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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 11:55 PM
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I don't remember: did Lloyd Bentsen issue a statement after the Dukakis-Bentsen
lost in 1988? Did Dan Quayle in 1992? Did Jack Kemp in 1996? What about Joe Lieberman in 2000 and John Edwards in 2004?

No, it is the head of the ticket who issues the concession speech. (OK, 2000 was different).

So why is Palin upset that the McCain campaign would not allow her to speak to the crowd after Obama was declared the winner?


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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 11:58 PM
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1. Because its all about her.
Ole John would have already died in his sleep had he been elected Pres.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 04:50 PM
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27. I still remember the "McCain in '08-Palin in '09" stickers
n/t.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 11:58 PM
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2. Look AT Me!!!!!!!!!
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nsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 11:59 PM
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3. Yes, he did.
Apparently, this is one thing Sarah Palin was right about, or at least not too far off on.

http://www.observer.com/4298/palin-wasnt-just-being-diva

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 12:02 AM
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4. Well, that's makes it even better..
she was denied it was she so instrumental in making them Losers.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 12:11 AM
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6. Thanks for the link. Interesting
Still, it appears that some losing tickets were split. The head of the ticket gave the official concession speech while the running mate was at a different place.

Or, perhaps, the McCain campaign just reached its breaking point with her..

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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 12:05 AM
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5. Sorry, but she wasn't the first
from the New York Observer

Palin Wasn't Just Being a Diva

When aides went to load McCain’s concession speech into the teleprompter, they found a concession speech for Palin—written by Bush speechwriter Matthew Scully, who had also been the principal drafter of her convention speech—already on the system. Schmidt and Salter told Palin that there was no tradition of Election Night speeches by running mates, and that she wouldn’t be giving one. Palin was insistent. “Are those John’s wishes?” she asked. They were, she was told. But Palin took the issue to McCain himself, raising it on the walk from his suite to the outdoor rally. Again the answer was no.

A defense of Sarah Palin—sort of—is in order here. McCain’s refusal to allow her to make her own concession speech was widely discussed after last November’s election, and the prevailing view was that Palin had behaved like a diva. After all, who ever heard of a running mate giving an Election Night speech?

Well … actually, concession (or victory) speeches from running mates are pretty standard. Here’s the history since 1988

Losing VP candidate: Lloyd Bentsen

Election Night speech: Delivered from the Driskill Hotel in Austin, Texas, where he told supporters that he and Michael Dukakis “waged a campaign that's worthy of the American people. He made me proud to be his partner. He made me proud to be his running mate and he made me proud to be an American.” Bentsen didn’t appear in Boston with Dukakis because he was also a candidate for reelection to the Senate in Texas (a race he won over Republican Beau Boulter).

Losing VP candidate: Quayle

Election Night speech: Appeared with Bush and told a crowd in Houston that if Clinton ran the country nearly as well as he ran his campaign, “the country will be fine.”

Losing VP candidate: Jack Kemp

Election Night speech: At the Costa Mesa Hotel in Malibu (far from his running mate, Bob Dole), Kemp told a packed ballroom that “the ideas of this campaign will live on and I pledge to continue to advance these ideas upon which the future of this nation depends.”

Losing VP candidate: John Edwards

Election Night speech: Again, it was actually the day after, but Edwards joined John Kerry onstage in Boston and delivered the first concession speech; in it, he tried to assure bitter Democrats that he and Kerry would make sure every vote was counted in Ohio, even though they were officially conceding the race.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 12:13 AM
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7. Thanks. Perhaps the McCain campaign just had it with her
and the last thing they needed on their frayed nerves was her shrill voice..

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 01:13 AM
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8. I remember Quayle's concession. It was a noble concession that improved my opinion of him.
Edited on Wed Nov-18-09 01:14 AM by jobycom
He may have been dim, wrong, a mediocrity, well out of his league... any number of things, but there was a strange honesty about him I liked. His concession to Clinton was one example. Another was when he was asked during an interview what he would do if his daughter wanted to have an abortion. He gave the platform answer that he would try to dissuade her and show her the options and all of that, but when the interviewer pushed on and asked "But if all that failed, what would you do?" You could see Quayle think about it, and he answered as a father instead of a politician. "I would stand by her no matter what she decided," he said. Very touching moment. Of course, the next day his spouse stated emphatically that their daughter would never have an abortion, but Dan had revealed himself to be a slight cut above her by that point.

