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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:22 PM
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Brad DeLong: Ten Things on Which Matt Taibbi Really Does Not Know What He Is Talking About
Edited on Sun Dec-13-09 03:23 PM by ProSense

Ten Things on Which Matt Taibbi Really Does Not Know What He Is Talking About

It's hard to know how seriously one is supposed to take a Matt Taibbi who begins:

Obama's Big Sellout: Barack Obama ran for president as a man of the people, standing up to Wall Street as the global economy melted down in that fateful fall of 2008. He pushed a tax plan to soak the rich, ripped NAFTA for hurting the middle class and tore into John McCain for supporting a bankruptcy bill that sided with wealthy bankers "at the expense of hardworking Americans." Obama may not have run to the left of Samuel Gompers or Cesar Chavez, but it's not like you saw him on the campaign trail flanked by bankers from Citigroup and Goldman Sachs. What inspired supporters who pushed him to his historic win was the sense that a genuine outsider was finally breaking into an exclusive club, that walls were being torn down, that things were, for lack of a better or more specific term, changing...

Ummm... No. Barack Obama ran as a post-partisan African-American technocrat. His campaign fundraisers were chock-full of people from the left investment banks--you know, those people who spend 3/4 of their time making money and 1/4 of their time working to elect politicians who will tax them at higher rates because you were slaves to Pharoah in the land of Egypt, and for other reasons. The policy advisors on his conference calls during the campaign were the--very good assistant secretaries, undersecretaries, and secretaries from the Clinton administration. Barack Hussein Obama was out in front in support of Paulson's plan (which was remarkably effective in softening the downturn) to shovel government money at the bankers in the fall of 20098.

When an author is apparently as clueless as to what was going on a year ago as Matt Taibbi is, one has to wonder just how seriously one is supposed to take anything he writes. It's a purple rhetorical exercise in overstatement--we hope;

But in case anyone is tempted to take its truthiness as truth, its factoids as facts, let me lay down ten markers. I could lay down 50:

  1. The financial reform bill that just passed the House is not nearly as strong a bill as the Treasury wanted. The reason is not that Obama and Geithner did not push for a stronger bill, but rather that the members of congress balked at a stronger bill.

  2. Citigroup did not receive a $306 billion bailout as the first major act of Obama's presidency. First, where does the $306 billion number come from? The number I associate with Citigroup is $45 billion of TARP money. Certainly Citigroup would be bust and gone if not for government aid extended to it during George W. Bush's presidency--aid that Obama endorsed--but it now looks as though Citigroup will pay everything back: that the government will profit from the aid it extended to Citigroup.

  3. James P. Rubin is not James S. Rubin.

  4. The James Rubin whom Mike Froman brought in to staff the economic policy search was not Bob Rubin's son.

  5. The Obama economic policy inner circle--Tim Geithner, Gene Sperling, Larry Summers, Christie Romer, Peter Orszag--is not "a group of Wall Street bankers." It is only 5% Wall Street banker--only 1/4 of Larry Summers can possibly count as a Wall Street banker.

  6. Mike Froman staffed the economic policy search. Mike Froman--a very smart and capable man--did not lead the economic policy search. He was not some corrupt Svengali who foisted advisors who would whisper evil in the innocent Obama's ear. Obama led the economic policy search.

  7. Austan Goolsbee's absence from the transition staff was not notable. Austan Goolsbee does have a senior subcabinet appointment. And Austan Goolsbee is not a voice on the economic left--this is the man who told the Canadians not to take Barack Obama's claims that he wanted to renegotiate NAFTA seriously. I don't kknow the story of Karen Kornbluh.

  8. Ah. Taibbi says: "the government also agrees to charge taxpayers for up to $277 billion in losses on troubled Citi assets." First of all, $277 + $45 = $322, not $306. But a guarantee is not money at risk and money at risk is not money lost. As I said, it looks like the government is going to make money off of its support of Citi. (Albeit not off its support of AIG.)

  9. Tim Geithner was not hired as Treasury Secretary by Mike Froman. Tim Geithner was hired as Treasury Secretary by Barack Obama.

  10. According to CBO, the ARRA so far is not worth 640,000 extra jobs as of September 2009 but rather 1.1 million plus or minus 500,000--and that number will grow.
Why oh why can't we have a better press corps?



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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:29 PM
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1. I like Taibbi and there's usually some truth to what he says, but
I LOVE seeing the points on which he's mistaken highlighted one by one. By reading both, I get a better understanding for what's going on. Thanks for this -- recommend!
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 08:40 PM
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49. what rove says usually has some truth as well
the amount of truth and its importance are whats being presented.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:31 PM
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2. Oh the internal pain and strife you must be going through
to paint Matt Taibbi as a know nothing Obama haterade!!!!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:33 PM
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6. "pain and strife"? I consider myself
a lot different from teabaggers: I value facts and people who advance them.

"James P. Rubin is not James S. Rubin."

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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:35 PM
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9. Out of a 5 page article
that is all you got. A mistake Taibbi copped to immediately. But you would rather take the word of a former employee of Larry Summers. At least I know where you stand.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:39 PM
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17. Pathetic excuse for an error-riddled piece.
Hey, but feel free to consider Taibbi a credible source.

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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:43 PM
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21. Other than the Rubin mistake
cite examples of any errors. Please I am open to hearing them. Or continue to lob ad hominem attacks at Taibbi's piece, I have a feeling that is what you would rather do.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:44 PM
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23. Step out of denial and read the OP again. n/t
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:45 PM
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24. I read something from a source I dont find credible
based on his cozy relationship with Larry Summers but if it makes you feel better so be it.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 06:11 PM
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36. Brad DeLong is a respected academic, Keynesian economist.
I would trust what he says long before I would trust some hack working for Rolling Stone. I honestly don't get columnist worship. Think for yourself for goodness sakes.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 10:30 PM
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59. he's a neo-liberal, free trade advocate, admirer of Milton Friedman
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 10:42 AM
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67. It's not like he had an agenda or anything
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 06:34 PM
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39. No shit, he must have hit a huge nerve bundle.
This level of bus-undering is usually reserved for Dennis or other really high-profile "haters".
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 09:50 AM
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65. class, this post is a textbook case of projection....
:rofl:
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 10:41 AM
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66. as if on cue... n/t
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:31 PM
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3. 'It's not all the president's fault,' Suze Orman says
'It's not all the president's fault,' Suze Orman says
Posted: December 13th, 2009 03:23 PM ET

From CNN Associate Producer Martina Stewart


Washington (CNN) – On the eve of a White House meeting where President Obama is expected to encourage the nation’s largest lenders to loosen up credit, personal finance expert Suze Orman says Obama should not get all of the blame for how some banks have behaved in the last year.

