There are times I get really disappointed in my fellow liberals...

And this is about Democrats/Liberals in general. This is in reference to an idea propagated on this site and many others in regards to Obama being primaried.

We have a GOP that is ridiculously and utterly fractured. They are bombarded by the extreme right, by Tea Partiers, moderate Republicans, and old school Republicans who look more moderate than they did before. The Tea Partiers are rejecting the Republicans since they are really made up of maybe some Dems, a good number of Independents who are swayed by clowns, and a good number of oldie Repubs, and some whatevers. Then you have the Extreme Right Republicans who hold the Tea Party mantle but promote some crazy ideas that scare everyone.

We have all the GOP "potential" candidates as a waste of air. Literally none of them have a single quality that is worthwhile as a contender AGAINST Obama---against any other Dem we might put in place they have a far better chance of winning. This is known. I've ran through all the names and they fail on almost all levels. It's 3 months into the two year mark---and not one person has come forth to say I'm running for President. Most of them are skipping around the topic or looking into the well, but nothing definitive. They all know they would lose massively to Obama. I think this might be the first election in history where the sitting President has absolutely not one contender to fight against---I think his only hopeful will actually be Mickey Mouse.

Yet, what do I see on this board and people talking about in other places. We have supposed Dems on television---pundit commentators and we have people ranging from mocking the current President to requesting a primary. So while this marks a perfect time to take advantage of an opportunity that is handed to us on a silver platter. It's an absolutely genius time to take over the national discourse, and support a Democratic control of the United States on all levels from the State to National level and rally behind the President to get it done; we instead want to display how fractured WE are. By doing so...the Republicans gain the leverage they need to basically hold a good number of places and possibly wipe us out, again.

Don't underestimate these fools. They are worse than cockroaches. Every time I think----"Yes, they're done." They manage to come back on air. We finally got rid of Palin, relatively. Meaning, after the "blood libel" comment she sort of went mum. It took a series of hits one after the other ending with the "bl" statement to finally lose a good number of political leverage. The Governor of Wisconsin, Walker, who I thought would have been done when the tape was released----didn't miss a beat and kept on preaching what he plans to do and still has much of the Republican backing and still holds 35%+ of the State as some back up. People may scoff at that number but I could have sworn that when the telephone recording came out Wisconsin people would see that this man is not looking out for their best interest and it would have plummeted to the teens. No, it did not. And he and his fellow Republicans are doing all they can to ensure the destruction of Wisconsin and Unions.

You'd think, you'd really think---we as the other side would see what's going on and come together. We may disagree on points, but would recognize this as a prime opportunity to give Obama the utterly progressive caucus that we can use to pressure him into doing the things we want (this is for those of us who are not pretty happy with him now). Or for those of us who like what he's doing now to give him the base he needs to push even more of those progressive agendas.

Instead I see false meme after false meme after false meme. I'm tired of hearing about Gitmo. Geez. Majority of the issues people have, have to do with things Congress did not do and we instead blame the Pres as though he can twist the hands of Congress. People in Texas, Arkansas, Georgia, Mississippi, and so on get yourselves some Progressive Dems (not the DLC clowns) but Dems who have a progressive tilt to be put in Congress and we can get shit done. You want unwatered down and serious agendas?! Really? Then get the house full of them and give the Senate the 60-65 Progressive Dems we would need to push this legislation. Obviously, the right in country will NEVER support Obama. So give him that and we can get some shit done---your way. Why is no one talking or thinking this way but think the President has all the power? Anything he does by executive order is shot down by the Republican candidate. You want some of these measures put into law so that no Republican freaky President can change it without some serious effort and a Republican base.

We didn't give Obama the right backbone to begin with. We thought because they were a Dem majority, we would get things done. Then we have Lincoln, along with her ConservaDems fucking us up in Congress and really causing the issues Obama had in getting really profound legislations ultimately watered down a bit. Thank God some good things were still in it, but I can see where we lost key provisions and it was because we had people like her who joined forces with the GOP. When you have Dems who are more worried about if they will have a job in the following term, you don't have a good Rep.


