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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 06:24 PM
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Obama proposes slashing heating aid to the poor.
Edited on Wed Feb-09-11 06:25 PM by cali
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 06:25 PM
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1. "It's not what you think it is!" "He *has* to do it!" "It's actually *progressive*!," etc.
It's coming...
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 06:29 PM
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3. it better not.
I'm feeling savage about this.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:09 PM
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28. It has.
We've been told it's really okay because the funding is still higher than 2008 levels.

Because it's not like a lot of people's situations haven't gotten substantially worse since then or anything.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 03:46 AM
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46. and of course the heating oil companies would *never* raise their rates in the mean time!
n/t
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 01:49 AM
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42. Progressive... only because the goal posts have been moved to Long Island
Our beloved Democratic President... we're so lucky that we voted him into office. Think how things would have really SUCKED if we'd gotten someone like FDR in there:

millions of jobs created
national parks refurbished
roads, bridges, highways built
libraries built and filled with books
etc.

Yeah, we'd have hated that. I'm just glad that Pres. Obama saved the big banks, big auto, big manufacturing, big retail, big etc., instead of wasting money trying to stop foreclosures on hard working Americans' homes.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 06:28 PM
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2. this just a few weeks after extending the tax cuts for the wealthy
did I misread that ballot? Is this really a Dem?
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 06:31 PM
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4. Appalling. LIHEAP is a vitally needed program.
God forbid we should cut hedge funds managers' taxes to those of the rest of us. No, instead let's cut heat in the winter and cooling in the summer to the poor, including the elderly.

If they are going to die, perhaps they ought to do it, and decrease the surplus population.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 06:35 PM
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5. John Kerry asks Obama to reconsider

Reports that President Barack Obama's upcoming budget will propose steep cuts in the government's energy assistance fund for low-income Americans ricocheted quickly on Capitol Hill Wednesday, spurring some intraparty squabbling.

Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) wrote a letter to Obama asking him not to drop funding for the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP) by about $3 billion.

"I understand that difficult cuts have to be made," the Massachusetts Democrat wrote. "But in the middle of a brutal, even historic, New England winter, home heating assistance is more critical than ever to the health and welfare of millions of Americans, especially senior citizens. I request that the administration preserve LIHEAP funding at least to the Fiscal Year 2010 funding at $5.1 billion when it submits its FY12 budget proposal to Congress."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/09/obama-poor-energy-cuts-kerry-letter_n_821061.html

There is no way this critical program should be cut, while we refuse to cut the tax breaks for the wealthy.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 06:40 PM
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11. The cuts really wouldn't make sense.
"Reports that President Barack Obama's upcoming budget will propose steep cuts in the government's energy assistance fund for low-income Americans ricocheted quickly on Capitol Hill Wednesday, spurring some intraparty squabbling."

Hmmmm?

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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 06:36 PM
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6. K&R.
I'd like an answer on this as well.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 06:41 PM
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12. it's a blatant
and ugly political move- on the backs of the poor.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 06:37 PM
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9. "Anyone want to defend him on this?" Have you considered that
this is a specualtion or a trial balloon?

<...>

The Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program, or LIHEAP, would see funding drop by about $3 billion from an authorized 2009 total of $5.1 billion. The proposed cut will not touch the program's emergency reserve fund, about $590 million, which can be used during particularly harsh cold snaps or extended heat spells, three officials told National Journal.

In 2010, Obama signed into law an omnibus budget resolution that released a total of about $5 billion in LIHEAP grants for 2011. Pointing to the increasing number of Americans who made use of the grants last year, advocates say that LIHEAP is already underfunded. The American Gas Association predicts that 3 million Americans eligible for the program won't be able to receive it unless LIHEAP funding stays at its current level.

How many people, if any, might actually lose the assistance is difficult to determine. Officials were quick to point out that LIHEAP spending has grown significantly over the past several years as the government tried to keep up with rising gas prices. In 2008, the government spent $2.8 billion on LIHEAP. In 2009, thanks to the Recovery Act, better known as the stimulus bill, the figure jumped to $8.1 billion. So the cut from that high level restores LIHEAP to something close to where it was before Obama took office. Other circumstances, such as the weather and fuel prices, could affect the distribution of benefits.