“It’s not all the president’s fault,” Orman said Sunday on CNN’s State of the Union.

“You can pass every law that you want. You can try to do anything in the world – give these institutions money - if they don’t help their customers, what are you going to do about it?” Orman told CNN Chief National Correspondent John King.

“I think a big part of this problem falls right back to the banks especially those with credit cards,” Orman also told King.

Asked what she would say if she had a seat at Monday’s meeting with the heads of the nation’s largest banks, Orman let loose.

“I would say: ‘Bankers, what in the world is the matter with you? You took taxpayers’ dollars in order to survive. You are giving out bonuses now. You are acting like nothing is wrong. Some of your stocks have increased in value from their low(s). However, you are not serving the people that you should be serving.

“In my opinion, bankers,” Orman continued, “you are serving your own bottom lines and shame on you! And if you don’t get your act together, if you don’t start helping those that need loan modifications, if you don’t start helping those that need (small business) loans. . . if you don’t help those that really need you, then we’re going to have to do something about it.’”

Orman added that she did not know what the solution was to get banks to loosen up credit for consumers and small businesses but she suggested the possibility of a windfall profits tax. That, she said, might provide the incentive necessary to get lenders to do what the White House and many members of Congress want them to do to help turn the economy around.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:31 PM
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4. Oh, but Obama is a corporatist meanie!
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:37 PM
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13. And Obama is a powerful dictator
That can tell banks how to behave - and it is all Summers fault that the banks are bad, because he should have walked over to them and told them how to run their businesses.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:56 PM
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28. Basically Summers was in the position to do exactly that
and if not that, there could have been regulations put in place, there werent.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:31 PM
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5. I don't know why people take that man seriously. He's just a journalist legacy kid --
Edited on Sun Dec-13-09 03:32 PM by smalll
his father being Mike Taibbi.

Wikipedia him. He went to some high-toned private school (that Caroline Kennedy and Queen Noor went to) -- and then was only able to get into Bard College.

He gallivanted around Russia playing pro-basketball and pro-baseball -- in Russia. In 1997 he became the co-editor of a controversial English-language Moscow-based, bi-weekly free newspaper, The eXile. Taibbi said about that experience, "We were out of the reach of American libel law, and we had a situation where we weren’t really accountable to our advertisers. We had total freedom."

(Great! Lets libel people!)

And now he's known for writing over-wrought frat-boy-style rants for Rolling Stone.

Oh, and in March 2005, Taibbi wrote a column for NY Press, entitled "The 52 Funniest Things About the Upcoming Death of the Pope." After getting heat for it, he lamely tried to defend himself for it in a subsequent article, "Keep Pope Alive," in which he suggested that the offending column was "written in the waning hours of a Vicodin haze." :eyes:



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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:36 PM
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11. Haha Keep Pope Alive!
That rules I am going to go read that right now.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 05:37 PM
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29. You forgot one thing on his resume
His cover story for The Nation on Wes Clark back during the 2004 elections was based on him going to a Clark meetup in Boston, presenting himself to two college kids running the meetup as a porn-film producer (I kid you not), and then, claiming these clueless, duped kids were "Clark staff," continued to write an (error-ridden) slash-and-burn piece.

That was when I decided he wasn't a journalist. Maybe he's some kind of gonzo journalist, but that is not a journalist. In a way, he's no better than the kids who dressed up as pimp and prostitute and made a "documentary" about Acorn.

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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 07:00 AM
Response to Reply #29
64. Yup and he defend Slobodan Milošević
seeing that he was a good Communist and all.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:34 PM
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7. google is friendly
James Bradford DeLong (born June 24, 1960, Boston) commonly known as Brad DeLong, is a professor of Economics and chair of the Political Economy major at the University of California, Berkeley. He served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of the United States Department of the Treasury in the Clinton Administration under Lawrence Summers. He is also a research associate of the National Bureau of Economic Research, and is a visiting scholar at the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco.<1>

On March 5, 2008, DeLong endorsed Barack Obama over Hillary Clinton in the Democratic Party (United States) presidential primaries, 2008.<2>



How dare that evil little man Matt Taibbi make my former boss look bad.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:35 PM
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10. Google isn't Taibbi's friend or he would have used it.
Sirota, Reich and other also worked in the Clinton administration.

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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:38 PM
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14. You are using an article by Larry Summers former employee
to discredit Taibbi's article. by the way Sirota agrees with Taibbi.
http://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/6605089463
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #14
20. Who cares? You've been slapped in the face with facts and
now you're resorting to discrediting DeLong.

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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:44 PM
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22. I refuse to take that article as anything but a noble defense of DeLong's former boss
I am somewhat surprised you dont either.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:48 PM
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26. "I am somewhat surprised you dont either." What?
I value facts. If you care to refute the facts, then have at it. Otherwise, spare me the guilt by association BS.



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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #22
52. denial
:spray:
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mcablue Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #20
27. We were supposed to have been "slapped" by the American Prospect guy
Edited on Sun Dec-13-09 03:48 PM by mcablue
Until Reuters' Felix Salmon fact-checked him.