Not that I would have voted for him, mind you. :)
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 11:15 AM
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13. But this is probably exactly the reason why McCain nixed the idea of Palin giving one
Edited on Wed Nov-18-09 11:15 AM by rvablue
As you remember, his speech was quite tame and gracious. He conceded and wished the President Elect well. McCain probably suspected the nasty, self-absorbed, "soldier on" speech that Palin would give, and the fact that she wanted every single one of her aunts, uncles, cousins and friends up on the stage with her probably scared the crap out of the campaign.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 01:48 PM
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18. This, of course, is the different between Conservatives who stop to think
about their daughters in real terms, and between the others, rabid, who just foam at the mouth and then, quietly, if needed, do stand by their daughters.

This is the difference between what the Republican party used to be and the one that has become.

I was on a message board dominated by super Conservatives and it was after the NY votes and someone asked - rhetorically, he though - what moderate conservative would be pro-choice? Goldwater, I replied. And, no doubt, Eisenhower, Javits, Rockefeller, probably Ford.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 02:46 PM
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22. Good post. nt
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 01:40 PM
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17. There seems to be some big differences here between them and Palin.
And that's every one of these candidates were at a different rally than the presidential candidate.

So, it isn't a surprise they gave a speech.

The only candidate who shared the stage with the top of the ticket was Edwards.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 01:27 AM
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9. The posters are correct she thinks the world is revolving
around her. And the media is just pumping her higher and higher. I think she really believes the crap she is spewing and that she really could win an election.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 07:40 AM
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10. on that matter, how much did John Kerry get to say on the Sunday morning shows
after losing the 2004 election? And yet, John McCain is featured regularly ...
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 08:34 AM
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11. I wouldnt have let her speak either n/t
Edited on Wed Nov-18-09 08:34 AM by spiritual_gunfighter
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Rupert Notmurdoch Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:55 AM
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12. Although, in retrospect.....
...I'm surprised that Lieberman didn't make a four-hour speech after Gore's artful concession!
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 01:52 PM
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19. Gore conceded and then retracted
and by the time it was over Lieberman knew to stand out of the way, to start working on his 2004 campaign. This was when national security was not a major issue. If you remember, until the primaries really started, he was the front runner, with a large name recognition.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 11:18 AM
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14. Palin is upset about it because it was so telling.
Not only was she unqualified to make a substantial political address, her running mate clearly knew it, and what is worst of all is that the snub made it obvious to most of the rest of the country.

No, strike that. What is worst of all is that she'll never run for office again, so America's last memory of her will be of a campaign that was ashamed of her. Her ego won't let her let it go yet, but she will find that the myriad of softball girly interviews she does this year will not undo her Big Fail.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 12:49 PM
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15. I can't remember the others but, Edwards was given the time to give a
short comment thanking the people who worked on the campaign etc, before Kerry gave the concession speech. (I think because it was the next day and they were both there, it made sense to do this)
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 04:51 PM
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28. Mondale also gave a short concession speech in 1980
But he was in Minnesota, not in D.C. with President Carter. If they'd been in the same place, I don't think it would've happened.
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 01:18 PM
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16. Remember when she called it the Palin-McCain ticket?
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 01:55 PM
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20. Did she? Really?
I did not follow that closely on what she was saying.

Apparently, she also put down the campaign did not go aggressively after Obama. No doubt, she thought that it was a weakness by McCain to stand up to that woman who claimed that Obama was "not an American."
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 01:58 PM
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21. Yeah, during a rally last year
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 04:20 PM
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24. What a dork! Thanks for the link (nt)
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 02:58 PM
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23. I think that we are sort of missing the point


The key point is that Palin couldn't sell the speech to McCain. If she can't get agreement with the person who did the msot to advance her career then how well would she perform in getting agreement to legislation?


Also her lack of deference to McCain after everything he did to pick her from obscurity is absolutely shocking.


I remember something about being charitable on the way up because the trip on the way down will be kind of bumpy.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 04:35 PM
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25. Probably because she thought she could launch her 2012 campaign that night
The McCain people could well have figured(and this would make perfect sense)that her speech would have been pretty much "we lost because I wasn't the nominee and we didn't run the campaign my way. If we'd been meaner and had nailed that uppity...community organizer, we'd have taken 48 states tonight!".

Nobody wants their former running mate to dance on their electoral grave.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 04:38 PM
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26. Two Words - Attention Whore
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