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LIHEAP was funded at $2.8 billion in 2008. In 2009, it was funded at $5.1 billion, climbing to $8.1 billion with the Stimulus. That's a $2.3 billion increase over 2008 (or $5.3 billion with the Stimulus). In 2011, it was $5 billion.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 06:43 PM
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13. it's not speculation.
and if it's a trial balloon, that's pretty ugly and cynical. And every fucking penny of that money is needed to keep people from suffering.

Don't you think there are better places to cut 2.5 billion dollars?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 07:21 PM
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19. I hope it was speculation
As to a trial balloon - I hope not, because even if not done it will hurt many to think he would have considered it.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 07:29 PM
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22. I said trial balloon,
but I don't doubt that there are people who float things that they want to proposed to the President similar to military brass.


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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 07:45 PM
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25. Missed that - do you mean someone in the administration floated it
because they intended to propose it if there was not major push back?

The AP article includes a point that the Republicans want to nearly completely gut the program.

"Separately, House Republicans on Wednesday outlined a plan for $35 billion in immediate spending cuts that would practically eliminate the program's contingency fund. Republicans would cut $400 million from the $490 million fund."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hznktd75KGKaGAlE7Q3nj3YoWvXA?docId=25660854102642308608e00b98043cf7
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 07:55 PM
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26. It's hard to tell what's going on
with article after article leaking stuff. What's certain is that everything that some of the Generals say isn't a fact of policy.

There are likely many people across the various agencies contributing to the budget development process.

Kerry responding is an alert. Now, we'll see.

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:19 PM
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30. I agree with you - and reading Kerry's actual letter, he speaks of POTENTIAL cuts
and references the news media as the source. This means that he obviously did not hear this officially from teh administration. (I do agree that it is very good that he is responding so quickly - as things are harder to eliminate the longer they are assumed in the process.


Dear Mr. President:

I am writing to express my deep concern about the potential for extreme cuts in the Low Income Home Energy Heating Assistance Program (LIHEAP) that – judging by today’s news reports – may be included in the administration’s budget request for Fiscal Year 2012.

I understand that difficult cuts have to be made, and from Gramm-Rudman deficit reduction to the 1993 deficit reduction act I’ve always supported serious efforts to restore fiscal sanity, but in the middle of a brutal, even historic, New England winter, home heating assistance is more critical than ever to the health and welfare of millions of Americans, especially senior citizens. I request that the administration preserve LIHEAP funding at least to the Fiscal Year 2010 funding at $5.1 billion when it submits its FY12 budget proposal to Congress.

We simply cannot afford to cut LIHEAP funding during one of the most brutal winters in history. Families across Massachusetts, and the country, depend on these monies to heat their homes and survive the season. It is estimated that over 3 million families that qualify for heating assistance would not receive it if the funding levels are not maintained. Compounding the situation is the increased cost of home heating oil, which is roughly 12 percent higher than last year.

LIHEAP is already strained as it is – I have submitted requests for that last several years to increase the overall funding because the assistance didn’t match the need. Cutting the program now would be devastating to the Northeast that depends on this support. If an increase is not an option we must do everything we can not to leave children and families out in the cold.

I again request that you maintain level funding at $5.1 billion for the LIHEAP program and provide vital heating assistance this winter. Thank you for your consideration.



Sincerely,

John F. Kerry


http://kerry.senate.gov/press/release/?id=56dea7b7-c700-4c5d-8196-c8c63146e3a3
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 06:31 PM
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62. We don't need politicos playing games with the lives of real people.
I don't care about 'feints' or interdimensional chess. A humane government does not play games with the lives of vulnerable human beings. Especially the weakest among us.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:18 AM
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90. This whole thing is most likely a lie to get people riled up.
There's too many other things saying this is false.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:18 AM
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89. Most of this stuff is what people hear. And then people claim it's Obama who's doing such and such.
I'm really fed up with this BS. SS cuts and then this and there were so many before. At this point this faux rage is going into overdrive. The left is no different from the right. Remember in the right how many people are quick to believe that Obama was going to put grandmothers on death panels and shit like that. This is the same shit going on in the left. There is a serious effort to undermine Obama's support with conjecture and it seems people fall for it----hook line and sinker.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 10:56 AM
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96. +++ a lot!
you would think people would learn!

