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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 12:07 PM
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Is Obama firmly behind the Wisconsin protests? The mid-east protests? (other than Iran & Libya)
What has he said about them that is unequivocal?

This is his moment to stand at the front of the anti-neo-conservative parade sweeping the planet, and lead us back to the sanity of the FDR era.

Will he?
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 12:08 PM
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1. No. n/t
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 12:10 PM
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2. No.....And victory will be that much sweeter when we bring this country back from the edge on our...
own.

We will get little to no help from our National Dem leadership.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 12:12 PM
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3. He'll Waffle
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 08:13 PM
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40. He has CLEARLY said he supports their cause. This is a STATE matter, and it is not his role nor does
Edited on Mon Feb-21-11 08:13 PM by RBInMaine
he have the authority to inject himself in this matter in huge ways. He has MASSIVE FEDERAL level matters to attend to, such as his own big fight with the RePUKE House in congress. So let's lay off and let the man be the FEDERAL leader and not a state leader. Need a civics lesson?
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 12:16 PM
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4. He seems to be helping in Bahrain like he did in Egypt.
Edited on Sun Feb-20-11 12:17 PM by Pirate Smile
Obama's Call To King Hamad Last Night
19 Feb 2011 01:19 pm

Was it the turning point? I guess we'll find out soon enough. If so, Obama's outreach to Shiite Muslim democrats could be transformative in the Middle East. Kristof:

There’s no hint of anti-Americanism out there, and people treated American journalists as heroes because we reflect values of a free press that they aspire to achieve for their country.


In fact, when was the last time you saw frenzied crowds in the streets in several Muslim Arab countries where the American flag wasn't being burned? We finally figured out how to help democracy in the Arab world: get out of the way and nudge quietly from a distance.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/02/obamas-call-to-king-hamad-last-night.html



Fear in Libya, hope in Bahrain

A wave of protests has been rocking states from the Gulf to North Africa. But whereas Bahrain's royal family has backed off from violently confronting the protesters, Libya's security forces are reported to have killed dozens of people. The BBC's diplomatic affairs correspondent Bridget Kendall looks at the different approaches.

A few days ago it was tempting to view the ripples of unrest as part of a pattern: Inspired by the uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt, an unfolding of large-scale public challenges to jittery rulers who ordered troops to fire on crowds in an attempt to keep the lid on.

But now it is clear that, in Bahrain and Libya at least, the paths are dramatically diverging.

In Bahrain troops have been withdrawn, jubilant demonstrators feel empowered and a dialogue has - it seems - begun with the ruling royal family.

Probably critical here has been not just Bahrain's image of itself as a modern, relatively liberal Middle Eastern country, but the extent of outside influence.

US President Obama and other top American officials have been on the phone to the monarchy in Bahrain, as has British Foreign Secretary William Hague, all urging a peaceful solution.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12518541


The difference seems to be which Countries are our allies and we have some influence with as opposed to the ones where we really can't help get the Governments to back off like Iran & Libya.
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 12:24 PM
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5. No - he'll sell them out at the first oppotunity for 'compromise'
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 12:25 PM
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6. More "shared sacrifice" for the little people
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x461200
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 03:27 PM
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31. The Milo Minderbinder theory of governance
Everybody has a share. The bosses share the profits and the rest of us share the sacrifice.
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 12:49 PM
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7. No, he's worst than Bush. We all know that.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 01:28 PM
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8. Seriously. Has he made an unequivocal statement on behest of the protesters?
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 01:39 PM
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9. Seriously, have you followed the news? n/t
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 06:14 PM
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12. Yes. He said something fuzzy about
the Governor should not attack the collective bargaining rights, but nothing about how wrong it is to ask for the state workers to pay for the tax cuts to the wealthy and the endless wars....

Nothing definitive that I've read.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:52 AM
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16. don't bring up FACTS, grahamhgreen
you'll make their pointy little heads spin
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 01:35 PM
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22. lol
"Facts" like not knowing that the Wisconsin state budget never funded wars or payed for Bush's FEDERAL tax cuts?
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 01:38 PM
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23. Wll that's not exactly true. WI share of war costs: $18,426,572,660
http://costofwar.com/en/state/WI/
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 01:43 PM
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27. That money was not taken from the Wisconsin state budget.
That number is what the people of Wisconsin paid in FEDERAL taxes for the war. Do you understand that states have separate budgets from the federal government and its the state budget that's at issue here?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 01:45 PM
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 07:53 PM
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36. "Federal aid is top revenue for states"


"In a historic first, Uncle Sam has supplanted sales, property and income taxes as the biggest source of revenue for state and local governments."



http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-05-04-fed-states-revenue_N.htm
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 01:44 PM
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28. layos. just a little fuzzy on how government works I see.
laugh at your own self.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 07:54 PM
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37. OMG
where are you getting your, er, "facts" :rofl:
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 08:29 PM
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47. He said it "seems" to be an assault on collective bargaining ...
SEEMS? Really? SEEMS? You think?

