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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 12:42 PM
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The Tax Cuts for the rich are a gift for the Democratic Party.
Stop looking a gift horse in the mouth, Dems.

a) Let the tax cuts expire.
b) Write legislation to give tax cuts to the middle class.
c) The Republicans will probably veto it.
d) Try again and again; the Republicans will probably vote it down.
e) Run on tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts (as the Republicans have always done) for the middle class and point out that the Republicans are hypocrites.
f) Either the Republicans will be shamed into being shown as fools, and pass the tax cuts for the middle class or they will lose in 2012.

There is NO NEED to extend tax cuts for the rich. Nancy Pelosi is absolutely correct.

To try to find middle ground with the Republicans on this, even temporarily, means that the gift horse is stomping all over you, and you are allowing it to do so.


And when I have time, I'll be sending something like this to the White House.



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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 12:47 PM
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1. On the nose!
Why o why can't our elected idiots see this? +1000
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 03:55 PM
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17. No friggen kidding ...
It defies any reason ...
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 12:51 PM
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2. Yup, time to play politics, Barack
The high-minded stuff will send you straight home to Chicago in 2012 if you keep it up.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 12:52 PM
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3. I also think that's the plan
And it's a good one.
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cilla4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 12:56 PM
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6. I wish I could agree
but it sure seems to me like they've fumbled the ball over and over again over the past 2 years. Please convince me otherwise! ;)
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 01:02 PM
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7. Well why don't we just see what happens?
And go from there. I think the OP is right.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 06:29 PM
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19. Ordinary people don't know the rich fat cats are going to benefit from extended tax cuts
Edited on Fri Nov-12-10 06:29 PM by Rosa Luxemburg
will somebody tell them?
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cilla4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 09:42 PM
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26. Yes, I support Pelosi
and the OP!
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 12:52 PM
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4. K&R...n/t
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cilla4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 12:54 PM
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5. I completely agree.
I much prefer letting my tax cuts expire over giving them to the rich. And I keep hearing this from others. Now I'm listening to Bernie Sanders on Hartmann talk about the new Republican congress impeaching Obama! Hopefully that will backfire, but given what we are seeing -- I'm not willinng to bet on it!
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 01:31 PM
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8. To do this though, it needs to be done before the lame duck session ends...
Otherwise we have no power to just put in a bill for the middle class. So a lot of work needs to be done NOW!

I like the idea, but the corporatists are going to "play deaf" and try to run out the clock before the end of the year and then throw up their hands after January and say we have no control of what gets put on the floor of the House then.
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bigmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 02:34 PM
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11. I thought that Presidents can propose legislation.
Am I wrong? Glad to be corrected, if so.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 10:09 PM
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28. The administration can write legislation, but only a member of congress ...........
Edited on Fri Nov-12-10 10:22 PM by Exilednight
can actually introduce the legislation. Typically, and this the way Bush did it with the patriot-act, the administration writes the bill and a member of the president's own party typically signs on and introduces the legislation.

Theoretically, anyone can write legislation - even you and I - but a member of Congress must be willing to introduce it.
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bigmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 02:06 PM
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29. So, Republican control of the House doesn't block introducing legislation.
As long as one congressperson will go along. I realize it won't necessarily be voted on.
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jeff47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 02:52 PM
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13. Bills can still be introduced
A bill can be introduced by any member of Congress. And we still have the majority in the Senate for the next two years.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 03:26 PM
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14. Yeah, I think you're right, but hopefully we could get a clean bill on the floor at least...
which we probably won't if it goes through tons of committees later.

If we really want a good bill to get people on the record for standing against the people, I think we'd best be served by trying to get a good one out now while we still control the House.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 03:55 PM
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16. YES!
This raging, spineless, feckless, weak A clowns SHOULD have been teeing this up 2 flippin months ago ...

They don't put a bill up in the house NOW, and they lose a MAJOR GIFT ... The Rs will have the house and have a bill up that includes the upper tax cuts being permanently extended withing 10 seconds of Boehner getting the gavel, and from that point on, they are back in their comfort zone of making the Ds out to be on the wrong side of taxes ...
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 02:25 PM
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9. i totally agree with your logic
too bad the pres doesn't have the balls to veto it and do it.......
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 02:33 PM
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10. Seems logical, but assumes that Democrats have control of messaging.
Edited on Fri Nov-12-10 02:34 PM by TwilightGardener
Or will suddenly be able to take control. Sadly, this is not the case. This is something the Obama administration needs to improve. They need to take charge of the narrative and define what the Republicans are trying to do in terms of the tax cuts. Some new advisors might help (looking at YOU, Axelrod), because the President is not being well-served by the people he's got now in terms of clear messaging and direction.
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Blasphemer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 02:40 PM
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12. That makes the most sense to me.... nt
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 03:50 PM
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15. They won't have time to write new legislation if they expire. The R's will be in.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 07:33 PM
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20. The objective isn't to pass something. It's to put many on record as being anti-American...
At least against MOST American's in terms of their financial state and how much they get screwed on taxes versus the wealthy and powerful.

The goal simply is to have the bill written very clearly and put before a vote in the House to get those on record on how they stand on it when they vote. We know probably we don't have the votes to get it through the Senate anyway. The key is to set them up so that they are exposed for just being craven supporters of the wealthy's interests and noone else's that they will try to hide otherwise.
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 04:14 PM
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18. It could help Dems but will hurt the people
Edited on Fri Nov-12-10 04:14 PM by krawhitham
And that is why rethugs win they do not care about hurting people. They have no problem blocking the middle class tax cut because they will just spin it away

The rethugs will spin that Obama raised everyone taxes and run with it 24/7

Dems govern for the people while rethugs govern for the political win

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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 07:36 PM
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21. The taxes will be back to where they were when Clinton was in office. How is that bad?
What we're in effect doing is putting more revenue in the government's hands, and giving the Rethuglicans LESS excuses to want to cut programs which they WILL do with universal tax cuts and less revenues and it will hurt most of us that aren't rich first. That's the maze that the Rethuglicans are creating to keep screwing us!

We're better off letting them expire than passing universal tax cuts (and then wind up having more government programs needed by people being cut).
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 07:37 PM
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22. I understand that, but most will fall for rethug/media spin
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 07:38 PM
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23. also I made a lot more when Clinton was in office
How many others are in the same situation?
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 07:49 PM
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25. As I said, if there is MORE debt when the rich have to pay less, then they will have US get screwed
... by taking it out of other social services like unemployment, COBRA discounts, etc.

We ultimately will be the ones that pay to help the rich get richer. THAT is the master plan.

It really is how we use the House these last few weeks to put together the right bill, and subsequently Obama MUST use the bully pulpit to properly go after those who vote against this bill that would hopefully make it clear on who's working against us and who's working for us. Unless we do that now, we'll never get to have that test before 2012 and maybe not after that either.
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 09:57 PM
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27. exactly. n/t
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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 07:38 PM
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24. Was thinking the same thing. Dead on, tabatha. Turn this around
on them. Never turn around and take it up the bum, give it twice as hard back.
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