soooo many of the 'death panel' stories here and just pure bullshit, and over and over again people fall all over a hint that Obama is going to kill or hate another group of poor or middle class people.

whats that saying about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results... well it sure the heck applies here to Obama bashing stories.

the results will be the same this time as well... the above 'story', (which it isn't, it's really a he said/she said)
then when proven wrong
there will be the Silence
then onto the next story Karl Rove feeds
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 11:09 AM
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99. Amen, and amen!
I'm not sure how it is that we spent years laughing at the TeaHadists swallow the BS while chewing on words like "proposed" and "intends on" and "wants to" and still see these same BS tactics swallowed before our very eyes.

The REAL BUDGET PROPOSAL has not even hit Congress yet, and we're expected to eviscerate ourselves in outrage? Jesus God. WTF?

Congress will get the proposal and will pick it apart for months and months. When the rubber meets the road and the FACTS are on the table, I'll give the appropriate outrage to the appropriate source. Until then, lock Granny in the closet because Obama wants to turn her into a Muslin and put her in front of a death panel and he'll probably personally water-board her as well.


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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 12:26 AM
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81. Bravo
I'd like the next balloon twisted into the shape of a puppy, can you do that one too?
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 03:03 PM
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108. Just like a liberal. Always wanting ponies and puppies.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 02:03 AM
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84. That's how it started with extending the tax cuts for the rich
"he'll NEVER do that"...we were told.

When he does, you'll defend it, just like you defended that. Just like you defended letting the healthcare bill get watered-down to nothing.

Just like you'll defend it when he guts Social Security.

For you, if a Democratic president does it, it's ok.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 03:02 PM
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107. Just how many freezing children are you okay with?
Try it this way. Do you defend the concept?

If there is a cut in the Low Income Energy Assistance Program and Obama signs it, will you defend that action? Do you support cutting of funds that supply heating for the poor?

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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 06:39 PM
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10. The only thing I can come up with is
He's not aware of this. A Federal budget is a vast, unwieldy thing, and to go line by line to see exactly what is being cut and by how much would be a daunting challenge. Surely, the parties affected, and/or their advocates, would notice, and bring the cut into the public eye. That's what's happening here, and the President will look into this, now that he's aware of it.

That's the best I can do, sigh...
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 06:43 PM
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14. Interesting--the slash brings it back to about 2008 levels--
which would effectively eliminate funding provided by the recovery bill. If you note, the article says the expenditure jumped nearly 6 billion due to recovery act monies in a single year.

I think that's not good--I think the Congress should find the money in the budget, and make sure any cuts are minimal.

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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 06:57 PM
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15. NPR repeats an article from the National Review ... oh no!!!! nt
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 07:19 PM
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18. That is what happens when Trillion dollar deficits exist every year
Congress is more responsible for excessive spending than Obama.
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 07:43 PM
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24. Thank you.
It doesn't matter much what the President proposes for a budget, because the budget has to be passed by Congress. And, by the time they are through with it, it rarely resembles anything the President proposed. The past three fiscal years are a perfect example. I swear, I'm getting really sick of this shit. Just Monday, and idiot repug I know, who works for the Dept. of Agriculture, was bitching about the current budget resolution, blaming it on the dreadful, godawful "Obama". Never mind that the budget didn't get passed because CONGRESS refused to deal with it back in September, and decided they'd rather go campaign. It amazes me that someone can work for the government, and not fucking understand how the government works AND vote republican. Boggles the mind.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 07:59 PM
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27. "It doesn't matter much what the President proposes for a budget"
I don't agree. Look at what happened with the foreclosure bill, making its way to the President without anyone noticing.

If the President proposes it, do you think the Republicans (and even some Democrats) will reject it?


