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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 06:18 PM
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Gingrich blasts liberals over Giffords
Newt Gingrich is upset with liberals who are blaming conservatives for the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

The former speaker of the House and possible 2012 presidential hopeful said Monday that some people on the left jumped too quickly to conclusions about accused gunman Jared Lee Loughner.

eople who would immediately scream about ethnic profiling, people who on the left have every possible incentive to never allow anyone to draw conclusions, suddenly say things that are just factually untrue,” Gingrich said on Chicago’s WLS radio station.

“There’s no evidence that I know of that this person was anything except nuts,” he said, later adding, “This person was apparently by any reasonable standard deranged.”

If anything, Gingrich hinted, Loughner might be left-leaning.

“Certainly, the books that he had in his library tended to be left wing, much more Marxist and communist,” Gingrich said. “He was apparently an atheist. He was by no standard that I know of had any connection with any tea party of any kind.”

Gingrich also defended the use of militaristic language in political discourse.

“In a country with free speech, people occasionally use strong language,” he said.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47378.html#ixzz1Ag3cACjp

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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 06:20 PM
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1. The right is incredibly defensive today just because some people said
both sides need to tone down the rhetoric. you don't hear the left screaming and whining that they should have a right to say whatever they want.

sounds like the right knows just how guilty they are.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 09:29 AM
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21. I think it is a combination of how guilty they are and how necessary
it is for them to use aggressive language and fear in their tactics. If ones ideology is generally despicable and you want to triumph in a Democracy, you can't sell the ideology without fear, anger and bullying. If this event takes away those tactics they will be left with an accurate representation in gov't. Accurate as in 10-15%. Which is being generous as to the true number of people who really want what they are really trying to do. The rest are duped by promises of lower taxes or more profits.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 06:23 PM
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2. So Gingrich whines, and then proceeds to do the same exact thing he's whining about
Will the blatant hypocrisy of these crazy Republicans ever end?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 06:23 PM
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3. "Gingrich also defended the use of militaristic language in political discourse."
"'In a country with free speech, people occasionally use strong language,' he said."

Does he not see the irony in this?

Defend violent rhetoric, but expect to be condemned in "a country with free speech."

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Robbie88 Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 06:27 PM
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4. "Certainly, the books that he had in his library tended to be left wing"
So, Ayn Rand and Hitler are left wing? Nice try, Newt...
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 06:36 PM
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10. I've wondered about that too.
Which books specifically is he referring to? I've not heard yet.
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 11:08 AM
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23. You've never heard the Liberal Fascism line?
Jonah Goldberg's ridiculous book has inspired countless right-wingers to try and paint Nazis as leftists. It's been almost universally panned by historians, but that stupid line still pops up periodically.

It's the right-wing mantra of "repeat something often enough that it becomes true."
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 06:27 PM
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5. He's just mad the he lost a potential Congressional candidate.
Jared might've been the GOP pick in 2020 for AZ-08.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 06:27 PM
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6. If Gingrich does run in 2012, what are the chances he'll get a pass for his serial adultery?
Any Dem candidate would be blown out of the water with his record, Republicans (routinely) get a pass.

Sure, they (R) politicians are hypocrites, but the double standard (and adultery is just one example) leads me to believe that those who follow them are mentally defective.

And that's not even considering the Tea Baggers - the Mt. Olympus of dysfunction.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 06:30 PM
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7. Here, Gingrich can defend this
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 06:38 PM by ProSense
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 06:34 PM
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8. Close the lid and flush, and
say goodbye to Newt.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 06:35 PM
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9. From the list I saw there was ONE communist book - the manifesto and one
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 06:36 PM by karynnj
fascist book, Mein Kampf. There was also a book by Ayn Rand - and author that I have not seen many liberals list as a favorite. The rest of the list was so limited to very well known books - I suspect that he may have wanted to seem erudite, but had mostly read books for school. His believes seem more libertarian than anything else - other than weird.

In addition, I have not really heard liberals saying he is conservative or a tea party member. They have said that this is a time to stop and tone down the language - to the conservatives, I say - "if the show fits, wear it."
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 07:01 PM
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13. They never mention
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 07:11 PM by ProSense
his obsession with currency.

Most years the Bureau of Engraving and Printing does its work, turning sheets of paper into bills at plants in Washington and Fort Worth, entirely out of the spotlight. Not so in 2010. Glenn Beck, Rand Paul, and Sarah Palin turned currency printing into a cause célèbre. Too much of it, they said, would trigger hyperinflation and destroy the middle class. Palin tweeted on Nov. 7 about the Federal Reserve's plan to "print $ out of thin air."

Even in quiet times, currency has a magical quality that both fascinates and frightens people. Imbued with priest-like powers, the government—and only the government—can transubstantiate a simple piece of paper into legal tender. When the Federal Reserve exercises that awesome power to the fullest, as it did in 2010 to fight the economic slump, a backlash of suspicion is probably inescapable. Hence the rally signs: "Abolish the Federal Reserve." "The Fed. Terrorists Since 1913." And this deliciously subtle one: "Irony Is Andrew Jackson on a Federal Reserve Note." (President Jackson, in the 1830s, opposed the quasi-Fed of his day.)