However, rather than a single person, or more people really talking about that and seeing this as an opportunity for US. Not the President. But really, for US to organize and get behind our local people to give the President the best legislative backbone he could have; instead we are suggesting let's primary him. Yes, because that's the best way to get things like that done. :eyes: None of the Repubs in 2004 primaried except for like a bunch of no-names.

Instead we have pundits to regular people professing this. I mean come on guys. Really?! He's a good president. If someone goes through this track record here (or search on DU): http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/

He's done a great deal of good and that's only monitoring his promises. He's done even more than this on our side. Yes, I can understand that there are some who are upset over certain things. But they are very small in number. I do agree he needs to address those, but lets get ourselves the Reps who will keep him straight, if that's what you want. I want a set who are all about progressive ideals (I don't care if they're Dem, Repub, or Indie). But we should be talking about organizing, in particular for our local candidates or at least some of us need to become one.

We should be talking about the candidates that we hope to see running on a state level that we can put on the national forefront. I should be seeing posts by people who have heard of this really great candidate on the local level in Arkansas (or whatever state) that we can rally behind to get into office to back up our President. Instead, people are mocking the President as though he can control a bunch of nut cases. Congress, mainly the House of Rep is a nut house, seriously. We have Virginia Foxx, Bachmann, DeMint, Boehner, Ryan and so on and so forth. I never knew people could control nut cases---they were voted into power and want to fuck up the government. We are giving them all the measure and rope they need to stay that way. I don't want Obama to have another 4 years with those freaks. But I definitely want him to have another 4 years.

Rather than focusing my energy on getting him primaried. Why don't people suggest---well let's focus our energy on getting our House of Reps revamped into a Progressive division (as I said, it's irrelevant to me if they are Dems, Indies, or Republicans---(YES REPUBLICANS can be PROGRESSIVES!))?! Why?! We're going after the fellow Dem who has done many progressive things and compromised due to either the DLC clowns fucking us over or because of Republicans----but not because of his own initiatives. And instead, we're talking about getting him primaried?! How does that work? Where are the people in the state of New Jersey saying we need to get Christy out?! How are they planning on doing that? Do they have another candidate? Do you guys need volunteers from New York to come in and help. We're not that keen on New Jersey----we might come in if you give us back the Statue of Liberty. :rofl: :headbang: I'm trying to ingest a bit of humor. I love my NJ people, well some of you. This is what I'm talking abou

How about getting Feingold back in office? How, is that going? WI people do you need some Chicago people to be deployed? Who in Chicago can help? How about the state of Wyoming? The no.1 most Republican state in the bloody nation. Where the hell are the DUers or leftist bloggers who can name a few strong candidates or contenders we can push on a nation level so they can win on the state level and can back up the President and our progressive initiatives.

What's my point of this post or rant or whatever?! I think our priorities are skewed. I seriously do. I think we, general sense, are not looking at this rationally. There seems to be an unhealthy focus on vengeance. I remember when the 2010 voting started, many people said they would not vote Dem or they would not vote period. Others stated to get back at Obama ---because he in some way rejected his base. Or he was no different than Bush. I saw this on this site and others. I'm sure many others did too. Some are deleted, thanks mods. We have Ed Schultz going on television and promoting this same idea and measure. How is that supportive? If people think Celebrities are influential---then we'd have to admit that some tv personalities are the same. Some people are influenced by Stewart, Maddow, Olbermann (when he was on), and I'm sure a good number are influenced by Schultz. How is that promoting support of the Dem party?

We are so focused on seeing the President as a single entity and wrecking vengeance on him trough the voting booth or primary; that we're not realizing his legislative power lies, really, in the hands of Congress. We want seriously progressive policies?! Get the House to support progressive measures, most of which were introduced by him? How do we get that done? You give him the Dems who would support or write such policies.

