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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:31 PM
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Poll question: Should the unemployed and middle class be sacrificed in order to raise taxes on the rich?
It's pretty clear that republicans would block unemployment benefits and middle class tax cuts if the rich don't get their tax cuts.

Many progressives and others on the left would like Obama to stand firm even if it means collateral damage is done to the unemployed and middle class. Obama has stated that he's unwilling to do this.

What do you think? Should the unemployed and the middle class be sacrificed in order to raise taxes on the rich?
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:31 PM
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1. Time for a tax overhaul - no deductions
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littlewolf Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:47 PM
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9. oh yeah the housing market is already in the shitter and you want to pull the chain ...
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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:32 PM
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2. False dilemma.
There should be other options, such as trying to gain tax break extensions separately from killing the tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:46 PM
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7. Republicans have stated that they will block any tax bill
That doesn't include tax breaks for the wealthy
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:47 PM
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10. I see you give up just as quickly as Obama.
No wonder you support this mess.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:52 PM
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13. Actually I don't support the deal. n/t
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:34 PM
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3. "Raising taxes on the rich" will help EVERYBODY by not adding that amount
to the deficit.

I've just recently come to that stance after leaning the other way because of the unemployed and those who can't afford an increase.

I'm not sure I've settled yet.

What about you?
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:35 PM
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4. Wow, was there a BOGO sale on RW memes? "Raise taxes on the rich??"
:eyes:

Don't you mean "extend the Billionaire Bailout Tax Bonus?"

NGU.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:48 PM
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11. I'm referring to the rollback of the Bush tax cuts for people making more than $250,000. n/t
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:12 PM
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25. You mean letting the tax bonuses for billionaires expire? Or do you...
...intend to keep defending a Radical RW meme?

NGU.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:40 PM
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5. I notice that people who defend Obama are now pushing RW tax cut memes
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 01:40 PM by niceypoo
The trolls are blowing their cover in their glee.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:54 PM
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14. I Don't Get It
Are Obama supporters trolls?

Does that mean Obama isn't a Democrat?
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:57 PM
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17. That is the basic message that I am getting
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:43 PM
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6. The makeup of the Senate means that it is an all or nothing problem.
Republicans will not support extension of just the lower 98% of taxes. They have also made it clear that they will let nothing pass through the Senate, and there is nothing we can do about that. They have that power.

We are forced into an all or nothing situation. I'm comfortable with nothing for me, but my mother, sisters, and brother will also be penalized, as well as millions of others.

I think the long term economic implications of passing this bill are severe. The political ramifications between now and 2012 are dire if it is not passed. The media is dominated by simplistic Republican messages that a majority of those who vote will believe.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:47 PM
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8. That's not the only option.
Nice try though.

Fuck your poll.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:57 PM
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15. You really don't have to post in this thread or vote in this poll if you don't want to
Nobody is holding a gun to your head.

But thanks for your opinion.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:48 PM
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12. Cute spin.
Not remotely the truth.. but cute.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:26 PM
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20. This is the current situation
Republicans are holding middle class tax cuts and unemployment benefits hostage.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 04:43 PM
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26. They can have the middle class tax cuts.
The democrats fought those cuts the first time because we couldn't afford them... so I am not sure why they flip flopped on that issue.. so all you have left are the unemployment benefits, which, they know, if they don't extend, it will bring the economy crashing down around them and people will BLAME them.
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young but wise Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:57 PM
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16. Hell no.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:59 PM
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18. In my own self-interest, I voted NO
It would cost me about $200 per month in higher federal taxes.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:07 PM
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19. Thanks for your vote. n/t
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 02:13 PM by Cali_Democrat
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:30 PM
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21. Should the unemployed and middle class be sacrificed in order to give tax cuts to the rich?
Supply side causes wages to drop. Supply side causes massive borrowing. Supply side is what put is in this mess to begin with.

So lets get out if the whole mess with even more supply side!!
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:44 PM
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22. Huh?
Nobody here is arguing for supply side economics.

I know I certainly wasn't.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:57 PM
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23. It is what it is
More supply side, except this time it is from a 'Democrat.'
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:59 PM
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24. I am pissed, but no, the unemployed should not be sacrificed. nt
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 06:28 PM
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27. K&R
Amazing how anyone could vote YES on this!
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 06:38 PM
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28. Should we fight the terrorists in Iraq or fight them here? eom
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