The left calls Obama names: Weak, Spineless, Feckless, Corporatist & then throw tantrums. . .

. . .when he has the nerve to push back. Are you kidding me?

Obama has accomplished a lot, he has moved the ball forward on so many issues of importance to progressives and what thanks does he get from some progressives?

1) No appreciation or acknowledgment for what he has accomplished and any many cases denying he accomplished anything

2) Outright name calling

3) He takes ALL OF THE BLAME without any true outrage directed at Republicans or the very Democrats in the Senate who didn't stand up for
progressive causes either. I love Russ Feingol and know he was standing on principle but we could have used his vote on Saturday.

I don't blame him one bit for pushing back. And before you say he only hits back at the left it should be pointed out he called the Republicans HOSTAGE TAKERS yesterday, but all some remember is what he said about progressives. It seems many crying the loudest are more upset about the pushback than they are the deal.

I am unhappy with this deal, I don't like it and I will support any efforts to derail it, but I will not stand with the folks on the left who seem more intent on dissing the president than they are in accomplishing anything. I predict this thread won't go ten posts before someone claims he hasn't accomplished shit.

1) Get health care reform passed--NO MATTER HOW DISSATISFIED SOME ON THE LEFT ARE, THIS SHIT PASSED AND WILL HELP PEOPLE!

2) Save our economy--WHEN HE TOOK OFFICE IT WAS AT THE BRINK OF COLLAPSE, AND HE TOOK MOVES TO KEEP IT AFLOAT AND ON A PATH TO RECOVERY

3) End the war in Iraq and to develop an exit strategy of Afghanistan--THERE HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT DRAW DOWN OF TROOPS IN IRA!

4) Deal with the student loan crisis--HE ADVANCED LEGISLATION THAT MAKES COLLEGE LOANS MORE STUDENT FRIENDLY

I can go on and on, but what is the point, there are many who will ignore these and other accomplishments or spend them all as selling out.

At the end of the day, he shouldn't be judged by how much Republican ass he kicks, he should be judge by where this country was when was sworn in and where it will be when he leaves office.

I would gladly sacrifice 90% of his "accomplishments" for one accomplishment that actual came remotely close to SOLVING THE PROBLEM IT WAS MEANT TO ADDRESS.

Apparently you have no fucking idea what's going on.

The whining and moaning and threats from some folks here would be laughable if it weren't SO pathetic. They're playing right into the hands of the Republicans, who are getting off scott free in this debate while the media focuses on the left wing's hissy fit.

Do you guys miss Bush so much that you have to continue his agenda?

The issue is the Right treats him far worse, and he has never shown them the same kind of public contempt.

This is a problem for Obama, a self-inflicted wound that hurts him far more than it helps, if it helps at all.

. . .allies who talk shit about him at every juncture and don't acknowledge is accomplishments.

And I anticipate he will pivot from here and do better in terms of confronting the Republicans. He will have to. But if he's pissing me off, I can imagine how many problems he will have with many on the Left who have been far less supportive.

This is a political problem for him. Money, GOTV, ground support, all that and more have come from people he gratuitously smacked around yesterday. What's the upside? Tell me. A Sister Souljah moment that no one pays attention to other than those he offends? It was pointless.

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But hasn't he been dealing with that all his life?

To me, he lashes out at the left when he knows they have a point. Might not be fair, but there's an argument that PO and HCR could have been handled better, and most everyone will admit McBoehner got kid glove treatment from him on the tax issue, politically speaking. The Right's criticisms of him, to the extent that they are even coherent, are much more easy to stomach on the merits, because there are none that would matter to him personally.

Getting back to the left, they have a point, but he knows better. And he does. But it's always a mistake to let on that you feel that way, no matter who you are, especially when the only audience you're really affecting has material ways of retaliating.

. . .would the majority of progressives celebrate them or tell me how weak and ineffective they are and then tell us Obama sold us out.

What do you about people who claim to be on your side and refuse to acknowledge anything you have done?

Weak, Spineless, Corporatist, Feckless, Sellout, etc.

. . .the level of disrespect shown this president is fucked up.

We'll see which pile is bigger.

