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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 11:27 PM
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Imagine the conversation a Dem rep has with a constituent after killing off HCR- or just read this:
"This is quite a system. What do you call it?"

by isamuel, Thu Dec 10, 2009 at 05:21:01 PM EST

The Senate seems set to kill off the public option in exchange for a package of compromises on other issues. This is going to cause understandable heartburn among progressives, but do we really think that a member of Congress should vote against the whole bill if it's this compromise or nothing?

How would such a Congressperson explain that decision to one of her constituents? Consider:


Jane: So, Congresswoman, what's going to happen with health care in this country?

Rep.: Well, Jane, I've got good news and bad news.

Jane: Uh oh. Better start with the bad news.

Rep.: The bad news is, the health care bill isn't going to pass because I've decided to vote against it. And I'm the critical swing vote.

Jane: Oh, no. Really?



Rep.: Yes. You see, I'm just not convinced that it's a good bill. For example, what do you do?

Jane: I'm a cashier at the local Wal-mart.

Rep.: And do you have a family?

Jane: Yes. I'm raising two kids by myself.

Rep.: Must be hard. Do you have health insurance?

Jane: No, I don't. See, my employer doesn't offer it, but I can't afford to buy it. An individual plan is incredibly expensive. I was looking forward to health care reform because I thought it would have changed that. Wasn't it supposed to give me access to a health insurance exchange where everyone paid the same price?

Rep.: Well, yes and no.

Jane: Yes and no?

Rep.: I don't know how much you make, but it's quite possible you wouldn't have been on the exchange.

Jane: Oh, that doesn't sound too good. Maybe this bill was bad after all. Why wouldn't I?

Rep.: You might have gotten health care for free.

Jane: For free?

Rep.: Sure. The bill had a big expansion of Medicaid benefits so that if you're a working person without much money, you might have had access to government health insurance. No charge.

Jane: I thought the bill didn't have a public option.

Rep.: Oh, it didn't. That's why I voted against it.

Jane: But you just said I might have gotten free government health insurance.

Rep.: Right. But if you made more money, you might have lost it! Once you weren't eligible for Medicaid, you'd have to buy private insurance.

Jane: Yikes. Or what?

Rep.: Or you pay a fine.

Jane: That seems unfair. The government requires me to buy something and doesn't even give me any help?

Rep.: Oh, no, you would have gotten big help paying for it. Major subsidy.

Jane: Oh. Well, still, even with a subsidy, we all know how much insurance plans cost.

Rep.: Actually, they would have cost a lot less. Remember, everyone would have been paying the same price, and insurance companies would have been required to spend 90% of the money on health care.

Jane: I see. So you voted against this because there was no public option?

Rep.: Absolutely. It's just unfair to make someone buy something they can't afford.

Jane: And the public plan would have been free?

Rep.: No. It would have been financed through premiums.

Jane: So I would have had to buy health insurance anyway.

Rep.: You bet. That's how we get universal coverage.

Jane: But the public plan would have cost less because it would have been financed by the government, right?

Rep.: No way! It's a level playing field. That's why I was so excited to vote for it.

Jane: What does that mean?

Rep.: Basically, the public plan would have had to compete on the same terms as every other health insurance company, and be financed entirely through premiums you paid.

Jane: So why is it better?

Rep.: Because making you give money to health insurance companies is bad.

Jane: Oh, right. Because they can deny me coverage based on pre-existing conditions and charge me more because I'm a woman. That does sound bad, truthfully.

Rep.: Actually, the bill I'm voting against would have outlawed that. People couldn't be denied coverage because of pre-existing conditions anymore.

Jane: This is a lot to take in.

Rep.: You ready for the good news?

Jane: I could use some.

Rep.: The good news is, now that health care didn't pass, you don't have to buy insurance!

Jane: I don't?

Rep.: Nope. You can keep living just like you have been---with no insurance at all.

Jane: That's the good news?

Rep.: Absolutely. Wouldn't it have been awful to be forced to buy health insurance? I mean, those awful insurance companies.

Jane: But I want health insurance. That's the point! Where am I going to get it now?

Rep.: From a health insurance company.

Jane: You said giving money to health insurance companies was bad.

Rep.: Oh, the worst.

Jane: Do I get any help paying for it?

Rep.: No.

Jane: Can they deny me coverage because of a pre-existing condition?

Rep.: Yes.

Jane: Can they charge me more because I'm a woman?

Rep.: Absolutely.

Jane: And lifetime caps?

Rep.: I'd read the fine print.

Jane: This is quite a system.

Rep.: I'll say.

Jane: What do you call it?

Rep.: From now on? Liberalism.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2009/12/10/17211/322




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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 12:11 AM
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1. Nice, I'll give it a kick and recommend
We should fight for the best we can get and once we get there it should be signed. There is always going to be room for improvement and tweeks. The truth is we don't know what kind of things might need to be changed down the road. If improvements need to be made, we will fight for them.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 05:00 AM
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4. And after that, we need to start pushing to make it better
The battle for health care reform really only begins with the first bill being signed into law.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 02:55 PM
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6. The first bill was signed into law in 1965. And it SHOULD have been signed into law in 1947
So how long do we wait again?
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:58 PM
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7. If the HCR bill is killed this year, you will wait another 20 years before it even begins
We have not even begun yet.

It took to 1972 before Medicare started getting good.

So we're looking at 2016 IF a bill is passed this year before reform really starts happening. Otherwise it will be 2036.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 04:53 PM
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8. I'm not counting on the DLC to improve ANYTHING
They haven't improved NAFTA yet, and that was 1993. Nor do they have any intention of improving it.

And once they have mandated corporate health insurance for everyone, they will never see a need to improve that either, because to them, privatized everything IS "perfect".

So a bad health care bill now is a bad health care bill FOREVER. There will not be a good one, unless we insist on it NOW.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 05:08 PM
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9. Now you pull out the DLC bogeyman
:eyes:

The DLC has no real power in the Democratic Party and had little when they were at the height of their power. That you turn them into a bogeyman is reminiscent of how the left made Karl Rove out to be some super genius in control of everything.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:58 AM
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2. Amusing read.
I'd rather not be forced to subsidize healthcare profiteers, but that train left the station a while ago... either the bill goes through and I'm forced to support it, or it doesn't.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 04:30 AM
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3. Your comment resonates with me, and I sense your ambivalence.
Edited on Sun Dec-13-09 04:31 AM by truedelphi
Gary Larson had this cartoon one time, and it showed someone staring down a hallway that was guarded by Satan.

And he could go through one of two doors, although both doors had an equally awful hellishness portrayed behind them.

The caption read, "Damned if you do, damned if you don't."

And that is where we the consumers are at right now. While the insurance industry, Big Medicine and Big Pharma are all quite assured of a place in economic heaven!

And with that much more in profits, they can guarantee that those sold-out legislators of ours will have another term at the till as well!
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 10:31 AM
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5. kick
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