When a proposal is put forth to allow Bush tax cuts for the rich to expire and it fails TWICE. The fault does not lie with Obama here....it lies with the bloody Congress. Where was the House to back it up? These are Dems who voted against it---so it failed. Dems joined forces with the Republican minority, at the time to make it fail. However, majority accused the President, when he did the best he could to make sure the non-mutually exclusive measure protects the poor and middle class. We need to fix the Dem party and make it stronger, less polarized and and more inline with the progressive agenda even if it might make them a one-time Rep.

Now all I see is posts or blogs to get him out or keep him legit---I don't really get how that would keep him legit, primary him. No, we need to get our people in and keep them in. I don't hear that. It's missing in the discussion on GDP or anywhere in the net or in the media. I don't see a movement to get Dems into office. I hear people mocking the President and supporting the meme he's weak or using other meme's to marginalize or lie about his record. I hear people upset, or frustrated by Dems. I hear people pushing for him to go and I see how crappy the GOP is...that we think showing a polarized Dem party makes for good headway. Ugh...it just doesn't make bloody sense.

If we're serious about getting things done then we should know that Congress is our key to do it. We want DOMA repealed fastest---get a good 230 (just in case someone has a cold) progressive candidates in the House and Senate and we got it done. You want a measure allowing states to choose their form of healthcare---get the progressives in the house and senate. You want the war to end, get it in the house and senate to support Kucinich's bill. If the President dares to even think of vetoing them---then you go after his record. But when we're not even giving him the Progressives Legislative body, we can' expect much progressive initiatives to be successful. Sadly, this time around we've given him a bunch of racist, corporatist nut bags, who love the rich like bitches in heat.

Once again as I said. I think our priorities are skewed and we need to get back on track or figure out where it should be. I think it should be on revamping the house. On really organizing ourselves for that. I'm just not seeing or hearing it though.

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Obama is a realist and the only adult in the room....he knows what he's up against in Congress and he takes what he can get instead of nothing....dem presidents have always done that....that's why change takes time....Obama is NOT A KING....he cannot make laws and levy taxes on people without congress' approval/funding....people who call him a whimp don't get that.

Obama has done as well as he could through 2 years and probably better than I thought he would do.....

what you need to understand is that most people here think that Obama is like a king....he does not need congress to pass his own laws and taxes....so if something does not pass or legislation is not 100000000000000% of what progressives want, it's his fault because he can write and pass laws as he sees fit (according to many here).

The simplest 'arm twisting' available to the president, should he wish to use it, is letting a recalcitrant congresscritter know that he will/will not campaign for him when the time comes around. At the word of the president a congressman can get PR visits, DNC backing and whatever else is legally available - or, OTOH, he can be ignored by the party, unfunded in his campaign, and go suck an egg.

And that is just the LEAST the pres can do do drag a congresscritter over to his side.

Remember Lieberman? A candidate BEAT him in the primaries, but the party threw its backing to the candidate they wanted, even if he was NOT a Democrat.

You really think the pres and the national organization is powerless against Congress?

Wake the fuck up.

""I think our priorities are skewed and we need to get back on track"

I am a firm believer that we need to get back to the basics of the Democratic Party. We do not give tax breaks to the richest among us while raising taxes on the poorest among us.We do not make cuts to the safety net for the elderly and the needy. We do not escalate and continue a war we can not win and continue an illegal war while bankrupting our nation. We do not go after people who blow the whistle on wrong doing. We do not put people in charge of our treasury who help perpetuate a massive loss and fraud in the economy. We do not spy on citizens and we do not hold people in detention indefinitely. We stand up for the working class, and Unions, with great pride. We do not freeze workers wages in an effort to meet the pukes half way.

I agree completely And I find it amazing because I have never agreed with you before.

That's the heart of it.

Getting out the vote and actually voting is what will put us back in the majority in the house and we need more in the senate. We have a President, a good one. Instead of trying to splinter the party people need to focus on the future....and it won't be pretty if the pubs win by default.