Did you react to Salmon's piece??
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 08:42 PM
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51. as far as im concerned, this gives him credibility
im sure people that serve under clinton look bad to you but not to me.
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mcablue Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:34 PM
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8. Article written by a former Larry Summers' employee
Edited on Sun Dec-13-09 03:44 PM by mcablue
Brad Delong served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of the United States Department of the Treasury in the Clinton Administration under Lawrence Summers.

Oh Gee. I wonder if there's no conflict of interest here...

Looks like Summers gave his buddy a call...asking for a little push-back

This Main Street (Taibbi) vs. Wall Street (Delong, Summers, Geither, Rubin) feud is getting good!

:)
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:37 PM
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12. So you're rebutting the facts with the fact that he worked in the Clinton administration?
Does that mean Bob Rubin's son was hired?

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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:38 PM
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15. You are getting desperate n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:40 PM
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18. LOL! Project much?
"Facts, I hate damn facts. Long live Taibbi."


:rofl:

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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 06:32 PM
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38. LOL! No shit... n/t
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mcablue Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:39 PM
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16. Taibbi has admitted that he made that little error, which Drum saw as insignificant
When you read Taibbi's rebuttal and Drum's piece you will see it.
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mcablue Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:41 PM
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19. And it's not because he worked during the Clinton administration. It's because he worked for Summers
Edited on Sun Dec-13-09 03:44 PM by mcablue
and Summers is a target in Taibbi's original piece.

Taibbi: "The president's economic czar, Larry Summers, was paid more than $5.2 million in 2008 alone as a managing director of the hedge fund D.E. Shaw, and pocketed an additional $2.7 million in speaking fees from a smorgasbord of future bailout recipients, including Goldman Sachs and Citigroup"


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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:47 PM
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25. There is no reasoning with the unreasonable
DeLong's piece is totally without merit based on his relationship with Summers.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 06:03 PM
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32. Hey, ProSense, your guy DeLong says it's a fact that the new financial reform bill is weak.
Are you going to take his word for it?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 06:15 PM
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37. "Are you going to take his word for it?" Are you?
Oh brother!

Facts are facts: "James P. Rubin is not James S. Rubin."

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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 08:12 PM
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42. You didn't answer my question.
Do you take DeLong's word for it that the reform bill the House passed is weak?

I don't have to take Bradford's word for anything. I analyzed it myself. I gave you links to many credible sources saying the same thing - the reform is weak and full of loopholes - but you refused to accept any of them, citing a press release as proof that this bill will force the banks to change their ways.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 08:17 PM
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43. "I don't have to take Bradford's word for anything. I analyzed it myself. "
Wait, does the fact teh OP points out that Taibbi is wrong mean that I have to agree with DeLong on everything?

Again, are you saying that DeLong is wrong about the identity of James Rubin?





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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 08:36 PM
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48. So, you think DeLong is wrong when he says the reform is weak? n/t
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #37
69. The American story is based on genocide ...
and that's a fact to weigh against your nonsense.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 06:05 PM
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33. Brad DeLong is a liberal academic economist with credentials that would crush
Matt Taibbi with their weight. Taibbi isn't fit to lick Brad DeLong's boot.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 08:24 PM
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46. He's a free-trade neo-liberal Friedmanite former Larry Summers employee.
Not exactly stellar credentials by progressive standards.

I would put my money on Taibbi's intellect over DeLong's any day of the week.

Anyone who buys into neo-liberal bullshit economics lacks either emotional intelligence or a fully functioning brain. Judging by Taibbi's brilliant evisceration of Thomas Friedman's foolish "flat world" neo-lib nonsense, DeLong is no match for Matt.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 08:44 PM
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53. vs an article written by a known douche
persistent whiner vs competent professional.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 05:40 PM
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30. "Straining at gnats
and swallowing camels".
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 05:59 PM
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31. aaahh... neo-liberal Friedmanite Bradford Delong comes out swinging..
For the corporatists and his hero Larry Summers. Too bad his punches all miss.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 06:06 PM
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34. Which of these
are you disputing:

The financial reform bill that just passed the House is not nearly as strong a bill as the Treasury wanted. The reason is not that Obama and Geithner did not push for a stronger bill, but rather that the members of congress balked at a stronger bill.

Citigroup did not receive a $306 billion bailout as the first major act of Obama's presidency. First, where does the $306 billion number come from? The number I associate with Citigroup is $45 billion of TARP money. Certainly Citigroup would be bust and gone if not for government aid extended to it during George W. Bush's presidency--aid that Obama endorsed--but it now looks as though Citigroup will pay everything back: that the government will profit from the aid it extended to Citigroup.

James P. Rubin is not James S. Rubin.

The James Rubin whom Mike Froman brought in to staff the economic policy search was not Bob Rubin's son.


Here is information on the proposals for comparison:

Obama unveils biggest regulatory overhaul since 1930s

House passed the most ambitious restructuring of federal financial regulations since the New Deal




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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #31
35. Friedmanite? I would say that DeLong is firmly a Keynesian.
Nearly all modern economists pay Friedman some respect over his work on monetary theory. A lot of what Friedman said about monetary policy was fundamentally correct.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 08:07 PM
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41. DeLong is very definitely a Friedman disciple.
Edited on Sun Dec-13-09 08:42 PM by girl gone mad
In DeLong's odd world view, Friedman and Keynes ideas are perfectly complimentary, with Friedman having provided the proper fixes to Keynes's flawed financial recipe.

Friedman completed Keynes, by J. Bradford Delong, Project Syndicate:

...From one perspective, Friedman was the star pupil of, successor to, and completer of Keynes’s work. Keynes ... set out the framework that nearly all macroeconomists use today. That framework is based on spending and demand, the determinants of the components of spending, the liquidity-preference theory of short-run interest rates, and the requirement that government make strategic but powerful interventions in the economy to keep it on an even keel and avoid extremes of depression and manic excess. As Friedman said, “We are all Keynesians now.”

But Keynes’s theory was incomplete: his was a theory of employment, interest, and money. It was not a theory of prices. To Keynes’s framework, Friedman added a theory of prices and inflation, based on the idea of the natural rate of unemployment and the limits of government policy in stabilising the economy around its long-run growth trend...

