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kerrywins Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 03:57 PM
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Why Won't Obama Push to End The Patriot Act and Homeland Security?
Both violate our rights heavily.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 03:59 PM
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1. Ask him...
Anything else is pure speculation. He may have valid reasons, but we'll never know unless he is asked.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:03 PM
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5. Of if he is to busy picking up his peace prize to answer such, you
Can always refer the matter to his pacifist friend, Dr Kissinger, who serves as one of Obama's advisers.
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kerrywins Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:05 PM
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7. hehehe...
thats true...Kissinger, a man you can always count on.....


for war and a beautiful police state.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:07 PM
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9. That was substantive and constructive.
:eyes:
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kerrywins Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:13 PM
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14. Kissinger, advisor to the stars (Clinton, Bush, Obama)
here you are sir...your usual....a nice false flag appetizer,
will you be having the same entree? middle eastern war?

and for dessert, sir...a nice police state with golden crust....

very well, sir....
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:35 PM
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24. Oh, he'll be home from receiving the NNP that he
deserves and then she can ask him.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:04 PM
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6. I think we know already
Some things there just is not the political will to take on. Why on earth would Obama be willing to take the political heat that would arise from ending the PATRIOT act? There is very little political harm in keeping the PATRIOT act. There would be hell to pay if he fought to get rid of it.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:02 PM
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2. he who continues endless wars
Edited on Thu Dec-10-09 04:05 PM by truedelphi
yet supposedly was a "community organizer' must have missed the community organizing class on how war never allows for Social Justice, nor does it allow for Civil Rights.

Those who are for war are nver really all that caring for a populace's natural and inalienable rights.
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KrR Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:11 PM
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12. Didn't the American Civil War allow some Social Justice? n/t
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:25 PM
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18. You are right - I should have qualified the wars
World War II allowed for Social Justice as well.

But no war fought since WWII has done anything but strangle our budget, oppress foreign peoples, and add to the growth in the MIC, at an expense to our Civil Rights.

However, in the Vietnam era, we at least had the Fourth Estate (the press) to push for maintaining those rights. Thus the Pentagon Papers were printed, by eighteen different papers and news chains!

Now a days, the newspapers themselves are the problem.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:02 PM
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3. It would not be politically beneficial for him to do so
Just like ending the drug war.
Pot smokers, civil right activist, all, can either vote for Obama or the GOP in 2012.

Obama will always be better then the GOP alternative..
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:05 PM
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8. yeah but I can just smoke some pot
go for a bike ride, but this time not put my absentee ballot in the mailbox and say "fuck it, I live in France now anyways".
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:09 PM
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10. Or there will be someone else worth voting for
Although my electoral vote went to Clinton (96) and Gore (2000), I voted for Nader both times as he represented my views better then the democrats. I might not have done so in a swing state, but I did in safe NYS.

Enjoy France.. Ride that bike around the block once for me please!
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:20 PM
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15. blocks are so american
here the streets are more like a spiderweb, but I will go through the nearest "place" where 6 streets come together for you.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:40 PM
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25. ha!
Please do and enjoy.
Peace and low stress (avoid those cars!)
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:27 PM
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22. "Obama will always be better then the GOP alternative" That I agree with 300%.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:03 PM
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4. May be for the same reason he defends Yoo and accepts the corrupt booosh policy of preemptive war.
Why not ask his owners?
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:11 PM
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11. Wrestling power away from the executive branch is always difficult.
It seems that every president jealously guards those powers, no matter what party they belong to. I had hoped this wouldn't be the case. Apparently, once again, it is.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:23 PM
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16. I don't see Obama cackling with glee jealously guarding it
There is so much on his plate right now.

But the converse is that if we can get Medicare down to 55, it will be hard for future repukes to undo. Some of them would do away with Mediate entirely, and they didn't get that even from Chimpy and a rethug Congress.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:12 PM
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13. the Patriot Act was a zillion pages long
It would take time. There's a bad economy and that takes precedence.

A Congressman could always introduce legislation to repeal it.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:27 PM
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21. Not to mention that there were a number of good initiatives rolled into it -
Democratic sponsored legislation that was pending already, and added to the Patriot Act to ensure passage.

It was a mistake to pass it in the first place, but it must be de-constructed carefully and piecemeal. Individual bills to strip out certain provisions, or to legally separate certain provisions from the Patriot Act so they don't go away when the act expires or is repealed.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:24 PM
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17. How does Homeland Security violate our rights heavily?
I understand the semantic arguments against the vaguely Orwellian name, but...
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:26 PM
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19. Because it's really the NSA who's running the country
Not the President, Congress and/or the Supreme Court. In secret, with no accountability to the citizenry, the NSA ALWAYS gets what it wants.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:26 PM
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20. Afraid of being called weak and soft on terror
You know thats what it is
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:32 PM
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23. Because he supports them?
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 05:44 PM
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30. bingo
you're the first person i think who gets it right.

cognitive dissonance engines are in overdrive in this thread trying to explain away the fact that he hasn't even mentioned dismantling aspects of the patriot act.
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KrR Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:42 PM
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26. Im a big fan of Obama still, but these 2 are certainly
CYA political caluculations in case something were to happen....
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VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:46 PM
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27. End homeland security?
Specifics?
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:47 PM
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28. I don't know.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 05:09 PM
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29. Why do we still have rendition? Why is he protecting John Yoo?
The questions beg for an honest answer.
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 06:25 PM
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31. Because the bosses who own this country told him not to.
They might need those powers to thwart the coming revolution.
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 06:30 PM
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32. Because his "vote" will be on record?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 06:36 PM
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33. Because he lacks political courage. nt
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hileeopnyn8d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 07:44 PM
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34. You can't
just repeal the Patriot Act, unfortunately. It substantially changed (and created) multiple sections of US Code, those can't just be repealed, they have to be dissected out individually.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 01:02 AM
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35. because it would be a waste of time and political capital?
Check out the vote, particularly in the Senate, on the reauthorization of the Patriot Act.
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