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You blame Obama's failures on the conservadems - the same conservadems that Obama backed in favor of progressive candidates.

He'd be able to stand up to the pukes if we had a progressive congress. His staff calls progressives 'fucking retards'.

You think we don't know what side he's on?

Come on, Congress is not going to stop his war. He has to stop it. He could stop it tomorrow. Nothing is holding him back.

We're screwed. No one is going to primary him. And yet he's not doing what needs to be done. So what can we do? We're on the road to serfdom and need someone in the WH who will take our side and take the fight to the other side. There are so many inequalities and injustices that need to be addressed. Unequivocally support working people and unions. Work to increase wages instead of lowering them to Chinese levels. Stop the wars and the wasteful spending. Prosecute the criminals, enforce the laws. Is that too much to ask?

You wonder why people are unenthused. Well it's because our choice is bleak. It's Obama or the Republicans. What kind of choice is that? He's trying to back into a second term. There's not much in it for us.

He's not doing what needs to be done?! Of 400+ promises he made he completed 134 of them. The war was one of those promises. Did you not hear him as a candidate? Don't act like he's doing something that shocks you. He stated exactly what he was planning on doing in regards to Afghanistan. This was not news, but now you're selling me shock.

He's doing a lot of wat needs to be done. Obama has supported Unions. He has said so, he's went publicly to say so, he's called the Governors to a talk to denounce their actions. He stands with unions and Union people see that. You're the one not seeing that. As far as inequalities....let's run a few of the inequalities he's tried to correct so far.... DADT---repealed--he pushed for it and Reid even said so; Matthew Shepherd Act, Lily Ledbetter Act, DOJ no longer defending a clause within DOMA, enforcing protection of gay couple rights and benefits, supporting and enacting an executive order for Native American women who suffer from rape and domestic violence----but you're suggesting he's not doing anything. Listen. It doesn't take seconds to get things done. There are a milliard of inequalities and injustices in the US and the world and Obama has tried to address many. You're acting as though he sat on his ass the entire time.

Where and when has Obama supported lowering wages to Chinese levels?! Huh. Prosecute what criminals? Bush and Cheney? Right. You want Obama to do all of the above and manage to prosecute criminals. You think the Government would run that way? We'd have a blockade in the government indefinitely. It's just bloody unrealistic to prosecute a President and this nation would be polarized beyond belief with Congress doing the same. That would literally shut down the government. Smart proposition. Really.

You are not a pragmatist in any way shape or form. Obama can not do all of the above with a signing of a pen. Sorry to tell you. You imply a great deal of negative with no positive. As though Obama has been ineffectual as leader. Fine then. There is no point in talking to you.
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And sadly what was entirely lost on you and what you don't bloody get is the fact that the focus should be on us and on our representatives. There is no choice between Obama and the Republican. Our choice is between being bloody proactive or sitting on our ass. Getting people in office who can do the job. No other Dem would win a Presidential seat right now.

So then...why are we not focusing our energy where it can count with the bloody congress, with our Governors and senators? But you know what....sit there and whinge and blame Obama. Obama is the problem and he's making our future bleak. Right it's all Obama. Take no responsibility and no action---because you're depressed. Whatever. This is why I'm disappointed. I see more people willing to feel despair and wasting a lot of energy focusing on all Obama has done wrong---without looking at a lot of the right and additionally not seeing that maybe their own state has a lot of wrong. I know my state--NY--A blue state has problems, but I'm willing to work on mine and the others.

Obama's leadership is only so much. We vote for other Dem leaders for a bloody reason. We vote for them because they are supposed to show leadership. Obama may be the leading ticket. But all of our reps, our senators, Mayors, and Governors are supposed to be leaders too and lead with our resounding voice. Instead you focus on Obama. Fuckin' hell.

Whatever.

And that is where many of us disagree.

He talks a great fight. He supports unions? Then why is his 'education reform' designed to shut down the teachers' unions?