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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 08:23 PM
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110. Yeah, it's not like Obama holds a veto pen or anything. n/t
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 07:30 PM
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23. It is indeed disgusting
I imagine some will jump in trying to say it isn't his fault, he didn't know, and that NPR is not a reputable source. Right.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:10 PM
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29. I don't see anyone doing this but carry on with the ragedump.
Edited on Wed Feb-09-11 08:11 PM by Arkana
If it actually happens, no one in their right mind would defend him on it. The difference between you and me, however, is that I will wait to see if it actually HAPPENS before drawing and quartering him.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 09:27 PM
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33. ...
Edited on Wed Feb-09-11 09:31 PM by MissDeeds
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 11:55 PM
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36. Bookmarking.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 08:35 AM
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51. Umm...
Edited on Thu Feb-10-11 08:36 AM by polmaven
You are proposing actually waiting for proof before ranting about *alleged* wrongs?????? How will that help anything? :sarcasm:
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 02:06 AM
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85. All of which YOU said about the tax cuts for bazillionaires
You know, the tax cuts that we're now NEVER going to get rid of?

The ones that CAUSED the fiscal situation that will lead to shit like this(and to the mutilation of Social Security that we all know you're ALSO going to defend, because "it's enough that it's a Democratic President doing the cuts".)

You are a loyal follower of the "It's ok when OUR guy does it" school of politics.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 01:37 AM
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39. Are you for, or against, cuts to military budgets which largely put money in the pockets of workers?
Put a little more honestly, this is outrage over big budget numbers, without full context.

1. Is this much funding actually needed?
2. Is the program being abused by people with 20 room "houses" crying poor?
3. Does the funding adequately reflect fuel costs, heating costs, etc.?
4. Could the money be diverted to other programs with a better impact, such as reducing energy costs?
5. Why are folks in favor of subsidizing "big energy" money giveaways... to energy companies who want us to remain on a fossil fuel teat?

I reserve disgust until after I have a few more bits of information than ones that claim that "Obama not giving money away to oil companies is bad for the poor". Not buying it.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 11:48 PM
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35. Interesting
This doesn't sound good, but some are applauding President Obama for being the grown up in the room making the hard choices. :shrug:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 12:38 AM
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37. "Harrd choices" = "not the ones going hungry".
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 04:41 PM
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58. We shall see n/t
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 01:57 PM
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105. We already have seen.
The well off in this country will not be going hungry anytime soon. On the other hand, even if Obama does nothing (which is the best we can hope for at this point), there already are millions going hungry as I type this. Men, women, children. I just spoke to a man downtown an hour ago who was eating cold Beefaroni out of a can. The proof of how much the elite of this world care is already in. I honesty don't know how much more evidence people need at this point. Will it take seeing someone they know and love eating like that before they care enough to get upset? :shrug:
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 01:36 AM
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38. Where is Chavez when Americans need him and his oil for poor people?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 02:58 AM
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44. Here in the Northeast I feel that Chavez cares more than Obama does.
No cost of living increase for those on SSI for two years now, even though food prices have gone through the roof. I certainly don't feel like Obama cares. Chavez provides heating oil for my region. How sad is it that I feel that he cares more about me than my own president does?
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 09:12 AM
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52. To believe that 'Chavez cares about you' is the height of naivete.
Edited on Thu Feb-10-11 09:13 AM by COLGATE4
Chavez' only interest in providing the heating oil to US communities it to try and embarrass the U.S. by having people draw the same conclusion you came to: "I feel that he cares more about me than my own president does". Apparently, he has succeeded.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 02:43 PM
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56. Our President is making it rather easy for the perception to be made.
If the President feels embarrassed by the actions of Chavez he has only himself to blame.
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 01:38 AM
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40. I unrec because no way will President Obama do that to poor people.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 06:37 PM
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66. He gave 5 billion in 2010 to the LIHEAP who would be getting cut here.
So I totally agree with you. It makes no sense and doesn't add up to the actions in 2010.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 08:14 PM
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74. Then why float the balloon?
Chess, again?
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:22 AM
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91. Who stated it was Obama who floated the balloon?
The article says it comes out of the WH---who in the WH?! We've known since Obama's been President there has been things said that has riled people up. The Admin says this...then we find out it's some lackey spreading false information. This is NPR for god's sake. NPR was also the news agency that stated there would be SS tax cuts...false. This was the same news organization that stated Congresswoman Giffords was dead while the sheriff clearly said no she was not but everyone still believed NPR over the sheriff. I think we have to take a step back here and wait until there is a budget report to view, since we're allowed to view them and then create the dialogue. People float around a lot of things when talks are going on. None of them are always true. And yet...people here are quick to turn on the President when he can't control all the mouths that are running around him.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 12:56 PM
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104. If that's the case, then the president lacks the ability to manage his people.
Edited on Sat Feb-12-11 12:56 PM by Exilednight
On the other hand, we have to wonder why the WH, if this is false, hasn't jumped up to try and correct the record.