<...>



On edit: Jared Lee Loughner's Currency Obsession




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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 06:52 PM
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12. Gingrich is a total anti-brain
What astounds me really is that people take these fucks seriously. In a reasonable world people like Gingrich, Palin, Coulter, Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly, and Limbaugh would just be ignored and they would get nowhere. Why the hell to people give these asses any attention?
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 07:13 PM
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14. Methinks the right doth protest too much.
No one except people on message boards are even hinting that it might be their fault.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 08:22 PM
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15. .
:boring:
rocktivity
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gort Donating Member (567 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:00 PM
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16. Old hat for him. He blamed Dems for Susan Smith drowning her two boys.
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 10:03 PM by gort
Isn't it time for a new wife, Newt?

"I think the mother killing her two children in South Carolina vividly reminds every American how sick society is getting and how much we have to have change," he said at the time. "I think people want to change, and the only way you can get change is to vote Republican."

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_10/015338.php
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 01:52 AM
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17. His books are interesting

NOW...

If you told me there is this guy who loved the Communist Manifesto, I'd say ... we'll he's a commie.

If you told me there is this guy who loved Mein Kampf I'd say he was a Nazi/Fascist

If you told me there is this guy who loves BOTH the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf I'd be really confused.

Back when Nazism was on the rise in Germany, it was left wing groups (Socialists, Commies) that were the arch enemy of Hitler.

So I don't see how Communism and Fascism are now one and the same?

Ahh...so let me ask, WHAT group of people actually equate the two extreme ideologies as the same? What group of people have called President Obama a Nazi? Called him a Communist? Compared him to both Stalin and Hitler?

The ONLY people on planet earth trying to equate communism and fascism as the same things are the one and only Tea Party.

They literally are brainwashing the entire masses that ALL extreme ideologies are those 'on the left'....
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 07:51 AM
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18. Loughner's reading list reminds me of someone whose searching
Keep in mind, the guy is young and was still probably searching for his identity. I mean, I read the Bible before deciding it wasn't for me. I've read lots of things that don't define who I am today. And let's be honest, he could have very well listed those as his favorite books on purpose, never having read them, just so he could confuse people--the total mind fuck.

As far as Newt goes, he's the one that really took, whole hog, to dehumanizing Democrats and Liberals during the Clinton years. If you want to place blame onto the Conservative movement, I think Newt is one of the first one's in line to receive it.
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 10:46 AM
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22. True - I had read all of Ayn Rand's books by the time that I was
his age, among many, many others, simply because a lot of my friends at the time had read "Anthem." Most stopped there.
I actually her found boring and confusing for the most part, with a lot of muddled thinking in her writing, certainly nothing to build a coherent, relevant or pragmatic political philosophy around. I believe that a lot of those who "love" her writing really haven't read her work.
Just because one has books in one's home doesn't mean, by any means, that one has read them.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 08:05 AM
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19. Truly rich from one who first started the demonization of Democrats in 1990
(Remember Newt's list of how to describe Democrats? Yes, we do!)

Every Word Matters: Using 'Keywords' as a Political Tactic
By Tom Ball

05/16/04

In 1990, Newt Gingrich published a booklet he called "Language: A Key Mechanism of Control". He mailed his little manifesto to Republican leaders throughout the land and encouraged them to "paint a vivid, brilliant word picture." Gingrich, showing a distrust for his fellow Republicans' judgement, saw fit to supply the leaders with two lists of keywords, a positive word list to use in describing themselves and a negative keyword list to describe those evil Democrats.

Gingrich's negative words for Democrats

"Anti-flag, anti-family, anti-child, anti-jobs, betray, coercion, collapse, consequences, corruption, crises, decay, deeper, destroy, destructive, devour, endanger, failure, greed, hypocrisy, ideological, impose, incompetent, insecure, liberal, lie, limit(s), pathetic, permissive attitude, radical, self-serving, sensationalists, shallow, sick, they/them, threaten, traitors, unionized bureaucracy, urgent, waste"

So now we know what Gingrich was doing when he wasn't busy cheating on his sick wife or serving divorce papers to her in the hospital while she received cancer treatment so he could marry his bimbo. Busy! Busy! Busy!

http://www.politicalstrategy.org/archives/000013.php

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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 08:41 AM
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20. republicans on the defensive
expect it to get worse. They don't do defense very well.
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 11:09 AM
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24. Awwww, Newt's so adorable when he's trying to be relevant. n/t
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 12:46 PM
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25. Congrats, Newt! You're the first Candidate for this year's "You Call This NEWS?" award!
Last year's awards ceremony will be posted early next week.

:headbang:
rocktivity
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 12:50 PM
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26. god
Why is he always try to make himself relevant!?! *banging head on my desk in frustration*
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