Reagan talked nice about unions, too - and then he shut down the air traffic controllers.

We focus on Obama because he, like the other conservadems, is working against the Democratic agenda and Democratic principles and in doing so he gives cover to all the other republicans in democrats clothing.

all of our politicians should be leaders and Pres O has done a lot for the Progressive cause. We need to focus on electing more dems and progressives to the House and Senate. I agree completely.

direction. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/50954.html If he were doing such a bang-up job, that number wouldn't be that high. We have an unemployment problem. What is he doing about it? Nothing. He hasn't put together a blue-ribbon panel to look into it and report back. He has shown no real curiosity about it himself. He doesn't seem to give a damn. There definitely is no sense of urgency on his part to find out the causes, like outsourcing, and to work at them. We just had the largest trade deficit in several years. Has he shown any concern? Does he realize that represents more jobs going overseas?

On the war, he made a stupid promise during the campaign to escalate the war in Afghanistan and to spread it to Pakistan, and unfortunately it was the only major promise he kept. Almost everyone in his party is against it and wants him to get out of there. But he soldiers on, tilting toward increasing numbers of windmills while pissing away money that we really don't have. It's disturbing to see you support him on that -- no wonder we're still there.

The rich and the right wingers are attacking workers, unions, wages and benefits, pitting one worker against another, trying to destroy the last vestiges of people's ability to organize to improve their lot. A lot of it is already gone, but they're trying to finish it off. We need politicians who will unabashedly stand up for workers against the rich and the corporations. Politicians who are willing to find ways to increase the power of working people, so they can stop the erosion in wages and maybe get a bigger piece of the pie. Without that, the trend is clear. Either workers accept lower wages or their jobs will be shipped out. The corporations will eventually pay a $2 an hour wage one way or the other. Where's the political leadership which sees the problem and and is willing to take a stand and fight for us? Not Obama, he's clueless, and doesn't believe in any of it.

Meanwhile, the rich keep raping the average person through their scams, they don't get punished for it, they get huge tax breaks while the government takes on crushing debt. And on an on. There seems to be no end to it. Obama is just taking up space. We're slowly losing the battles and the war.

Unfortunately our political system doesn't produce the kind of people who can address these problems because they've aligned themselves ideologically with the rich and powerful and they're on their payroll. We don't stand a chance. We're slowly reverting back to the era when there were no worker protections, no safety net, and it was every man/woman for themselves. And Obama and the Dems are not putting up a fight and really don't care.

I've given up on the system and all these people. They're hopelessly corrupt. We're being governed by mobsters and there's no way to get rid of them. I've lost interest and tuned them all out. It's a waste of time.

as it says in the Constitution. and I'd rather not have a Republican, who generally tries for more.

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Yes we should be supporting progressives in Congress, and many do. Yes, change has to come from the grassroots.

And no we shouldn't get distracted by a primary fight.

However, if the national Democratic leadership, including Obama, choose to stifle that grassroots progressive/liberal movement rather than support it, then there is not really a political mechanism to carry any good intentions forward. That is what happened in the 90's, the oughts and still....

There are already many GREAT progressives in Congress and elsewhere. But the real problem is that whenever push comes to shove, the Corporate Democrat centrists and their apologists cut their legs off.

And in normal times, the Democratic Poo Bahs treat them like the embarrassing crazy relative they have to keep out of sight.

Unfortunately, President Obama has chosen to cast his lot with the Centrists. Such as appointing the same Corporate Wall St. oligarchs who in the 90's set the stage for the recent destruction of the economy.....Unfortunately, the most passionate and fiery Obama has been in recent memory was when he was lashing out at the Democratic base.

