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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 11:41 AM
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Study: The missing mid-term Obama voters .... were the MODERATES.
Democrats Try to Crack Mystery of the Missing Voters
NOVEMBER 23, 2010

A popular theory of this year's midterm election holds that Democrats took a shellacking in part because big chunks of the party's core liberal base, discouraged at the path of the Obama administration, stayed home rather than show up to vote as they did in 2008.

It's an interesting narrative. It also doesn't appear to be entirely accurate.

While it's correct that some key parts of the Democratic coalition—young voters and African-Americans among them—didn't perform as they did in 2008, evidence emerging as the dust settles from this month's election suggests the bigger hole in the side of the Democratic ship came from moderates in the political center who didn't show up. (Those absences were in addition to the wave of independent swing voters also from the center who, exit polls showed, turned out but switched their votes to the Republicans.)

The case of the missing voters is important because how it is resolved will go a long way toward determining how Democrats respond to their midterm woes. If they conclude, as some argue, that the problem was an undermotivated liberal base, then the logical reaction would be a turn to the left and a staunch resistance to compromises with the Republicans who now control the House and hold expanded power in the Senate.

If, on the other hand, the conclusion is that the voters lost were moderates who got aboard the Barack Obama Express in 2008 but missed the train at the station this time, then that would argue for a political and policy strategy designed to appeal to the center of the electorate. And that might suggest more willingness to seek compromises in the middle.

Let's look at some evidence. The latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll sifted out a group of voters who said they cast ballots in 2008 but didn't vote this year. They do tend to be a bit younger than the overall average of voters. And as a group they like Mr. Obama noticeably more than do voters as a whole, and they tend to identify themselves as Democrats, which suggests that, as suspected, many would have been Democratic voters had they shown up.

But they also were more likely to identify themselves as "not very strong Democrats" rather than "strong Democrats." And the largest share identified their ideology as moderate rather than liberal.

A more direct study of these 2010 no-shows was undertaken by Third Way, a think tank for moderate Democrats, and Lincoln Park Strategies, a Democratic polling firm. They surveyed 1,000 Obama voters who abandoned Democrats in 2010. Half of them were "switchers" who moved their votes to the Republicans this time, while the other half were "droppers" who simply dropped out of the voting this year.

That survey found that, while the droppers were a bit more liberal than 2010 voters as a whole, they were split in almost precise thirds into liberals, moderates and conservatives. Moreover, just 42% identified themselves as Democrats, while 40% were independents and 8% were Republicans. Almost a quarter of them voted for Republican George W. Bush in 2004.

Nor were the droppers largely minority voters, as the popular stereotype might suggest. Eight in 10 were white, while just 7% were African-American and 5% Latino.

In other words, those who stayed home don't, as a whole, fit the profile of a disgruntled liberal base. Instead, they lean toward a profile of a group of centrist voters who weren't motivated this time. Indeed, as that would suggest, the droppers were pretty much split down the middle on whether their concern was that Mr. Obama and the Democrats didn't try to have government do more (45%), or whether they tried to have government do too much (39%).

"The Obama voters who stayed home in 2010 encompass more than the Democratic base," concludes the study of these voters. "And disappointment that Obama didn't go farther was not a major factor in their reasons for staying home."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703559504575630453372436666.html


Long story short, as I suspected, folks didn't vote because Obama wasn't on the ballot ... while he'll obviously motivate cons to vote against him in '12 ... the GOP is foolish if it thinks this years mid-terms was an endorsement of their party and their chances of beating Barack Obama out of the White House was strengthened.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 11:44 AM
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1. BULLSHIT media talking points just another reason to keep saying he's got to go RIGHT
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 11:50 AM
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4. So you think the people who didn't show up were liberals and progressives?
I'm more suspect because they included this a validation:

A more direct study of these 2010 no-shows was undertaken by Third Way, a think tank for moderate Democrats, and Lincoln Park Strategies, a Democratic polling firm. They surveyed 1,000 Obama voters who abandoned Democrats in 2010.


Most polls show smaller turnout among African Americans and young people. Could they be mostly moderates? Sure. Is it likely they were rejecting Democrats? No. This is typical for a mid-term. The biggest factor was the increase in conservative voters.

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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 11:52 AM
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5. That's what Big Ed and Cenk have been telling us
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 12:03 PM
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7. Big Eddie gets all of his news from the back of Fruity Pebbles box.
Edited on Tue Nov-23-10 12:03 PM by Clio the Leo
Big Ed is a peanut head ... and Cenk is his lil baby peanut head friend.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 01:45 PM
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15. ROFL
:spray:
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 05:12 PM
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17. And yet so many of his election warnings came true. n/t
n/t
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 07:48 AM
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25. You mean the predictions that most political historians made before Obama even took office?
Edited on Wed Nov-24-10 07:49 AM by JTFrog
Color me unimpressed. Again.