Yes, Obama knows about this, or he's just too inept to know what is going on in his own house.

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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 01:41 AM
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41. No i will not defend him
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 02:59 AM
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45. Isn't it mean to deny heating to those who can't afford it?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 05:43 AM
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48. Mean? I'm mean? I care about the people who will suffer if this happens
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:24 AM
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92. You're peddling this information as though it's a fact. n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 09:41 AM
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Citizen Worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 04:57 AM
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47. But there's plenty of money for banks and bombs. Cuts have to be made somewhere and the ruling class
and the MICC have said no. That leaves the working class to suffer the cuts. Nothing new here.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 08:09 AM
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50. I'm not going to defend the decision
and we should call him on it (and any other decisions we disagree with) however it seems like a lot of people are simply ready to toss him overboard. Surely we can all disagree with him on something w/o crucifying him- or is that basically what it's come down to? :shrug:
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 09:35 AM
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53. What is wrong with him? I surely wish we'd gotten Al Gore and then
John Kerry. The world would be a different place.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 12:41 PM
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55. I'll file this next to "he's going to announce SS cuts at the SOTU."
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 06:36 PM
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65. As always. At this point...nothing can stop the rage.n/t
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 11:02 AM
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97. and vetoing DADT, thats a fat file as well.
:)
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mochajava666 Donating Member (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 04:15 PM
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57. There is no defense for this hypocrite
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 06:43 PM
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68. Why don't you wait until you see the ENTIRE budget proposal before puking out such insults?
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mochajava666 Donating Member (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 10:52 AM
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95. Because he has lost any credibility
He has covered for torturers, broken his promise of letting the Bush tax cuts for the rich to expire, GITMO is still open for business, there is a secret prison in Afghanistan outside the airport that the Red Cross and Amnesty International can't inspect, illegal rendition is still OK, the Patriot act was strengthened in his first years and it took the Tea Party to do the right thing to let some aspects of it expire, bonus money went to the millionaires that caused the depression, the public option was negotiated away even though the majority of the public wanted it, and mandates are now defended, which he criticized Hillary for in the Primaries.

I LOVED candidate Obama, but I have contempt for most of what he has done as President.

After all of the evidence of Obama's tenure so far, it takes a suspension of disbelief to think that all of a sudden he would stand up for the poor.

He is indefensible, unless you ignore all of the facts, and it breaks my heart to see this.

I would suggest that you try to be more objective.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 05:46 PM
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 06:35 PM
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64. You realize this is all speculation right. Like the bogus like about the SS cuts. n/t
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 01:11 AM
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82. Uh, we're not out of the woods on SS yet. Not by a long shot. eom
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:25 AM
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93. Are we still on this? We've been out of that for a while.
I was about to say Obama stated at the SoTU that we're not touching SS...but then I realized most everyone on DU thinks he's a liar so they'd rather believe a falsehood than reality. Whatever...
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 11:23 AM
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100. Well he has lied to us about things.
He was promising a public option in HCR well after he cut a deal with insurance cos. to keep it out of the bill.
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Lard Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 06:25 PM
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60. Nothing you can say
Obama just gave it to the poor hard, deep, and wide. :mad:
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WiffenPoof Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 06:30 PM
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61. This Seems To Be Another...
,,,,lose/lose situation.