Moreover, Friedman corrected Keynes’s framework in one very important respect. The experience of the Great Depression led Keynes and his more orthodox successors to greatly underestimate the role and influence of monetary policy. Friedman, in a 30-year campaign starting with his and Anna J Schwartz’s A Monetary History of the United States, restored the balance. As Friedman also said, “and none of us are Keynesian.”


Without Friedman, DeLong thinks Keynesianism is useless.


In 2000 I wrote an essay (DeLong, 2000) arguing that modern Keynesians are really monetarists. Even if they--we--do not really like to admit it, most of the key elements in how modern "new Keynesian" economists view the world are derived from or heavily influenced by the work of Milton Friedman.


He considers himself a "new Keynesian", which, by his own definition, is essentially a Friedmanite monetarist disguised by a more politically palatable label.


What do today's "new Keynesian" macroeconomists believe? Their research program is complex and hard to summarize briefly, but any list of its key ideas and premises would include the five propositions that:

--The key to understanding real fluctuations in employment and output is to understand the process by which business cycle-frequency shocks to nominal income and spending are divided into changes in real spending and changes in the price level.

-- Under normal circumstances, monetary policy is a more potent and useful tool for stabilization than is fiscal policy.

--Business cycle fluctuations in production are best analyzed from a starting point that sees them as fluctuations around the sustainable long-run trend (rather than as declines below some sustainable potential output level).

--The right way to analyze macroeconomic policy is to consider the implications for the economy of a policy rule, not to analyze each one- or two-year episode in isolation as requiring a unique and idiosyncratic policy response.

-- Any sound approach to stabilization policy must recognize the limits of stabilization policy—the long lags and low multipliers associated with fiscal policy; the long and variable lags and uncertain magnitude of the effects of monetary policy.

All five of the planks of the New Keynesian research program listed above had much of their development inside the twentieth-century monetarist tradition, and all are associated with the name of Milton Friedman. It is hard to find prominent Keynesian analysts in the 1950s, 1960s, or early 1970s who gave these five planks as much prominence in their work as Milton Friedman did in his.

The importance of analyzing policy in an explicit, stochastic context and the limits on stabilization policy that result comes from Friedman (1953a). The importance of thinking not just about what policy would be best in response to this particular shock but what policy rule would be best in general--and would be robust to economists' errors in understanding the structure of the economy and policy makers' errors in implementing policy--comes from Friedman (1960). The proposition that the most policy can aim for is stabilization rather than gap-closing was the principal message of Friedman (1968). We recognize the power of monetary policy as a result of the lines of research that developed from Friedman and Schwartz (1963) and Friedman and Meiselman (1963). And a large chunk of the way that New Keynesians think about aggregate supply saw its development in Friedman’s discussions in Friedman (1970) and Friedman (1971a).

Thus a look back at the intellectual battle lines between "Keynesians" and "monetarists" in the 1960s cannot help but be followed by the recognition that perhaps "new Keynesian" economics is misnamed. We may not all be Keynesians now, but the influence of "monetarism" on how we all think about macroeconomics today has been deep, pervasive, and subtle.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 08:19 PM
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44. Brad is a Neo-Liberal econ, crony of Summers, loves NAFTA and free trade; wrong on so many issues!
of course he disses Taibbi

Brad hates that Taibbi got it right; Brad is a neo-liberal crony of the very folks Taibbi criticizes.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 08:23 PM
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45. Are the facts in the OP wrong? n/t
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 08:34 PM
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47. Yes, DeLong is wrong.
DeLong says: "The financial reform bill that just passed the House is not nearly as strong a bill as the Treasury wanted. The reason is not that Obama and Geithner did not push for a stronger bill, but rather that the members of congress balked at a stronger bill."

To quote Felix Salmon:

"...the CFPA is not “a strong agency that will protect consumers”. In fact, it doesn’t even exist. And I clicked through; you didn’t ask Elizabeth Warren what she thinks of exempting 8,000 banks from CFPA oversight. And in any case there’s no doubt that if and when the CFPA does finally become reality, it will be smaller and weaker than when it was first proposed, especially now that it can’t mandate that banks offer plain-vanilla products. As Taibbi writes:

Frank’s last-minute reversal — made in consultation with Geithner — was such a transparent giveaway to the banks that even an economics writer for Reuters, hardly a far-left source, called it “the beginning of the end of meaningful regulatory reform."


Last I checked, Geithner was a member of the Obama administration, no?? Geithner had a heavy hand in weakening the reform. So there's one giant glaring falsehood in DeLong's defense, sitting right there in the first of his ten points.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 08:41 PM
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50. How on earth does this prove DeLong is wrong?
You quote DeLong: "The reason is not that Obama and Geithner did not push for a stronger bill..."

Then post as a rebuttal: "Frank’s last-minute reversal — made in consultation with Geithner — was such a transparent giveaway to the banks that even an economics writer for Reuters, hardly a far-left source, called it “the beginning of the end of meaningful regulatory reform."


Facts: Geithner Calls for Tougher Standards on Risk

Geithner seeks expanded power to take over financial firms

The problem with a lot of critics is that they often confuse opinions with facts.


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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 09:39 PM
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56. I'm afraid that by appearances, you are being willfully ignorant.
Forgive me if this comes across as rude, but I refuse to be led in the vacuous rhetorical circles that you so often attempt to steer people into, so I will keep it simple.

In the piece you posted above, Bradford DeLong says that the recent House reform bill is only weak because congress wanted it to be weak, and not as a result of any interference by the Obama administration.

However, the respectable news outfit Reuters says that Timothy Geithner consulted with Barney Frank in a successful effort to weaken the reform.

Ergo, Bradford DeLong's #1 assertion, that the reform is only weak because congress wanted it that way and not because of interference from Geithner or Obama, is wrong.

