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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 05:36 AM
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I don't ever remember a prominent Democrat ever attacking Laura Bush...
Yet mainstream Republicans have been relentless toward Michelle Obama and no one has called 'em out on this. Why? How is it acceptable to attack the First Lady of the United States - who is not doing anything divisive, is not an elected official and has historically used her power for humanitarian reasons?

It's absurd how the mainstream media allows this assault. And to be fair, it's nothing new - Republicans did it with Hillary Clinton too.

It needs to end.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 05:49 AM
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1. It won't end
Republicans are vile. It makes them who they are. Period.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 06:51 AM
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2. One of the few "weapons" they have is character assassination...
and they don't care who they use it on.

They have become very adept at this.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 07:15 AM
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3. One of the most famous character assassions was Lee Atwater.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 08:23 AM
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6. He was a monster...
nothing was too low for him, and the R's thought he was a god...x(
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 08:28 AM
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7. He was a monster.
I'm not proud that he was a fellow Southerner.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 08:33 AM
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8. I'm not proud that he was a part of the human race...
one of those people that could walk past an open air market and everything would spoil and rot.
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Vicar In A Tutu Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 12:29 PM
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16. Well, he got his comeuppance. I can't say I'd wish that sort of thing on....
Edited on Sun Feb-20-11 12:32 PM by Vicar In A Tutu
...anyone, I just couldn't, but in some cases you can't help but kind of shrug and think "Well, what did you expect?".

I think it's worth remembering that he displayed remorse as death - and his obvious fear of it - loomed close. Shame that none of his acolytes took heed of said regret.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 01:25 PM
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17. When I heard he had brain cancer...
I honestly wondered if the evil he exuded was so great it actually attacked him. It was one of those moments when ponders the "grand scheme" of things.

Dead at 40, he showed remorse before he died, but if he had found that bit of humanity earlier, he would have been a better person. I have no empathy for him at all, he was an evil man.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 09:01 PM
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26. Did you wonder the same when you heard Senator Ted Kennedy was dying from brain cancer?
Rasputin, sometimes posters here might try thinking before posting. What goes around comeas around.

Why does Michelle Obama get so much attention? She is actually putting herself in front of the public more frequently than previous First Ladies. She gives assertive speeches and has a little bit of a tendency to preach at people. I have nothing against Mrs. O, but her favouring a big American mega-business, for instance, turned me off. I don't want to be preached at about diet and lifestyle issues when I now must drop my health insurance coverage because I can't afford it.

I'm tired of hearing about Presidential vacations when the last small vacation I could afford was in 2000. :(

In show biz and politics anybody can suffer from overexposure.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 09:12 PM
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29. I did...
but I felt great empathy for Kennedy...he was a good man; Atwater was subhuman.

Kennedy died at a much later age than Atwater...40 is pretty young.

When Kennedy fought, it was for the people...when Atwater fought, it was in the mud and in the sewer...like comparing tomatoes and turnips.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 11:08 PM
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33. He only discovered a conscience when he knew he was dying.
The schmuck. Brain cancer. A horrible way to die - that I wouldn't even have wished on the likes of him.

He was an EXTREMELY evil man, the political father of kkkarl rove and dubya, and every operative and sneaky rule-breaking and law-violating piece of vermin shit that ever poisoned the earth. I think he knew what his deeds had set him up for in the afterlife. He actually gave Michael Dukakis a deathbed apology.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 06:49 AM
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36. It is indeed a horrible way to die, and I would never wish such a...
thing upon anyone.

But things happen to different people in different ways; and often it has me pondering about things. I don't wish death upon anyone, I seek justice, I think Atwater was an evil individual, and his "joy" at "destroying" others makes that pretty obvious, at least to me.

It's not surprising that he had an "epiphany" of sorts at the end; even the evil can realize the damage they've done. For his religious point ov view, I'm surprised that he didn't take to heart..."thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor", but take that, do a 180 and disparage anyone, through outright lies, that did not share his twisted view.

He was not the first, he won't be the last.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 12:36 PM
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38. Yeah he sure won't be the last. We've seen that gift-that-keeps-on-giving all through
Edited on Mon Feb-21-11 12:43 PM by calimary
what's become known as the kkkarl rove era.

And there are hundreds of thousands of little weasels who dream of growing up to out-rove kkkarl rove. Look at that piece of shit who did the hooker "sting" with the hidden video against ACORN. Never mind what might have happened to him - he's still considered a winner because the ULTIMATE OBJECTIVE was achieved - knock down ACORN, one of the big GOTV muscles for Democratic election victories. I completely agree with Rachel Maddow - they're gonna go after EVERY muscle we have to power us to victory, which is why the unions are now in the cross-hairs. That putz doesn't care that he was exposed and I think faces some sort of legal consequences. With the infrastructure that's been built up by the bad guys, SOMEBODY in one of those many foundations or think tanks is gonna pick up the phone and all his legal bills will be paid and his reputation will begin to be whitewashed in all the various media outlets they own, and he'll find gainful employment from any number of these financial sources, and his example - of what they will frame as a heroic achievement - will be preached to every new arrival they can find.