"The Left" also expects to be treated with contempt by conservatives. Yet we're constantly told we should be attacking Republicans, not the President. Why shouldn't that work both ways? The admin has talked shit about progressives at every opportunity and doesn't seem to recognize the big role we played in getting him elected.

That's true no matter how much bloggers whine.

compromises that have been done. It is as simple as that.

For this latest "deal", it will raise the deified 1 trillion dollars. Who will be paying for that? Will trickle down economics finally work? History seems to contradict that it will

The Patriot Act, the effective elimination of the War Powers Act, show no signs of being repealed.

Most of the benefits of HCR a back loaded so they don't take effect until 2012 - 2014. For those who have pre-existing conditions, they have to go through so many obstacles, if the condition is extreme, it actually puts them at risk, and if they manage to get coverage it isn't cheap. In addition, as a result of HCR, flexible spending accounts will be eliminating certain over the counter medications, and the maximum amount for these accounts is being decreased from 5000 to 2500, in spite of co-payments, and health insurance costs increasing.

Right now you can say HCR at best is Insurance Reform

And I am all for moving him in the right direction.

No bill will be enough. Everything will be belittled in exaggerated terms. They do it because they think they can peel away support from Democrats. And we might as well admit that there's a double standard compared to how other Democrats are treated and race has something to do with it.

Not the House, Not the Senate; but the President? There is something radically wrong with the process. His job is to administer the laws the Congress approves. He is not the Decider.

You're not happy with the deal, but love the man who brought the shitty deal to the table. Good for you. I'm annoyed with the man who stepped beyond his position and brought the shitty deal to the table.

This has been an issue for months...and 99% of congress is too damned lazy and won't do it. Why don't you scream at the people who neglected their duties and forced a man to go beyond his duties to get shit done. But yes, he's at fault for doing something that has a lot of good even if it's not perfect.

Wow!

Black folks, especially in positions of power, must know their place. We can't raise our voices and speak out of turn when we feel like it. After all,we're supposed to take orders and like it!!! How dare any Black person get so condescending and uppity!!!!!!

:eyes: :sarcasm:

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After all, there's nothing wrong with mentioning aspects of race--especially when it has to do with this situation. Race is a part of identity and a part of what makes this country diverse. The problem here is that some people act as if Jim Crow rule and behavior never left the American landscape--especially when they want to silence people of color from speaking out. This is especially apropos because a lot of folks are offended that the President spoke up for himself.

the president is free to speak his mind, just as i'm free to tell him he's fucking wrong. this was not a moment to look upon proudly. you do NOT give the enemy any ammo. if obama wants to vent, because that's what i'm doing when i say all those mean terrible things, he can sign up here say whatever the hell he wants. to get up in front of the cameras and berate the people who worked their asses of to get him in office is unacceptable.

I thought he was supposed to be the leader

Now he has to take orders from THEM??

Am I missing something here??

Hey if he wants to lead, and start vetoing this BS, then by all means do it.

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From people who think the President is a dictator, to one who ADMITS he should take orders from the progressives, I've seen it all now.

why the progressives? Why do they get to give orders to everyone else?

it takes a lot of courage to come home and smack the shit out of your wife because you don't have the courage to stand up to your manager.

Not a whole lot of that happening with him.

But then some Progressives demand that he respect them and feel their angst while they treat him and refer to him in code as a dog that they own.

And have the nerve to get mouth-foaming pissed when he doesn't go for that.

This forum is becoming an increasingly strange, hostile place. But it has gone through ebbs and flows of outrage of the moment, so I'm interested to see the prevailing attitudes a month out or six months out.

criticism into on group that they can hate.

Hostage takers -- those are people that they can live with.

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At least one of the first 10 posts, while not saying not saying nothing was accomplished, pushes that nothing good was accomplished.

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. . .so try again.

so I figured you had to be of the right, as you so often defend the President.

As for where you are on the political spectrum, I would say that is for you to know yourself, but your posts here lead me to
believe you are 'probably' not to the left of me.

Not that that is a bad thing...

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nobody to the left of most people here would create a poll calling out the "loud left."