So easy, even a caveman could understand.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 09:51 PM
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57. No you have the facts wrong

Barney Frank Proposes Weaker Consumer Protection Agency

Posted by: Jane Sasseen on September 23

The debate over the Administration’s proposed new agency to protect consumers from predatory lending continues to heat up.

Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass) who is working on the bill that would create the agency in his role as the head of the House Financial Services Committee, has sent a memo to other Democrats on his committee proposing changes that would weaken the agency somewhat from what the Administration proposed originally.

Among the changes, he would drop the requirement that all financial services providers offer a simple, “plain-vanilla” product offering in whatever category they operate in; for mortgage brokers, for example, that means anyone offering a mortgage would be required to have a simple 30 year fixed mortgage in their product line up.

He would also drop language requiring providers to adhere to a “reasonableness” standard in offering products; in other words, financial institutions would have been required to asses whether there products were clearly understandable to consumers. That language was seen as too vague and would leave providers open to legal challenges.

The Administration is willing to go along. In an appearance Sept. 23 before Frank’s committee, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner acknowledged some of the criticism of the Administration’s proposals and called Frank’s proposed changes, “a pragmatic helpful way to make sure you have the choice for protection.”

more


Here is Geithner:

Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner
Written Testimony
House Financial Services Committee
Financial Regulatory Reform


Chairman Frank, Ranking Member Bachus, members of the House Financial Services Committee, I am pleased to be back before you today as our Administration and this Congress work toward comprehensive reform of our financial regulatory system.

The Chairman has set an ambitious schedule of hearings that will lead to your markup of legislation and facilitate enactment this year. We have now provided more than 600 pages of legislative language, and I am aware and appreciative of the long hours you have spent working through the critical details of reform. My staff has been in constant contact with members of this committee and with your staff, and will continue to be as we work through key issues.

As you prepare to put this legislation together and we prepare to help, it might be useful to remind ourselves why we have a financial system in the first place and why we have reached this moment of decision.

Stripped of its complexities, the purpose of a financial system is to let those who want to save--whether for vacation, retirement or a rainy day--save. It is to let those who want to borrow--whether to buy a house or build a business--borrow. And it is to use our banks and other financial institutions to bring savers' funds and borrowers' needs together and carefully manage the risks involved in transfers between them.

The job of a financial system, in other words, is to efficiently allocate savings and risk.

Last fall, our financial system failed to do its job, and came precariously close to failing altogether.

In September alone, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were put into government conservatorship. Lehman Brothers collapsed. Merrill Lynch, Wachovia and Washington Mutual were acquired in distress. A $62 billion dollar money market fund "broke the buck." The world's largest insurer avoided bankruptcy only with the help of $85 billion in emergency aid. Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley announced they would protect themselves by becoming bank holding companies. When Congress' first attempt to pass the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act (EESA) failed, the stock market took a historic plunge.

In a matter of just three months, five trillion dollars of Americans' household wealth evaporated. Economic activity and trade around the world ground toward a halt.

The failure was so sudden and far-reaching that the government was forced to step in to restore the flow of funds between savers and borrowers. Congress courageously passed EESA. Upon taking office, President Obama moved quickly on all fronts, working with Congress to win approval for a recovery act to help the economy and launching a stability plan to help repair the financial system and restart lending.

A year has passed since the crisis peaked. There is little doubt that we have moved back from the financial brink and toward economic recovery. Important parts of the financial system are back to functioning on their own. Some of the damage to people's savings has been repaired. We have taken the first steps towards reducing the government's direct involvement in the system and the risks that taxpayers are bearing.

But make no mistake: The flaws in our financial system and regulatory framework that allowed this crisis to occur, and in many ways helped cause it, are still in place. We may disagree over details of how to best fix those flaws, but that cannot mean we do not act.

We simply cannot walk away from the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression and not do everything in our power to reform the system that contributed to this breakdown.

At a minimum, reform must achieve these critical objectives:

It must provide substantial new protections for consumers and investors.
It must create a more stable, safer financial system, one less prone to crisis.
And it must safeguard American taxpayers from having to bear the costs of battling future crises.
To achieve these objectives will require changes across the entire financial system. Let me lay out some of the changes, and briefly explain how the Administration reform plan will make them.

Reform requires a fundamental overhaul of consumer and investor protections so that Americans are told about the risks of financial products and services in ways they can understand, and providers live by commonsense rules in delivering those products and services.

The Administration proposal will effect this overhaul. It will strengthen standards for investment advisors and brokers while expanding Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) authority over disclosure and enforcement. And for the first time, it will provide consumers with a dedicated agency to set and enforce clear rules for both banks and non-banks in credit cards, mortgages and savings accounts.

Reform requires comprehensive oversight of the financial system to eliminate dangerous gaps and loopholes.

Our proposal is comprehensive. It will address the core regulatory failures and weaknesses that directly contributed to the crisis, and the dangers that could lead to the next one.


It will close gaps and loopholes that encouraged games-playing and enabled firms to evade strong government oversight. It will do so by, among other things, merging the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC) and the Office of Thrift Supervision (OTS) into a new National Bank Supervisor.

It will eliminate competing regimes for holding company supervision and correct inconsistencies that allow firms to own banks, but still avoid supervision and regulation as bank holding companies. It will bring unregulated firms and markets into the system by requiring registration of hedge funds, and setting clear rules for all derivatives markets. Perhaps most importantly, it will require regulators to take the broad view – regulating firms and markets with an eye to the safety of the entire financial system, and not just that of individual institutions.

Reform requires tighter constraints on leverage so that institutions arrive at the eve of future periods of financial stress less indebted and better able to bear their own risks.

Our proposal will tighten constraints by requiring that all financial firms hold higher capital and liquidity buffers. It will establish a higher baseline for all firms, and then go beyond that baseline to impose still higher standards on the largest, most leveraged and most interconnected firms that pose the greatest risk to the system as a whole.

To protect the system in moments of crisis, reform requires better preparation and better tools to respond. Our proposal will require the largest, most interconnected firms to prepare plans for how they should be dismantled in case of failure, and will provide for the orderly unwinding of these firms in a way that protects taxpayers and the broader economy while ensuring that losses are borne by creditors and other stakeholders.