That's why I'm more pessimistic than optimistic these days. I just don't see the infrastructure back-up on our side that the bad guys have, and by now they've built it up into something that appears to be fairly invincible. I don't see ANY effort to re-regulate broadcasting, or significantly re-regulate Wall Street, OR to overturn or somehow nullify the Citizens United ruling. None. And if those things don't start happening, we may be sunk.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 02:13 PM
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39. As a person...
Atwater is a piece of crap...and those that follow in his footsteps are even lower.

These people do this because of lusting for power, they have no other motivation. Money intrigues them, and they see it as reward for the power the desperately seek; but since they have no viable ideas when they gain power, inevitably, they fall flat on their asses.

They are guided by only the notion that they "gain", once there...they screw up so badly, I'm actually surprised that anyone follows their corrupt route. Ego's are powerful things, and when people like Rove and Armey get what they so craved, they stand naked for all to see...but we, the people, don't do enough to stop their ilk.

There will indeed always be such vile people, all we can do is expose them for what they are and hope that people will see just how amoral they are, but fact of the matter...their garbage works, and the citizenry is a t fault for falling for this crap.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:56 PM
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44. I agree with your analysis. The citizenry is at at fault for falling for the crap
spewed by the likes of Rove, Atwater, Armey, Cheney et al.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 07:31 AM
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4. The only way it'll stop is for people to finally unite against corporate rule...
The mainstream media is made up of corporate tools, just like the Republican party - and much of the Democratic party.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 08:22 AM
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5. Other than a few catty comments about draperies going missing
--to make some of her dresses, not really. There was also mention of hit an run driving as a teenager, but not in any medium with any kind of mass reach.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 07:51 PM
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25. Like CNN and CBS?
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 09:14 PM
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30. Ask some random person whether they know about that
Then ask them if they've heard that Al Gore invented the Internet.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 09:28 PM
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31. If I ask a random person, the response I'm likely to get is "who's Al Gore?" n/t
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 12:28 AM
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35. "Oh, that dude on South Park!"
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 10:01 AM
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9. I thought the same thing. Why aren't Dem leaders all over TV decrying the disrespect?
And pointing out that Dem leaders didn't attack Laura Bush?
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 10:09 AM
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10. They did the same when Hillary was first lady.
Disrespecting the first family is fine when its a Dem in office.

Oh, and she's black, which makes her "less" of a first lady.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 01:33 PM
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19. After putting up with years of RW jabs at HRC when she was First Lady...
When Laura came upon the scene, I just mentioned that she was bringing both "drab" and the "Potato Sack" look to the WH...man did I catch it for a while, but eventually, everyone agreed with me...:rofl:
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 03:13 PM
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20. Those were probably the "worst" things I ever heard anyone say about her ...
and the right wing lost its mind.

What I find interesting is that Michelle Bachmann, and those whack jobs will scream bloddy murder if Michelle talks about childhood obesity, or breast feeding ... calling it "big government" ... and yet they said NOTHING as Laura Bush went around the country promoting literacy.

Its just another example of how the right wing will spin 180 degrees and not think twice about doing so.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 04:39 PM
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22. She should have promoted literacy to her oaf of a husband...
dumb as a brick that one...:D
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 06:10 PM
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24. As are his Tea Bag followers.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 10:31 AM
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11. Of course they didn't.
The media is awfully arbitrary about calling out people. Generally if you utter a nasty sound bite and are Republican and/or on the payroll of a corporation (e.g., Palin, Limbaugh, et al), you can say pretty much anything and there's no shocked look and reproachful tone from any of the media anchors.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 10:55 AM
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12. Democrats see human decency as a moral virtue - Republicans...
...don't know the meaning of the term. They only see "us" vs "them" and look to leaders (church, gov't, fathers) to tell them what to do because they have no internal guidance.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 11:05 AM
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13. It's really nuts what they take the time to criticize.
Everything from her choice of clothing to promoting breast feeding.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 11:17 AM
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14. Attacking baselessly is one of their favorite weapons
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Wait Wut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 11:21 AM
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15. Laura Bush wasn't an "uppity, loud mouth"
It isn't tough to decipher the right-wing mind.

It's so obvious that our First Lady is a Communist, what with wanting kids to eat healthy and get some fresh air and exercise.

