Gearing up: David Brock to launch outside group for 2012 (WH sent the message & it's been received)

It's.On.

Only because he use to be one of those right-wing nutjobs. But he really has shown that you can see the light and recognize what a joke the right-wing is and how they use propaganda to accomplish their goals. David Brock is one of the good guys!

:toast:

Soros just gave them a bunch of money so get ready for more (no surprise) crazy beck chalk board/puppet show insanity.

edit to add - This seems like the kind of thing Carville might be good at too. Raise a ton of $$$, James, and come up with some searing ads against Repubs.

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Well...that's a DEFINITE CONVERSION... Amazing to see. Maybe it's good..or maybe...I dunno' :shrug:

I'll never forget the night when he stood up to Bush tool Joe diGenova on Geraldo's old TV show. diGenova plumped up like a Ball Park frank, turned purple with rage.

Thank you David. Thank you.

More money in the system is not the answer for our corrupted finance system and a Congress that works more for special interests than the public interest.

are fighting back. Thank.Gawd.

And, we need a Democratic party that's from the 'Democratic wing' of the party--not more 'Third Way' New Dems and Conservadems

I'm not for setting our candidates up to be punching bags.

Even among Democrats. It's now a money war out there and will be until enough people have lost bad enough that they unilaterally disarm...but I don't see that happening.

I know it will be better spent that the DCCC

up to five. I think most people would want to know about this and it signals Democrats fighting back. I don't get why people on DU would be unrec'ing that. It isn't an attack on any group of Dems or an interest group. It isn't even pro or anti-Obama. I don't know. Just seems odd.

edit to add - of course, after I post this, it gets to 5. Oh, well. I just saw the numbers see saw up and down first.

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bizarre and I'm not a DLC Dem. Who the hell do you think you are? You do not get to define who is or is not a Democrat.

along with foreign governments, and foreign environmental groups, and freindly foreign billionares, except some of the toxic ones. I want us to go hat in hand to the whole freakin world, all in open daylight, and ask for money. Invite the press. It's the only way to destroy Citizens United.

"Common Cause" Website and getting them involved with THEIR EFFORTS FOR PUBLIC FINANCING OF ELECTIONS?

Is he Sending You THERE?

I watched them on C-Span Today: CHECK IT OUT!

Post-Election: What Follows the Money?

We've just come through a $4 billion election, and it wasn't pretty. Wall Street, Big Oil and dozens of secretive new political groups formed to capitalize on the Citizens United decision poured hundreds of millions into our elections. And now the question we're left with is: What do they want in return for their investment?.

Common Cause held an event at the National Press Club this morning (Wednesday, November 10 at 10:00am eastern) to discuss that topic.
Watch the event on C-SPAN.
Join the conversation on CommonBlog.

http://www.commoncause.org/site/pp.asp?c=dkLNK1MQIwG&b=4741359

He does get it. It is no longer a battle of ideas but rather the near complete takeover of our media by the RW. David Brock so gets that.

We need to fight like crazy. That's a good start.

This sounds good on paper, but I'm frightened that my conservative friends across the rows might frame this as a "Liberal Power Grab." Once they get a frame going, we will have no chopice but to go along with it. Voters will think we are power-hungry far lefts.

I'm also scared that mean people in the media might say bad things about us if we do this. The conservative swing voters who we want to be in our base dont really like all this George Soros stuff. In the last election, they said they wanted us to be more like Republicans- not to fight them.

So long as this group does not expect DEMS to do anything far left, I guess I can live with it- but I have serious doubts.

Do we really want to be beholden to a group headed by a gay man (obviously a far left) who is crazy enough to say that the media is not Liberal?

Is this going to be a WINNING centrist effort like all those at the DCCC, or another embarassing far left, Micheal Moore thing?

I have to say that as a centrist, I'm not as excited about this. Seems like it might open us up to a form of Liberal black mail.

We are better off trying to secure donations from patriotic foreign and transnational corporations- at least they will let us be the pragmaitc centrists & conservatives that we MUST BE without complaining about it all the time.

Be smart about it........... There is plenty of money from left leaning organizations, governments and people worldwide who understand that a GOP controlled USA is a menace to world peace. 2012 is death match. If you are a real democrat you are arming yourself to the teeth and ready to fight. The GOP sure is. Once we win and get majorities again we kill Citizens United and do real reform

If we take money fromt he far lefts, next thing you know they will be demanding that we abandom pragmatism in favor of crazy positions that are really, really hard to fight for.

If we just try to get money from the corporations, it will make it easier for us to work with the other side, b/c they will be getting money from some of the same trans-national corporations.

The conservative swing voters in our base seem to already agree with what these corporations want- so we can spend less time fighting.