If the President is doing this to garner support from the Right, he can forget it. They are never going to see him as anything less than am anti-American Socialist, regardless of what he does.

So we have a situation where the people are getting screwed and no amount of compromise is going to change the minds of those on the right.

I just scratch my head in wonderment.

-PLA
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 06:34 PM
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63. Not to be funny but NPR has lied countless times. Secondly, no proof yet.
This is sounding suspiciously like the SS cuts crap. Just last year the Obama admin gave 5 billion to LIHEAP. So I don't get this.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 06:42 PM
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67. What a bunch of panic-button-pushing extremist Obama-bashing. THAT is what is DISGUSTING !
Edited on Thu Feb-10-11 06:45 PM by RBInMaine
The proposal is to restore funding to previous levels. This is hyperbolic. The program spiked, just as many other programs spiked under the stimulus bill. Now that extra funding has been used up.
People aren't looking inside the numbers nor the big picture. And nothing has been officially proposed nor as passed yet. Let's look at the entire budget. What if it also includes tens of billions in cuts in military spending. Are you then going to attack him for that? Why not wait until until the ENTIRE budget proposal is issued, THEN look at the big picture.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 06:48 PM
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70. It is a cut. Just like not implementing the bush/obama tax cuts would have
been a tax increase.

The poor really should just shut the fuck up. They had heating last year. They should be tankful. They can heat themselves with their bootstraps next year.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:13 AM
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87. Actually the article states it's a cut.
I've been searching far and wide to get my hands on the budget proposal. Which is normally out there for the public when it's written. I have yet to see this proposal. If you have it on and hand and seen it please send it my way. Until then, there is no proof but reactionary silliness like the SS cuts fiasco, which was shown to be false.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 06:46 PM
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69. And he also is proposing ELIMINATING subsidies to big oil, and major military cuts. How about that??
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 06:49 PM
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71. The military cuts a drop in the bucket. He is still keeping his wars going.
And, that is no excuse to cut services to the poor, who need it most.
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 09:34 PM
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76. I love the attitude "well he did this so doing that is okay"
:crazy:
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:10 AM
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86. No he's not. MIlitary cuts don't work well with keeping wars. That's just logic.
It was stated since last year and clearly stated on Rachel Maddow's show that the this summer the last 50,000 troops come out of Iraq. And also the first round of troops start coming out of Afghanistan. This was stated by a military official, a general I believe and that was his orders from the top. So for those who are continuing the meme that the wars are continuing this is false. They are on the road to ending....or ending as quickly as it can be done. Many have also stated that troops are being sent in for other rounds. What they don't get is that this was done in Iraq as well, to help the other some odd thousands of troops to take down things the military had established.
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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 12:24 AM
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80. Sauce has never been so weak.

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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 07:10 PM
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72. There's no way anyone can defend that. n/t
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 08:13 PM
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73. If he has to float trial balloons, why not one about withdrawing from Afghanistan?
I mean, a trial balloon about cutting billions from low income housing?

Why?
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 09:25 PM
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75. How about scrapping that ridiculous missile shield in Europe
that's supposed to shoot down the Iranian missile heading toward the U.S. once it's made? The U.S. has spent more than $80 billion on missile defense since 1985.
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 09:52 PM
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77. This is a joke ... like something from the Onion,...right?
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 11:27 PM
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78. this would not be a good idea n/t
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 12:10 AM
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79. It is better for their health
Edited on Fri Feb-11-11 12:13 AM by golfguru
Cool temps in the house during winter has more moisture in the air.
A house kept at 72+ degrees F has less humidity than Sahara desert.
And that lack of humidity causes drying up of membranes in breathing passages,
resulting in more susceptibility to colds and flu.

Have you noticed homeless people rarely get colds in winter? I am not advocating homelessness.
I am just trying to prove a point that our homes are over heated in winter, and it is not
necessarily better for health.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 01:49 AM
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83. Hmm, where is the trial balloon coming from the WH suggesting an
INCREASE of money for heating/cooling for the poor?

