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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 09:14 AM
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Van Jones' msg to liberals: Don't give in to despair!
It’s your victories that give you your confidence but it’s your setbacks that give you your character.

Van Jones' msg to liberals: Don't give in to despair! (w/PHOTOS)

by Eclectablog

Last week in Ann Arbor, Van Jones spoke at the Ecology Center's 40th anniversary. Held on the campus of the University of Michigan, the event was a fundraiser but also an opportunity for Van Jones to share his thoughts on Michigan's role in the environmental movement, the success of places like the Ecology Center and why now is not the time for progressive liberals to give in to despair. In fact, NOW, he said, is the time when we're most needed.

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He started out talking about the role Michigan has played in the environmental movement as well as progressives' self esteem issues.

Michigan is the place that is both the wellspring for our industrial prowess as a nation but it’s also the wellspring for our environmental consciousness. Same special place. People talk about the rust belt aspect but they overlook the blue belt aspect. We’ve got more fresh water here and better-protected than any place else in the world. So there’s a reason that the work of the Ecology Center is so important and the work than many of do here as allies of the Ecology Center is so important. Because the future of our country, and really for our planet, hinges right here in Michigan. This is the "Flex Point" and part of the challenge I think we have as a movement is that we’ve got low self-esteem. And I say that because when the other side takes a hit, they get MAD. When WE take a hit, we get sad.

It’s your victories that give you your confidence but it’s your setbacks that give you your character.
I have a son. He's six years old. He is an EXTRAORDINARY soccer player. I know you think YOUR son is an extraordinary soccer player – I'm sure you do – but MY son is an AMAZING soccer player! And I'm expecting to retire early as soon as he finishes grade school and goes professional. But we never worry about him when he wins. We worry about him when he loses. That's when the parenting matters the most. It's when he misses a shot and wants to stomp off the field and go home. That's when we've got to say, "Hold on a sec. You're not going to win every game. You're not going to make every shot. But you've got to have the character to take a loss, learn the lesson and then get back out there."

And that's what we've got to do as a movement, folks. We've got to be able to take these moments and use them to build ourselves up. That's where we are. And you already have created here a politics that, if we are going to save the earth, the politics you've have created here will be a key, not just in this country but in countries around the world. And not just in this state but in states across America.


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He went on to talk about one of these victories in particular:

What am I talking about? I'm talking about the incredible miracle you get no credit for. But you created a miracle for this country in 2009 when you were able to build enough of a consensus around John Dingell to help him move from being one of the biggest obstructionist forces for sane climate policy -- because he was concerned about workers, not because he hated the environment, but because he was concerned about workers – that he'd sit there, he had the key in his hand to move things forward in the House or keep things where they were. And because of people in this room and because of your commitment and your understanding that this could be good for workers. And it could be good for kids with asthma inhalers in their pocket. That it could be good for public health. You were able to build a way of thinking and talking that let him do the right thing. As a result of your commitment and your understanding about balancing all of these issues, because your holistic, ecological approach, you were able to open the doorway to the US House of Representatives passing, for the first time ever, a comprehensive climate bill.

Now, just because things got stuck on stupid in the Senate, you don't stomp off the court. That was an extraordinary victory. And it creates a blueprint – or "greenprint" – for every other state and city and elected leader to find their way to a good place. So just because we didn't get it all done in the past 18 months doesn't mean that you haven't been successful. And that is, I think, an important thing for us to take away from this past two years.

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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 09:21 AM
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1. Don't give in to despair is as lame an election slogan as Hope was.
Although it is the logical result.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 09:25 AM
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2. That's the spirit
This would make a great bumper sticker: "Don't give in to despair is as lame an election slogan as Hope was."

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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 09:33 AM
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3. Or you can just rework your headline: "No Despair 2012"
That should stir the electorate again.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 09:41 AM
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4. It's more positive than
"No Hope 2012"

What's is it with people who are pissed at the world that they believe everyone should be too?

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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 09:46 AM
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5. It may have something to do with war, civil liberties and the economy.
Just a hunch though.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 09:48 AM
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6. Maybe
but I was more pissed in 2006 and 2008, and my attitude is improving daily, not getting worse.


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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 09:50 AM
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7. That's an interesting observation.
I will do a little reflection on my attitudes.
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 10:05 AM
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8. Hee. They gave up when they were still OPTIMISTIC. You want them to not give up now??
What would they write in the blogs???
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 10:12 AM
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9. Dems are not going to get 'fired up' until they see their President fight for the American people.
Edited on Tue Nov-23-10 10:13 AM by flpoljunkie
We are waiting.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 10:21 AM
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10. " We are waiting."
Edited on Tue Nov-23-10 10:27 AM by ProSense
I'm not waiting. I don't equate loudmouthism with fighting. This was days before the election:

Obama blasts Republicans, calls for cooperation

I find the calls from Senators Brown and Sanders for the President to call out Republicans a useful strategy, but to claim than the President isn't fighing is ignoring everything that he does.

I consider this fighting, extremely effective, and a lot more productive that the above.


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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 10:37 AM
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11. This is my opinion. You are, of course, entitled to yours.
I also do not equate fighting with 'loudmouthism.' That is a cheap shot.

President Obama must lead. We are waiting.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 10:46 AM
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12. No, it wasn't a cheap shot
Edited on Tue Nov-23-10 10:53 AM by ProSense
How did the administration accomplish anything in your opinion if the President isn't leading?

His policies and agenda are writing themselves? His administration is on auto pilot?

Yesterday HHS announced the MLR rules. Is Kathleen Sebelius leading while the President is not?

I suppose the trade deal with India just dropped into his lap.

