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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 02:16 PM
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'Obamacare' Is not a 'job killer.' It actually creates jobs-- millions of them.
(Democrats need to hammer this, so far they have let Republican assertions that it does not go unchallenged.)

Health Care Reform Could Boost Employment by 400,000 a Year this Decade

We found in a recent analysis that the reduction in health insurance premiums caused by health care reform would create between 2.5 million to 4 million additional jobs over the next 10 years, at a rate of 250,000 to 400,000 per year. This study extends those results to show how many jobs health care reform would create in each state.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2010/02/healthreformjobs.html

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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 02:18 PM
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1. K & R. n/t
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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 03:27 PM
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2. When someone says "Obamacare" they are not talking about healthcare. - n/t
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 03:49 PM
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3. There is no such thing as "Obamacare"
Edited on Thu Jan-06-11 03:49 PM by Proud Liberal Dem
It makes me cringe whenever I hear somebody use that phrase.
What I would like is for Boehner, et. al to have to be made to explain is HOW the new so-called "Job-Killing" Health Care Law is actually killing jobs and, more importantly, WHICH jobs are being killed by it? :shrug: I mean, you can't be intellectually honest by saying that jobs are being *killed* without having to actually saying how and where it's actually happening. Of course, I realize that the media will never seriously question the Republicans about this nor will any of their wingnutty dittohead followers. :banghead: :puke:
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 06:29 PM
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5. As you can see from the excerpt below, Williams does not ask him how 'Obamacare' kills jobs.
No one else will, either. That's the way it works. No pushback. No quest for the truth. Our media is pretty much as dysfunctional as the Senate.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:39 PM
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11. Yes- dysfunctional for us
functional as hell for them! :mad: :banghead: :puke:
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 06:24 PM
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4. Boehner given platform in Brian Williams' interview repeats 'Obamacare is biggest job killer'
(As you can see, with Republicans, facts don't matter. They hammer their lies and their right-wing echo chamber does the rest.)
BRIAN WILLIAMS: And yet, respectfully, the first thing you're doing after the reading of the Constitution is bringing so called "Obamacare," the Obama health plan up for a vote. It's been called a stunt. Because it can pass the Republican House, but it's certain to fail, if not in the Democratic Senate, it won't survive a veto. Why spend the valuable time of your beloved House of Representatives that way?

JOHN BOEHNER: You have to understand that in my opinion Obamacare is the biggest job killer we have in America today. It's a weight over every employer that we have. Thereby requiring them to hold back their willingness to hire people. Secondly, I believe that Obamacare will ruin the best health care delivery system in the world. And then thirdly, I think it'll bankrupt our country. On September 24th, when we rolled out our Pledge to America, we made clear that we wanted to repeal Obamacare. We are going to do what we said we were going to do.

And I can't predict what'll happen in the Senate. I can't predict what the President will do. But if you believe as I do the job-killing aspects of this, what it'll do to our health care system and what it'll do to the financials of our country. I think we have to do everything we can to make sure that this never ever gets fulfilled.

BRIAN WILLIAMS: Two points. What do you say to those who would disagree that it was the best health care delivery system in the world? Because they, by the millions, weren't getting it? And second, where are you getting the notion, as you said again this morning, the American people want it repealed? Our exit polling was about 48-47. Very evenly split on that.

JOHN BOEHNER: I've talked to tens of thousands of people, all across the country last year, as I was out helping my candidates. I've been from one corner of my district to the other. And it's pretty clear to me that this law ought to be repealed. The job-killing aspects, the cost of it, and what it's gonna do to the delivery. And while, yes, not every American had fair access to affordable health insurance, every American had access to the best health care delivery system in the world.

Read entire interview: http://thepage.time.com/2011/01/06/boehner-bullish-on-health-care-repeal/
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 06:48 PM
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6. No, Boehner, actually more small businesses offering healthcare to employees thanks to 'Obamacare'
Edited on Thu Jan-06-11 06:50 PM by flpoljunkie
More Small Businesses Offering Health Care To Employees Thanks To Obamacare

The first statistics are coming in and, to the surprise of a great many, Obamacare might just be working to bring health care to working Americans precisely as promised.

The major health insurance companies around the country are reporting a significant increase in small businesses offering health care benefits to their employees.

Why?

Because the tax cut created in the new health care reform law providing small businesses with an incentive to give health benefits to employees is working.

We certainly did not expect to see this in this economy,” said Gary Claxton, who oversees an annual survey of employer health plans for the nonprofit Kaiser Family Foundation. “It’s surprising.”



How significant is the impact? While we won’t have full national numbers until small businesses file their 2010 tax returns this April, the anecdotal evidence is as meaningful as it is unexpected.

United Health Group, Inc., the nation’s largest health insurer, added 75,000 new customers working in businesses with fewer than 50 employees.

Coventry Health Care, Inc., a large provider of health insurance to small businesses, added 115,000 new workers in 2010 representing an 8% jump.

more...

http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2011/01/06/more-small-businesses-offering-health-care-to-employees-thanks-to-obamacare/

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Styxiv Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 09:47 PM
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15. huh?
I've talked to tens of thousands of people

REALLY wow that's impressive, tens of thousands so um he actually counted them? LOL. So when did he have time to do anything in washington. Ya sorta like those hundreds of thousands at those rallies right? He must be superman I guess. He also said he's been from one end of his district to the other, so is that where he talked to tens of thousands? And as some of you have pointed out the JOB KILLING aspects of this what jobs? Show me the numbers and from WHERE they are being killed?
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 06:53 PM
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7. this job killing slogan came from FAT ASS Frank Luntz who does polling for the rethugs
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 07:30 PM
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8. Repeal bill reads like Frank Luntz memo. His 'government takeover' line was Politifact's lie year.
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vduhr Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:07 PM
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9. I knew it....
This is the second time I've heard a Repug use that term "job killing" just today alone. I thought it sounded a lot like another of their spread-the-fear talking points.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:12 PM
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10. It's in the actual title of the bill!
Edited on Thu Jan-06-11 08:18 PM by flpoljunkie
CBO’s Preliminary Analysis of H.R. 2, the Repealing the Job-Killing Health Care Law Act

http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?p=1750
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vduhr Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:41 PM
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12. Of course it is.
And they'll be using that terminology over and over and over again to push their fear agenda.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:43 PM
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13. And, the media will not question this obvious lie.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 09:33 PM
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14. But yet
Bush's war was never given it's proper title. And it was and IS a people killer.
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jeanpalmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 07:31 AM
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16. The article is not referring to Obamacare
Edited on Sat Jan-08-11 07:33 AM by jeanpalmer
It was written on Feb. 24, 2010, before Obamacare was enacted. This Feb. 24 article refers to a prior article published on Jan. 8, 2010, which makes the 250,000-400,000 claim. But even this article was based on two studies done prior to Jan. 8. The upshot is these articles are not referring to the Obamacare, but rather generically to "health care reform." And they're saying health care reform "could create jobs," not "will create." But the primary requirement for creating jobs was reducing health care costs. Does the final product Obamacare do that? Look at the increases in premiums we've seen just since the law was enacted. Will Obamacare reduce premiums, or simply slow down the rate of increase? Not touched upon or answered in the article.

Obamacare wasn't enacted til Mar. 23 and signed into law on Mar. 30.
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