This seems much more consistent with the recent voter mandate where voters demanded that we all work together. We saw what happened in the last election when we failed to listen to the demands of conservative swing voters.

You're "frightened" by what your conservative friends might say? You're "scared" of mean people in the media? Get a grip, man!

Voters will think we are power-hungry far lefts.

Not like those unselfish heroes McConnell and Boehner.


Do we really want to be beholden to a group headed by a gay man (obviously a far left) who is crazy enough to say that the media is not Liberal?

What does being gay have to do with anything? And the media are corporate, not liberal. They are not our friends.


We are better off trying to secure donations from patriotic foreign and transnational corporations- at least they will let us be the pragmaitc centrists & conservatives that we MUST BE without complaining about it all the time.

That has to be the worst advice I've heard in a long time. For one thing, that opens us up to the charge of foreign influence over our elections. For another, it's unnecessary. There are sufficient donors here at home who will respect us if we stay true to our principles.

I'd just assmue that centrists CENSURE people like the moveons, like we did before.

Associating with these types makes us look like protesting hippies.

As soon as it gets out that we are using far left front groups to attack the new voter mandate, say bye-bye to swing voters & moderates.

In the alternative, the media and the GOP will not attack us quiote as much if we rely on $$$ from established, trusted, transnational & foreign corporations.

we are batted back and forth like my cat does her "fur bunnies." HA! FOR SPORT...the HUNT and then the KILL!

And it is not your place to question my values, whatever they may be at the moment.

We all have the exact same goals too, it's just that we are much more pragmatic.

Unfotunately Our goals are trillions of kms apart. The DLC can shout all it wants that we have mm in common but it ain't fooling no one.

I thought this was serious until half way through.

You'll never underestimate how far the right will go to vaporize a perceived obstacle.

During this Pelosi debate I keep remembering one aspect that Brock emphasized, that conservatives despise women in positions of power, to the point the right wing magazines sell in wild numbers when a woman is mocked on the cover. Throughout the cycle I kept that in mind and concluded our House losses would be more severe than estimated. A guy like Reid is bland and forgettable enough to muffle a zealous stampede to the polls. As much as I like and respect Pelosi I often wish she weren't such a high profile and easily attached target. A male ideological equivalent would be preferable for the bottom line.

and their votes with them and will be replaced by strong, young women to whom Nancy serves as a fantastic role model. I like her just fine as Speaker and wish she were staying and hope she has a chance at the gavel again.

Mostly I've seen you TRASH HER!

What CHANGED for you? :shrug:

Show me one time. I love Pelosi and always have. You must be thinking of someone else. I've never had a bad word to say about her.

I agree with you......

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his conversion. Hopefully, it helps him understand how to fight the RW better.

Post-Election: What Follows the Money?

We've just come through a $4 billion election, and it wasn't pretty. Wall Street, Big Oil and dozens of secretive new political groups formed to capitalize on the Citizens United decision poured hundreds of millions into our elections. And now the question we're left with is: What do they want in return for their investment?.

Common Cause held an event at the National Press Club this morning (Wednesday, November 10 at 10:00am eastern) to discuss that topic.
Watch the event on C-SPAN.
Join the conversation on CommonBlog.

http://www.commoncause.org/site/pp.asp?c=dkLNK1MQIwG&b=4741359

election where one side took full advantage of the disgraceful Citizen's United case and the other side just had to take it. I'd love to have public financing. I'd love to get the Disclose Act passed. HOWEVER, if no changes occur then the Democrats need to be ready to fight back because I'm sure the amount of money the corporations and greedy bastards threw at the Democrats in the 10' elections will look like a pittance compared to what is headed towards us in the 2012 Presidential election.

Yes, the Democrats need to be prepared to fight back.

What do you want the Democratic Presidential nominee and all the Democratic Congressional nominees to do in 2012?

I was reading this thread and I feel like I'm missing something.

Really confused here.

:crazy:

I think you got some s'plainin' to do here, because you are making zero sense! :crazy:

somebody has a f'n plan!

:thumbsup:

time!

Sid

congress needed help it was fine not to use outside groups. We could've done this all along and won back the house in the process instead of trying to fight this.

I'd favor only if money went to liberal Dems --

or DLC or any other right wing corporate group --

In order for me to be interested in this would have to be completely independent of the

Democratic Party and go ONLY to Dem liberals and progressives --

Otherwise, this would remind me of the women's organization -- Emily's List -- which when

it first began gave money to PRO CHOICE candidates BOTH Repug and Dem ....

Unfortunately, there are corporate interests in the Democratic Party now -- an infestation

of them -- and certainly I'm giving no financial support to them!!!