Finally, reform requires that as we in the United States strengthen our system, other nations take similar steps to strengthen their own systems, protect against cross-border gamesmanship, and ensure that the global financial system is safer and more stable. I will accompany President Obama to Pittsburgh later this week to advance the work that we have already done in this regard with our G-20 partners.

Today, I want to focus on two key challenges that are at the center of the debate over regulatory reform. The first is how to strike the right balance between protecting the stability of the system and American families' finances while still fostering innovation, growth and prosperity. The second is how to address the challenge of firms whose failure, absent reform, could threaten the stability of the financial system – the challenge of so-called "too big to fail" firms.

Concerns have been raised about whether, in seeking to restore stability and fairness to our financial system, our plan will impose excessive burdens on the financial industry or stifle critically important innovation. These questions have been raised especially in connection with our consumer protection proposal.

The need for a dedicated, consolidated consumer protection agency is clear. The current consumer protection system failed to protect consumers, responsible providers, or market efficiency and innovation.

It failed to protect consumers from unexpected risks. Instead, it led them into a housing and consumer debt crisis.

It failed to maintain a level playing field for responsible providers; instead, it let a large unregulated sector drag down standards.

And it failed to set clear rules of the road for sustainable innovation to thrive. Instead, it left a vacuum in which institutions, including many subject to extensive federal oversight, followed their competitors down the easy path of tricks and traps for short-term gain.

These failures were structural. That is because there is no home in today's regulatory system for the mission of protecting consumers and providing the market clear rules for sustainable innovation. There is no authority in federal regulations for watching over the parts of the consumer market that are operated by non-bank institutions. And the authority for watching over banks in that market is so fragmented among regulators that it encourages them to drag feet and point fingers instead of acting, and invites corrosive competition in regulatory laxity.

Consumer protection cannot be reformed without addressing these structural problems. Our proposal will address them directly. It will consolidate fragmented consumer authorities into one agency, the Consumer Financial Protection Agency (CFPA), which will write rules, oversee compliance, and address violations by non-bank providers, as well as banking institutions.

Effective protection requires consolidated authority to both write rules and conduct oversight and enforcement.

Combining these authorities will ensure that the agency has a wide range of tools to address any problem within its domain, and can choose those that are most effective and impose the least burden.

Rule-writing authority without supervisory authority – including reporting and examinations – and enforcement authority would risk creating an agency that is weak and ill-informed, and dominated by agencies with enforcement authority. If enforcement and supervisory authorities remain divided among the agencies as they are today, we will continue to see regulatory inertia and arbitrage, uneven protection, and eroding standards. Just as importantly, a rule-writing agency that does not receive information from and examine institutions and address their violations will not understand how institutions operate and the burdens that regulations put on them. Such an agency will likely underestimate the costs of regulation and fail to get the balance between costs and benefits right.

Our proposal will not create new bureaucracy for banks. It will take consumer authorities spread across many agencies and combine them in one place.

Our proposal will not increase the regulatory burdens on community banks. Most community banks do not pay assessments for federal supervision today, and our plan will preserve that arrangement. Examination schedules will be coordinated between agencies, which will exchange examination reports to promote consistency. Clear delineation of agencies' roles will keep conflicts to a minimum, and the rare conflict will be resolved with a reasonable dispute resolution mechanism. In the case of mortgages, institutions making them will see a cost savings when the agency integrates federal mortgage disclosures now implemented separately by two different regulators.

The CFPA will save firms from having to face a choice between losing revenues or stooping to the questionable practices of less-responsible competitors. This will be of particular benefit to community and regional banks that lost revenues when they refused to compete on terms set by unregulated mortgage lenders and brokers. These banks' competitors in the non-bank sector will face federal oversight for the first time.

Moreover, the CFPA will allocate its oversight resources on the basis of risk to consumers. Firms that pose less risk to consumers will face proportionally less burdensome oversight. Risk-based oversight will help banks that have the strongest incentives to treat their customers fairly because they serve a relatively fixed customer base in a limited geographic area and have deep ties to their communities. These are most frequently community banks.

Our proposal will also meet the challenge of preserving innovation. It will do so by giving the agency a focused and balanced mission to protect consumers from abuse while simultaneously ensuring that markets are efficient and that innovation can thrive.

Innovation is essential to the growth of our financial system and the prosperity of our country. We especially value innovation in consumer financial products because it better matches products to consumer preferences. But without clear rules, firms can innovate in ways that erode standards and threaten stability.

Without adequate regulation, American families were enticed to switch credit cards with balance transfer offers at low interest rates of which they could not take advantage if they put gas and groceries on the card. They got mortgages with interest rates that shot up painfully in two years or sometimes less, and which often had increasing loan balances. They got hidden late fees, penalty rates, and prepayment penalties. These risks were disclosed, if at all, in fine print that no reasonable consumer could be expected to see and understand.

When developments such as these were introduced, they were frequently hailed as innovations. And in fact, features that can harm some consumers but provide more benefit to others have a place in a well-functioning market. We firmly believe that consumers should have the ability to choose those offerings that they believe best meet their needs if they can make well-informed choices.

Consumers can not be assured the opportunity to make informed choices about the risks without clear rules of the road. Innovation without regulation leads to a race to the bottom based on exploiting consumer confusion. Without rules, the firm that makes its product appear more attractive by hiding the real cost to the consumer wins. Perhaps a firm does not want to take that route, but competition forces it to. Without a strong framework of regulation, banks and other providers compete to take advantage of consumer confusion rather than to better serve consumer preferences. This must end.

Let me turn to the challenge of "too big to fail" firms.

The sudden collapses of Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, and AIG demonstrated that our framework for supervision and regulation of large, highly leveraged and substantially interconnected financial firms – and the government's toolkit for managing their failure – is profoundly inadequate.