It's easy for people to say he needs to lead. Those same people said that during the entire health care debate while he was fighting the Chamber of Commerce and the health industry for nearly a year.

They blamed him for killing a bill before it was signed into law. They blamed him for weaking and obstructing his own bill before he signed Wall Street reform into law. Now they're saying it's stronger than they originally thought.

During the campaign when he attacked the Chamber of Commerce, where were these critics?

On edit: You know if this Politico headline was "Anybody chides Obama" it would be at the top of the front page here:

Barack Obama chides Republicans on START

No one really cares when the President says a damn thing about Republicans, they only care to portray his accomplishments as "caving."
In other words, what he says doesn't matter, but when he gets down to the business of governing, he's caving.

Stimulus, cave.

Health care, cave.

Wall Street Reform, cave.

Everything is cave because it got done.

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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 10:54 AM
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13. Again, this is my opinion. You are entitled to yours.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 11:28 AM
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16. Sounds rather passive to me
On your part. You are waiting to be led? Even dangerous.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 11:55 AM
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17. Me personally, no.
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de novo Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 11:14 AM
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14. Too bad his former boss didn't heed those words we he canned him.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 11:26 AM
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15. He actually addressed this
Edited on Tue Nov-23-10 11:26 AM by ProSense
From the OP link

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He talked about his role in the Obama administration:

Everybody's down on D.C., down on this president. I'm going to be very clear because sometimes people make the wrong assumptions about it with regard to my relationship with the president and my feelings about him. Wherever I go, I have this experience. At the mall. The Airport. Public restrooms. You know, the mean people they don't say anything at all. It's the NICE people that kill you, right?! I mean, there I am in the bathroom, minding my own business. I mean REALLY minding my very own business. And somebody is like "Ohh! Oh!" And I'm like, "Oh, boy. Here it comes."

"Aren't you... Aren't you ... the Green Guy?!"

This is post-racial America here, ya know?! "YES! Now that you mention it, I AM the Green Guy in some strange way."

Then after a few seconds, they go, "OH! I'm SO sorry! I saw what they did to you. It was terrible! It was awful! I saw it!" And then I have to console them ... "Oh, it's okay, hold on. You'll get there, it's all right... Wait, why am I consoling YOU???!

But, actually, I look at it very, very differently. I got to spend six months in the White House, okay? Which is six months longer than YOU! And it was an incredible honor to be able to serve. What I would say to anybody, especially some of the younger people, if you ever have the opportunity to serve, and you are guaranteed, in the contract, to have exactly the same kind of rough exit that I had, do it.

Because you think you love your country now, and you do. But hold it in your arms for six months. Read the reports. Brief the people a step ahead of you. You see the kind of peril that we're in. Economically, ecologically. All the stuff that people stand out on street corners and screech about and you say, "Oh, that person's crazy." Well the thing about it is that they are just as concerned as anybody in this room about that stuff. I mean, they can say whatever they want to about it on Fox News, but the Pentagon has scenarios that look scarier than yours.

Hold in your arms for six months. I got a chance to go behind the curtain. Very few people with my kind of colorful political background, running around in my 20s as a Bezerkley Bay Area radical, very few people of my colorful political background get a chance to grow up and take a job like that. And, what I know for sure is that the road ahead of us forks very sharply. If we want to be able to lead the world, not in pollution but in the solutions, we've gotta actually take ourselves a lot more seriously. We've gotta be louder about the things we've done but also that need help, that we want to lift up.

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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 12:09 PM
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18. I saw him try to get that message across to Cenk
Cenk basically tried to get Van Jones to bash Obama and when he didn't play the game, he was talked over and ignored.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 12:12 PM
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20. Not surprising.
Cenk has a habit of repeating his talking points without hearing what his guests are saying.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 12:11 PM
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19. Yes, the movement has major self-esteem issues.
We convince ourselves we're going to lose even before we start the fight. Doom-and-gloom cynicism has never helped any movement succeed.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 12:37 PM
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21. I think it may be more disappointment than despair...
Just my opinion.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 04:30 PM
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22. More anger than despair here...nt
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grumgrum Donating Member (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 06:58 PM
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23. Disappointment is the Correct Emotion -- Obama does NOT fight for Us...hence: Disappointment
I am not for Hillary so for 2012 i am hoping for a real progressive challenger, otherwise i will stay home since i just cant pull myself to vote for someone who will do anything for the right and the scraps for the left.
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grumgrum Donating Member (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 07:06 PM
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24. ProSense: I've gotta ask - Do you think Obama is a Great President + Genuinely Fighting 4 the People
I respect your unending optimisim in Obama but i just am a bit puzzled how you defend Obama even his record shows he is more for status quo e.g. the WH fought against the Public Option behind the scenes and made disastrous deals with Insurers/Big Pharma (12 year patents and no price negotiations is also a big thank you to big business). I understand

Obama has to do bad things to get stuff passed but honestly i would respect a man that stood up and fought for his principles and failed than to comprmise them away to say s/he got a win.

The day Obama governs like how Howard Dean or Alan Grayson would -- as a Fighter is the day Obama will have my respect and my re-election vote. Sure Dean/Grayson may not have a chance of being elected but at least they wont sell their souls...and i respect that.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 07:18 PM
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25. For asking that question, and
since you seem to know me so well:

"I respect your unending optimisim in Obama but i just am a bit puzzled how you defend Obama even his record shows he is more for status"

Some reading material: here and here.

Draw your own conclusions (beyond the ones you've already drawn).

"The day Obama governs like how Howard Dean or Alan Grayson would..."

How do you know how they would govern? With all due respect to Dean and Grayson, that's utterly laughable.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 08:14 PM
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26. kick
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