs to offset those lost in the financial debacle, and handed McCain and the Republicans the easy victory.


Maybe it's not that easy? Naw, screw it. The President can create hundreds of thousands, millions, of new jobs, with the snap of his fingers.

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