There were many causes for the growth of these large, leveraged, and interconnected financial firms over the past few decades, but important among them was the assumption on the part of investors and others that these firms would receive government assistance if they ran into trouble.

The assumption undermined market discipline and contributed to excessive risk-taking by the firms. And the actions of the federal government over the past 18 months to support our major financial firms, while necessary to prevent an implosion of our financial system and deeper damage to our economy, have solidified the market perception that Washington will always be there to help these firms.

Addressing the threats to financial stability posed by large, leveraged, and interconnected financial firms is central to the Administration's financial regulatory reforms. Here is how our plan will accomplish this goal.

First, we cannot allow firms to reap the benefits of explicit or implicit government subsidies without very strong government oversight. We must substantially reduce the moral hazard created by the perception that these subsidies exist; address their corrosive effects on market discipline; and minimize their encouragement of risk-taking. So, for example, we cannot permit weak regulation of government-sponsored enterprises like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that accumulate trillions of dollars of exposure that is implicitly backed by the taxpayer. We cannot again permit our largest investment banks or other firms to operate without real consolidated supervision, yet obtain government assistance when they collapse.

We will provide the federal government with the authority and responsibility to oversee every financial firm that poses a threat to financial stability. Most of these firms already are organized as bank holding companies and therefore already are subject to supervision and regulation by the Federal Reserve. But our current laws do not ensure that the government will have oversight over all major financial firms. Going forward, the government must have the authority to extend a common framework of supervision and regulation over all financial firms that present outsized systemic risks.

Second, we will impose tough rules on our largest, most leveraged, and most interconnected firms. We will require these firms to hold more capital to protect the system in the event of the firm's failure. And we will make the financial markets more resilient.

We will require bigger buffers in the financial system to make it strong enough to withstand the failure of individual firms, and will reduce the threat of contagion caused by interconnections among major firms. This will include raising capital and liquidity requirements for all banking firms, and raising capital charges on exposures between financial firms. It will include comprehensively regulating over-the-counter (OTC) derivative markets, including by substantially increasing the use of well-regulated central clearing platforms. And it will include strengthening supervision and regulation of critical payment, clearing, and settlement systems

We will supervise our major financial firms more intensively and, after the financial system has had time to emerge from the recent crisis, we will hold these firms to tougher safety and soundness standards than other firms, including tougher capital and liquidity requirements. We will require that supervision of these firms include effective oversight of the parent company and all of its subsidiaries. And we will require a new kind of supervision of these firms – one designed to protect overall financial stability and not just the solvency of individual companies.

Our plan for stricter supervision and regulation of the major financial firms will have several powerful effects. It will force these firms to pay an appropriate regulatory price for the risks that their failure or distress could impose on the broader financial system. It will offset the perceived government support enjoyed by these firms, which should substantially reduce any competitive advantage they have due to the market's assumption that they would receive assistance in the event of failure. In sum, our proposals will provide positive incentives for these firms to shrink and to reduce their leverage, complexity, and interconnectedness. In addition, more conservative supervision and regulation of our major financial firms should reduce the probability that they will fail and therefore the likelihood that they will pose a threat to the financial system.

Third, we must reduce moral hazard, improve market discipline, and limit the risk that the taxpayer has to bear in the next crisis and the costs they shoulder. Our plan will do this in a number of ways.

We will require our major financial firms to prepare and regularly update a credible plan for their rapid resolution in the event of severe financial distress. We will require supervisors to carefully evaluate the plan on an ongoing basis. This requirement will create incentives for a firm to better monitor and simplify its organizational structure and would better prepare the government – as well as the firm's investors, creditors, and counterparties – in the event the firm collapsed.

In addition, as Lehman's collapse showed, existing bankruptcy arrangements are often ill-suited for dealing with the insolvency of large financial institutions. We will give the government the capacity, as it has now for banks and thrifts, to dismember or unwind major financial firms in an orderly fashion with less collateral damage to the system. Simultaneously, we will enhance market discipline by enabling the government to manage the resolution of troubled firms in a manner that imposes losses on firms' stakeholders.

It is imperative that we minimize the risks that taxpayers pay the price of a future rescue of the financial sector. Therefore, any losses that might be incurred by the government in its efforts to resolve failing financial firms will be recouped through assessments on other large financial firms.

Crucially under our proposals, there will be no fixed list of Tier 1 FHCs, and identification of a firm as a Tier 1 FHC will not convey a government subsidy – it will be no guarantee of extraordinary governmental assistance in the event of financial distress. To the contrary; it will be a guarantee of substantially stricter supervision and regulation by the government – an intensity of government oversight that will serve as a strong disincentive for firms to become too big, complex, leveraged, and interconnected.

We understand the need to coordinate regulation of major financial firms internationally to prevent geographic regulatory arbitrage. Financial firms, markets, and transactions have never been more globally mobile. The G-20 Leaders have acknowledged that we must raise safety and soundness standards for all major financial firms to consistently high levels, and we look forward to working with our colleagues around the world to do just that.

No private economic system can function effectively if firms are insulated from the full consequences of their bad decisions. History suggests that periods of financial stress will happen again in the future. Therefore, it is critical to limit the systemic footprint of individual firms and to reduce the likelihood of, and the potential damage to the financial system from, the failure of our major financial firms. Accomplishing these goals and reducing the need for government support of financial institutions in the future is a fundamental issue of fairness, and it is essential to making the financial system more stable, efficient, and robust.

Mr. Chairman, in the coming weeks, your Committee and we in the Administration will have to work through difficult details on all of the issues I have discussed today and others as well in order for you to enact the historic legislation that you are now preparing to move. And we appreciate that you have joined the President in committing to enact this legislation by year's end.

But as we do this, we must remember the President's admonition on Wall Street last week. Time is the enemy of reform. As some normalcy returns to our financial system and our economy, we cannot let it be cause for complacency.

We must act to correct the regulatory problems that have left our financial system so fragile and prone to further trouble that Americans come to distrust it as a reliable repository for their savings and a stable source of the credit they need to conduct their lives and build their businesses.