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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:14 AM
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88. Dunno...last year Obama gave 5 billion to LIHEAP. Does it make any sense he's doing massive cuts?
n/t
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 09:56 AM
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94. No, not at all that I can see, no cuts for the poor should be his motto. n/t
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 11:06 AM
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98. The number for 2010 was for $8 M, so these are massive cuts. That the $3 additional M come from a
Edited on Fri Feb-11-11 11:11 AM by Mass
different line in the budget in the budget will make no difference to those who will receive less subsidies. Yes, the number for 2011 is $5M, but it is underfunded. Why continue to underfund 2012?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h_V28IDJ2gXfgqQLYJFOEt9P1qgA?docId=4553b82c6976419e92849c4a82261c2e

Obviously, those working at OMB have never relied on LIHEAP to heat their home. Or is it just that this administration is so busy playing with the GOP that they forget those who need their help the most.
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 12:16 AM
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101. stimulus funding for programs is expiring.
and people are spinning it as slashing aid and drastic cuts and calling it fucking disgusting.

A stimulus of $800 billion intended to be spent over 2 years is going to drastically increase budgets in many areas. All of those increases are not sustainable and certainly are not going to be passed in this Congress. We had a hard enough time with a Dem majority.

What I would like to see is an honest discussion without all of the immediate outrage over every freakin' announcement over every program's funding levels. Let's talk about program budgets pre-stimulus, talk about alternative programs that might have been initiated and have an honest discussion.

I don't want to see LIHEAP or Head Start lose any funding, but I also want to know the truth behind the numbers. Are we comparing the next budget numbers to pre-stimulus numbers or the shot in the arm, stimulus numbers that can be spun to make returning to a pre-stimulus budget look like a cut.

I'm sick of all the attacks over every editorial or every press release of an organization that is lobbying for funding and filled with spin. Damn it, we're smarter than that and we should be able to see the spin for what it is and have an honest discussion.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 11:50 PM
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111. Why was the funding increased? On a whim?
Did the money not help poor people? Did Obama just raise the money for no reason? Did the reason go away? Are all the people who needed heat last year now out of poverty?

Why was it okay -even made glorious - that the richest 2 percent in the country got to keep their stimulus tax breaks, but the poor have to give theirs up?

Damn it. We are smarter than the WH spin team. An honest discussion wouldn't use the tiny percentage of the budget that is keeping poor children from shivering as a sop to the republicans to make them like us. An honest discussion would show that cutting these funds won't affect the budget in any meaningful way, that they are a few molecules in the proverbial drop in a bucket of the Federal Budget. This is a shameful and callous play for conservative approval. Those that can defend it are those whose heating won't be shut off this Winter. I'm sure that the nasty republicans in Congress that think this is a good idea won't have their heat shut off. And our tax money will certainly pay to keep the heat cranked up at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Give it up. This is a nasty, cynical piece of work that won't help the budget, will cause pain and hardship to thousands, and in the end won't garner one tiny little bit of the praise the President wants from the right wing. There is no defense for it.
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Moral_Imagination Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 03:55 AM
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102. So you thought the Stimulus would stay in effect forever?
Did you make lots of positive posts about this program when it was almost tripled by Stimulus?
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Avant Guardian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 11:20 AM
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103. Gotta pay for those Bush tax cuts somehow
Start with the poor.
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great white snark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 02:05 PM
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106. Just like cutting Social Security was supposed to do?
Oh wait, that never happened and here you are accepting speculation as fact.
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Avant Guardian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 12:29 PM
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112. Yeah, Obama didn't extend those tax cuts for the rich
Im just speculating again
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 03:05 PM
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109. So the rich get to keep their stimulus, but poor children
gotta freeze. That your idea of a good way to go? That sound like the Democratic party to you?
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 02:08 PM
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113. Obama will say he hated to do it, but we've got to get the deficit down while rich got their tax cut
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Marnie Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 03:42 PM
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114. Obama to freeze elderly and kids to death. Repubs kill Kermit the Frog
There is really nothing that can be said about that.

Except Repubs also want to kill elderly and kids in warm states and cold states, and adolescents, and teens, and middle aged, and pregnant women and sickly fetuses and neonates and leave wounded Vets disabled for life for want of help.
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