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I just think he is doing a bad job. If he was white, do you think it would be easier to defend his sellouts?

As for his and his minions routinely bashing the left wing of the party, I don't care anymore, as he seems most
energized when doing so. So whatever, he can say what he wants. Didn't seem to do him a lot of good last month when his party lost the House, but again, he can say what he wants now, it is too late.

When does he act strong for us, BTW?

Would that be the strategy he just announced will keep us there another 4 years?

Very impressive :sarcasm:

Obama believes republicans will come out in droves to vote for him because he is a supply sider.

. . .but you believe that if you wish.

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They seem to be working just fine.


Anarchy...ffs.

In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

So, you are a supply sider? Please tell us how supply side will save Obama?

I never went through that phase when I was a kid.


Where do I sign up for the newsletter?

LOL

And as such would be unbecoming of a 'touchie feelie' liberal like myself.

You'll never make the Bigs.

...still waiting...

You conflate 'opinion' with 'fact'.

Opinion, or fact?

the position calls for a degree of decorum. if obama wants to get up in front of the cameras and berate the people who ELECTED him to office, then he better be prepared to suffer the blowback. this isn't junior fucking high. i thought that the "grown ups" were in charge?

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how many votes do you think he secured by getting up in front of the camera and calling people who are dissatisfied with his half-measures "sanctimonius" and "party purists?"

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my opinion doesn't amount to a hill of jack shit to obama.

They'd have shit a brick and died. I'd bet good money we have never come CLOSE to hearing him get truly angry.

There was nothing unreasonable in his words or his "tone", as some claimed.

It's a two-way street...put on some 'big boy' pants if you're going to throw out names, cause it's coming right back atcha.

to people on a fucking discussion board? really?!

No. He did not.




He used measured words.


And people here lost their minds.

"...will stop middle-class taxes from going up. It will spur our private sector to create millions of new jobs, and add momentum that our economy badly needs."

Soooo, the tv puts thoughts in your head.


Explains a lot about your posting.

and when he parrots right-wing talking points, it makes baby jeebus cry.

We'll see by then.

bookmarking so i can do just that.

Actions speak much louder than words.

The left continues to feel entitled as if they are the only ones who vote.

What about others? Why don't they count?

INSTEAD of pushing back. Damn right that I'M gonna throw a tantrum.

The very people he negotiates his "deals" with have thought nothing of publicly pledging to destroy him!

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rocktivity

right here!

I know some like to lay all failures on the President, but laws are passed in Congress, and until filibuster-proof, Blue Dog-free, RELIABLY Democratic voting blocs are installed in the House and Senate, the Republicans have to be dealt with.

And there are even more of them in January. They aren't just gonna vaporize.

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I guess we'll just have to get used to Obama pushing for and defending Republican policies from now on.

Yippee.

Let's have you just take on over the President's role until you get some legislation passed.

Let's see you execute your plan for getting things through Congress so you can sign them into law.

It's sad that people like you have such low expectations.

Bush never had 60 votes but he rammed everything he wanted through.

Face it, Obama is clearly not up to the task of running the country.

We'd be better off if he resigned and let Joe Biden take over. He's not a coward like Obama.

keyboards and get after their senators and representatives to support any real change ...

- including their repuke and bluedog sens and reps ...


the way actual, true progressives ARE doing, constantly. and progressives still grasp and support what the president is doing, to the count of about 85%.

Democrats. End of story. The left foot stomps, but the Senate is made up the way it is.

In the next Congress, the Republicans will have the House. Getting anything done will take their cooperation.

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just can't get over the fact we don't think it's raining when we know we're being pissed on

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You always have a way to cut through it all, Skittles. :)

over! done!

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RL

despite the policy objections.

Any criticism of your favorite personality looks week, spineless, speckeless objection when you are loyal to the 'man' to a fault. Obama cave to the hostage takers when they made corporatist demands.

Separate the policy decision from the man, and there is a legitimate argument to be made. Like most politicians, the President is concerned about the next election and is willing to make concession based in the interest of being re-elected. His personality base will worship him no matter what move he makes to get re-elected.

For others, politics is bigger than personality worship.