A couple of former conservative, now so-called liberal, pundits sure have found their golden ticket with this angry populist shtick.



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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 11:44 AM
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2. However, the Republicans will walk and talk like they have a mandate...
And they will fight for every crazy policy they have been fighting for over the last 30 years.

The Democrats will try to compromise.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 11:47 AM
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3. Sounds pretty accurate to me
The country doesn't want to lurch to the far left and they showed it. Once baby boomers are no longer a voting factor, things may start shifting left. But not until then.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 12:14 PM
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9. The old folks who voted in this election are not boomers.
Boomers start in the year 1946. Which means they are now 64 years old and most are not retired and won't be until they're 66.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 01:20 PM
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13. The point is that the older you are, and the more money you have
the more likely you are to vote, whether you're retired or whatever. Baby Boomers are the largest demographic out there right now and they skew conservative coming back into line with age with their Greatest Generation parents. Boomers will continue to dominate elections for the next 15 - 20 years or until they start dying in significant numbers that they are less a force.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 06:38 AM
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22. how would they know they don't want to go left?
it's not like that's where Obama event tried to take America anywhere NEAR left
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 11:54 AM
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6. They cant even look at their data and see them objectively. More people did not vote because Obama
Edited on Tue Nov-23-10 12:01 PM by Mass
did not do enough (45 %)than because he did too much (39%) (This is what their article says), so how do they go to their conclusion that people wanted the government to do less?

Talk about people having an agenda. Most of their data are not analyzed properly, because it would not support their analysis. The truth is that different groups of people did not go to vote, for different reasons. And it is up to president Obama to decide whether he is more interested by the left wing of his supporters or the right wing of his supporters, and this will decide what he will do.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 12:08 PM
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8. Good luck with that.
n.t.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 12:30 PM
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10. Several possible conclusions
The dominant one is that you don't win when your own supporters don't show up, especially in a year when the opposition does.

Additionally, there is the reality that it is hard to appeal to the "middle". The middle doesn't agree with each other and it will be a rough split between those that think you went too far, and those that think you didn't go far enough. The best you can do is to "keep your half".

Another lesson here is that the "kids" don't show up. I seem to remember this can be true on both sides. First time voters, and young voters, are the ones who will most quickly skip the next election.

"The Middle" is very fickle and I really don't think there is alot of mileage in trying to "appeal" to them with any specific policy. It's more image than substance and I strongly suspect that, despite their claims in polls, they are predominately attracted to success, regardless of what kind of success that is. You can be hard right or left, as long as you appear, at least, to be successful.
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grumgrum Donating Member (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 12:35 PM
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11. Funny thing is Obama's governing has been VERY, VERY Center-Right..NOT Left.
Remember that many voted for Obama in hopes of getting left agenda through (progressive ideas). Obama went center-right with virtually everything....so lets see...those moderates who voted him in specifically for progressive change are now voting against him because he is NOT doing what he promised and somehow this is suppose to be spun that it was because he went too far left....this article is BS.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 01:20 PM
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 01:26 PM
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14. "Obama went center-right with virtually everything"
Say anything. Facts
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-10 05:10 PM
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16. Could you expand on your one word response? 'Facts', what facts?
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 02:23 AM
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18. Oh, good luck. nt
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Axrendale Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:50 AM
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19. The word "facts"
is hyperlinked to a site that details Obama's numerous progressive accomplishments as President.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 06:38 AM
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23. LOLOLOL
not from THAT one :rofl:
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 07:51 AM
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26. Internet 101: Click link and read.
I know that's probably a bit complicated, but that's how it works.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 05:06 AM
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20. I dunno....63 House seats is a record going back 7 decades.
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Marsala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 06:15 AM
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21. Yeah, it was the apathetic voters who don't really care
The same ones who haven't even heard that the Republicans won the House.
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 06:41 AM
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24. Occam's Razor
We all seem to think that everyone is just like us...glued to our computers or cable news to hear every little tidbit of information. And now the endless ranting of why this happened.....

Here's why...the midterms never, NEVER EVER draw as many people as the presidential elections. There simply is not the motivation or the publicity, all the hoopla or the effort made to get people out to vote. It is hard enough to get people to vote for president, you just can't do it when they hardly know who's running.

So why did the republicans win...because they tend to be more responsible when it comes to voting. I would bet that in high school, more future democrats skipped class occasionally, than future republicans. The college age democrats are more likely to sleep in and forget to vote. The republicans make it a point to vote...that's why they become bankers and stock brokers...they are capable of getting up early. That rebellious democratic behavior goes into adulthood...I know...I'm a democrat. I don't wear my seat belt, I blatantly take the tags off my mattresses, I don't floss everyday, etc.

Saying the election was a referendum on Obama is just plain wrong.
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