The classiest and best example of a truly good family we have in the White House is a threat to their gun-totin', Bible-bangin', real 'merikun family values.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 01:31 PM
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18. I honestly believe she was on xanax most of the time...
she has that "glazed over" look of benzodiazapine use. Then again, she may have that look because she is just as dumb, (or slightly smarter), than bush. For a Librarian, she had a remarkable ability to remain, non-inquisitive...not what one would consider Librarian material. Virtually all of the people I've known in that profession are exceptionally bright and very inquisitive and alert. Perhaps Laura was only allowed to stamp out books...:shrug:
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 09:05 PM
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27. That's just mean spirited, Rasputin.
I'm one of DUer's more progressive and -I hope- tolerant members. I don't know much about Laura Bush that that she is anything but dumb and has a keen appreciation for literature and American artist. One time i saw her on TV giving a tour of the White house and she explained some facets of certain paintings with the enthusiasm and appreciation of somebody who genuinely knows and loves art.

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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 04:03 PM
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21. After what they did to Hillary Clinton I am not surprised.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 05:40 PM
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23. Its the way they are, mean and sociopath, they don't give a damn.
Dems would NEVER do such things.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 09:10 PM
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28. Laura Bush and to a lesser extent her girls got attacked quite a lot.
Edited on Sun Feb-20-11 09:14 PM by Mimosa
I remember. Here's a typical example, saying she's stupid and of course denigrating her hairstyles and her clothing.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2008/04/30/notes043008.DTL

I could find a dozen more snarky bordering on vicious attacks in so called mainstream media back in the 2000's. I wrote about Morford's attack on laura bush here at the time. Males can be particularly vicious in 'defining' a woman. Including claiming Mrs. Bush was 'sexless'!

I think this has happened to all women in the White House (including Eleanor R. and Pat Nixon) and it's wrong.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 07:42 PM
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45. "Males can be particularly vicious in 'defining' a woman."
Edited on Mon Feb-21-11 07:43 PM by Beacool
Yes, they can.

And it's a non-partisan characteristic. A lot of the negative male comments against Michelle, Hillary, Palin, Pelosi & Bachmann are sexist and have little to do with these women's politics. An eye opener in 2008 was the realization that the left and right can be equally sexist.

I guess that we still have a long road ahead.........

:(
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 10:44 PM
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32. But then there are way fewer asshole Democrats than asshole republicans.
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 11:37 PM
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34. But Laura Bush had two things going for her, she kill a man and was is white
OK maybe only one of those things helped
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chemenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 08:05 AM
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37. First of all ... Laura Bush is white. Second ... she is a conservative republican.
Third ... she was married to a Republican "war president."

Fourth ... she married into the Bush Family Evil Empire.

Fifth ... Laura Bush never really did anything except promote literacy and pop XANAX.

Sixth ... Democrats respect womenfolk; they don't.

Seventh ... The only prominent Democrat I can think of who has the cajones to call mainstream Republicans out on their hypocrital shit is KO.

Now are you still wondering why /suprised about mainstream Republicans have been relentless toward Michelle Obama
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:18 PM
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40. First Ladies take up a meaningful cause and use their position to promote it.
The only reason they are attacking Mrs. Obama is that she is a Democrat.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:31 PM
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41. A member of the press should ask Laura what she thinks of the GOP
attacks on Michelle Obama.

I mean, let's imagine that Dems claimed that Laura's focus on literacy was an evil government plot, or that she was a nag who enabled GW to be come a drunk, or that she dressed like she was in a more stylish burka, or that she smoked like a chimney, or that she ... (insert your favorite here).

The right wing attacks on Democratic first ladies go back to JFK, and hit a new peak when Hillary was first lady, and have now gone to yet new heights.

But this makes sense. The GOP sees all women as LESSER. And so pounding a DEM first lady is no issue to them. Meanwhile, a GOP first lady knows her place, and to be critical of her is to blaspheme against God.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:32 PM
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42. Yes, they have been relentless.
But Michelle hasn't been on the receiving end of even a quarter of the crap that Hillary had to go through when she was in the WH. It got so bad during the healthcare debate that she had on occasion to wear a bullet proof vest under her clothes at the request of the SS. Aside from having a special prosecutor force her to testify in front of a grand jury and try to indict her. By the time they left the WH, the Clintons owed more than 2.5M in legal fees and were broke.

I think that some Repugs have treated Michelle poorly, but not nearly as bad as what the previous Democratic first lady had to go through.

:-(
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:43 PM
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43. It's just a matter of time before Fat Ass Rush calls one of the
Obama family members a "N" on live radio. He is chomping at the bit to do it, he is going to slip.

He is jumping on the Palin/Bachman bandwagon to attack her.

Why isn't anyone asking what have Palin/Bachman/Rush/Beck and all the other losers done for children in America with their millions? Put up or shut up!
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 07:45 PM
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46. They weren't nice to HRC either...and MO is not White. It's to be expected. n/t
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