Thank you.






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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 11:22 PM
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61. Yes, I get it, Geithner gave a nice little presentation in front of the Financial Services Committee
Edited on Sun Dec-13-09 11:43 PM by girl gone mad
However, behind closed doors, Geithner and Frank crafted an amendment to weaken the reform, as http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/09/23/the-beginning-of-the-end-of-meaningful-regulatory-reform/">reported by Reuters.

At a hearing before the House Financial Services Committee, Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner announced that the administration had dropped one provision in its plan for a consumer financial protection agency — a requirement for banks and other financial services companies to offer “plain vanilla” products, like 30-year fixed mortgages and low-interest, low-fee credit cards.

There’s no good reason for this capitulation, except for the financial lobby has so effectively captured Congress that no reform would be able to get through with such a common-sense provision in place. This has nothing to do with the government “approving and disapproving a wide array of financial products”, it just says that anybody who wants to call themselves a bank should provide simple, basic banking products which aren’t prone to hidden fees and lucrative opacity. I fear that by the time Congress is done, the Consumer Financial Protection Agency won’t be able to protect consumers at all — and that’s assuming it’ll even exist.


As I've tried to explain to you numerous times, all the press releases and flowery speeches in the world cannot change the facts of this reform, and the facts are that it is full of loopholes and amendments that will severely limit its impact.

DeLong is wrong. The plain fact is that Geithner did interfere to weaken the bill.

It's even right there in the very article that you posted:

The debate over the Administration’s proposed new agency to protect consumers from predatory lending continues to heat up.

Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass) who is working on the bill that would create the agency in his role as the head of the House Financial Services Committee, has sent a memo to other Democrats on his committee proposing changes that would weaken the agency somewhat from what the Administration proposed originally.

Among the changes, he would drop the requirement that all financial services providers offer a simple, “plain-vanilla” product offering in whatever category they operate in; for mortgage brokers, for example, that means anyone offering a mortgage would be required to have a simple 30 year fixed mortgage in their product line up.

He would also drop language requiring providers to adhere to a “reasonableness” standard in offering products; in other words, financial institutions would have been required to asses whether there products were clearly understandable to consumers. That language was seen as too vague and would leave providers open to legal challenges.

The Administration is willing to go along. In an appearance Sept. 23 before Frank’s committee, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner acknowledged some of the criticism of the Administration’s proposals and called Frank’s proposed changes, “a pragmatic helpful way to make sure you have the choice for protection.”

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55. "It almost smacks of uber-partisanship at the expense of truth." You can't be serious.
Taibbi's bullshit rant wasn't based on truth. This claim that anyone who slammed Bush is supposed to be automatically revered is beyond stupid. Remember Larry Johnson?



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camera obscura Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 11:10 PM
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60. Did Matt Taibbi ever write about Wall Street prior to 2008?
I'm curious. I've long been wary of the guy, but I can't remember him ever taking the banksters to task back when they were actually ruining things. As far as I can tell, he never wrote a word about Goldman Sachs - let alone the rest of Wall Street - prior to the economic meltdown.

His current article is just absurd, number-fudging aside. "Obama's a flip-flopper for supporting NAFTA, oh and he sucks for not using Goolsbee enough... nevermind that Goolsbee's the guy who told Canada Obama wasn't serious about NAFTA!". I mean, seriously?

Don't get me wrong, I do like seeing Obama's feet held to the fire. Whether it's by Krugman or Greenwald or Goodman, having a healthy liberal base to Obama's left is good for the country. But Taibbi is junk food... even if you can look past the fact his "scathing" articles are about as edgy as your average YouTube commenter, his writing doesn't contain any more depth of thought or analysis than a WaPo editorial. The different is that Fred Hiatt tells Beltway centrists what they want to hear, and Taibbi tells disillusioned liberals what they want to hear.

Makes me long for the days when people bickered over Paul Krugman's dismissal of the stimulus deal. Krugman knew what he was talking about.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 11:36 PM
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63. Come on. Is it really too hard for you to do a little research?
Edited on Sun Dec-13-09 11:37 PM by girl gone mad
Taibbi has a long history of economic-centered journalism. Some examples:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020610/taibbi">Grabitization (Don't Look) (The Nation, 2002)

http://www.alternet.org/story/21856/flathead/">Flathead (New York Press, 2005)

http://www.alternet.org/story/42528/%27competition%27_with_china_is_killing_u.s./">'Competition' with China is Killing U.S. (Rolling Stone, 2006)

http://www.alternet.org/story/48278/maybe_we_deserve_to_be_ripped_off_by_bush%27s_billionaires/">Maybe We Deserve to Be Ripped Off By Bush's Billionaires (Rolling Stone, 2007)

He has been writing about our corporate oligarchs, the control they exercise over our politicians and their influence on our foreign and domestic economic policy for as long as I can remember.
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camera obscura Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 04:10 PM
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70. I'm not talking about economics in general
I'm talking about what he's writing about here, Wall Street, Goldman Sachs, their control over the economy, etc. Only the last example qualifies.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 11:28 PM
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62. Good thing the POTUS never fucked up any of his facts
Edited on Sun Dec-13-09 11:41 PM by chill_wind
because I just know the outraged and dedicated "fact-checker" in chief in this thread would just be all over something like that, thread after thread with a totally equally bitchen "fact-loving" rigour.

Right? RIGHT?

re: some fact checking on our President's latest speech to the free world.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7204902&mesg_id=7204902

What should we say about a person of such stature that makes up his own facts, or at best, gets them horribly wrong? What standard should we hold him to?

What did YOU say, ProSense? I just really don't remember.




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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 11:11 AM
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68. Is the title of the article intentionally mangled for some reason I am not aware of? nt.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 08:18 PM
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72. This kind of thing is rampant, especially online.
It makes my head spin.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 08:14 PM
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71. Kick
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angee_is_mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 11:29 PM
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73. he writes for the Rolling Stone
nuff said.
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