Thank you, President Obvious.

Bake
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 01:42 PM
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26. Now you're getting it.
A little overstated, but a better direction than head in the sand.

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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 01:46 PM
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30. Head in the sand.
Would that be like seeing Obama made a strong statement about the Wisconsin workers and then STILL refusing to believe he said it? That's the kind of disconnect from reality that I expect from right wing talk radio dittoheads.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 05:22 PM
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35. Do you call everyone who disagrees with you names?
Or is it just when you really don't have anything substantive to say about an issue?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 07:56 PM
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 02:02 PM
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10. First and foremost Obama is a good politician
as a result if and when it serves Obama to be there, he'll be there.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 02:54 PM
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11. You have "google" like everyone else. Do you not?
:shrug:
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 06:15 PM
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13. Yes. I found nothing.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 11:33 PM
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14. So the question was disingenuous at best, right? Got it.
:eyes:
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 01:40 PM
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25. Well, now that ProSense posted Obama's strong statement
you can spread the good news around the internet that the President of the United States stands with the Wisconsin public employees. Because that's what someone would do if they care more about building support for those workers than they care about attacking everything Obama does. Right?
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 09:44 AM
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17. w-w-why... thems.. fightin woids!! PUT UP YER DUKES!!1!!1





:hi:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:51 AM
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15. LOL, are you fucking kidding?
:rofl:
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 11:27 AM
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18. With all due respect
Edited on Mon Feb-21-11 11:37 AM by Proud Liberal Dem
Your question seems to presuppose that he is somehow obligated to be be "firmly behind" things that are going on in other countries or states and that his failure to make a strong enough statement (or at least the kind of statement you think he should make) is some kind of abject failure of his leadership/Democratic bonafides.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 11:38 AM
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19. Here:
Obama voices strong support for Wisconsin public employees
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 01:40 PM
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24. Do you think he will move to stronger support,
or will that be about it?
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:22 PM
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32. My GPS is struggling to locate your goal posts ... can you kept them from moving???
Or, we can just agree that short of Obama calling for Walker to resign, you won't be happy.

Fair?
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 05:19 PM
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34. Saying that he opposes eliminating collective bargaining is weak support,
Saying the union workers do not need pay cuts, but instead we need to tax the ultra-rich at a fair tax rate similar to what our grandparents did is strong support.

Hammering the governor on his tax cuts for the rich is strong support.

Going to WI and speaking on behalf of the workers is strong support.

Even Mubarak allowed collective bargaining!
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 09:14 PM
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41. "Even Mubarak allowed collective bargaining!"
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 08:36 PM
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48. Right. What he actually SAID was it "seems" to be an assault on unions
Calling that a "strong statement" doesn't make it so.

To my perhaps jaded ear, it sounded like politician-speak. But not a "strong statement."

Bake
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 01:14 PM
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 01:34 PM
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21. Yes, but there will always be people ready to move the goalposts
no matter what Obama says.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 02:57 PM
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46. Not so - just people who notice when the goalposts have been removed. nt
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:52 PM
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33. He is the next Hitler and will kill us all.
.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 09:16 PM
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50. No, he's worse than Hitler.
He's like..... HITLER compared to Hitler.

Have a giggle:
http://obamaisliterallyhitler.tumblr.com/

:evilgrin:
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 08:08 PM
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39. It is a STATE matter. All he needs to say is he supports collective bargaining rights & responsible
Edited on Mon Feb-21-11 08:08 PM by RBInMaine
measures to balance budgets. But he has neither the power nor is it his role to do what some are saying he should do on this.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 10:44 AM
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42. Agree. n/t
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 11:01 AM
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43. They know this, it's a way to put Obama'a face in the corner and give him no way out
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 08:40 PM
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49. Why would he or any DEMOCRAT need a "way out" of siding with the PEOPLE????
As opposed to his corporate masters, of course.

This is a plague sweeping across the country like locusts -- Rethugs wanting to bust the unions and destroy the middle class, loot the Treasury and line their pockets. And you're saying Obama needs to worry about a way out of opposing that in the strongest terms possible???

Bake
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 02:36 PM
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44. +1
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 02:56 PM
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45. Don't bet on it - he only stands strong for ideas that can be taken...
...a bunch of different ways. He's for "change we can believe in" though - for sure.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 09:51 PM
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51. Who cares?
He's the POTUS. The US part of the government. Governors are the executives of states.

Other countries get to do their own thing.

Why are people so obsessed with Obama?

Something happens halfway across the world, and it's "what does Obama think of it?"

What has Obama done about your municipality? Does he have all the proper positions on each local ordinance?
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