If at some point Obama actually makes a break from the DC Cool Kids and stands with them, it would do a lot to reinvigorate the Democratic Party. More important, he would be using his considerable talents to actually turn around the disaster that has been created over the last 30 years.

a persistent theme. I just saw the film The Devil Wears Prada, in which Streep's character is always telling people how much they have disappointed her. It was a very funny movie, in great part because of the self consumed language of the Streep character, 'I am so deeply disappointed'. As if she wrote the Book of All Deeds. The presumed and defensively affected nature of Streep's status trips was a great classic source of comic dynamics in that film.

I tend not to get caught up too much in the dialog here, but thanks for the rant!

The complexity of our current political environment hasn't occurred in almost 100 years. The tide is in fact turning, and the battle in my view has begun. Obama, although he is the president, can't, and will not be able to do it alone. This is our fight, and we must not fail, because the revolution will not be televised.

I never even saw the movie. My focus is on the fact that we have bigger fish to fry and instead most of us are not paying attention to that. And by your post alone---you're doing exactly what I was saying we need to move past. Rather than try to see where the point of the thread is going, instead you talk about a stupid movie. I'd like a refocus of energy within our political system and how ewe as liberals react to the changing environment---I guess movies work for you.

It pains me to see my beloved DU turn into a place that the right can use against us. Not only do some posters seem not to understand how winning politics work, but, they don't seem to understand how much words matter.
Almost makes me wonder what some peoples "real" agenda is. :evilfrown:

Good post...it all starts on your block, in your precinct, in your town, in your State.

How we've let Obama down! Poor man!

No. I'm talking about the fact that we need to focus our energy on fixing this nation. The nation is gone to shit---with States in havoc not because of Obama. But because people voted for fuckin' Republicans. My post is saying, since the message seems lost by your own ego, that we have to go to the grassroots level and mobilize our people to take back control and that means voting for progressive representatives at the state level. Nothing changes without that. Why is this so hard for people to get?! They see the name Obama and think that I'm writing some sonnet for him? This is really the problem. When I say, US, it turns into Obama. When I say we have to do something, it reverts to Obama is free of sin. That has absolutely no reference to what I'm saying. Learn to read critically before posting. If it's too long, then don't read it.

an oppositional stance against the party. You say, elect more progressives - while HE says, those guys are fucking retards, I suppot Blanch Lincoln.

The party machinery is gear against progressive change and actively works against the electing of progressive candidates. And that comes from top down.

Why are we obsessed with Obama? Because we didn't work to get him elected just to have him turn against us. I would love to see the candidate I worked for in office. Instead, we got his evil twin - only without the giveaway goatee.

but who the fuck are you and where do you get your ideas about "my wish"es?

And where would you like me to send the autographed panties?

Is there such a thing as an admin-complex? And frankly, there is nothing funnier to me right now--while so much is going on--playing, and losing badly, mind games with people who aren't as lock-step as you'd like.

NGU.

Since Obama is not my problem but Christie is.

at the mess we are having to fight all over the upper tier of the country.. unions under attack etc.. This meme of sitting out elections, etc.. kneecapping our officials in office.. When will it be enough.. when will the gutting of our Democrats be enough.. we lost so much in 2010.. people decided from day one after 08 to kill off electorally any canidate that was not pure enough etc.. and instead of getting everything done.. we have had to battle our own.. when will enough evisceration be enough?

we are kicking our own asses.....

Where are you getting that?

No one is going to primary Obama. The primaries are only about 10 months from now. Anyone who was going to run would have announced by now and would be out campaigning in Iowa, New Hampshire, etc. Also it would cost at least $200 million to do an effective primary challenge so they would have to be raising money like crazy. No one is raising any money, no one is campaigning and there will be no primary challenge and everyone knows it.

The point of the post is, instead of wasting our time and energy talking about giving Obama a primary we get to promoting Dem candidates and getting organized in our local districts. The ENTIRE post is about that and you harp on a primary I know as well as everyone will never happen. My point is we're wasting time asking for it, we're wasting time focusing on it---when we should be looking local especially with the massive problems happening in places like New Jersey, Indiana, Ohio, Iowa, and Wisconsin and so on and so forth. This is not hard to grasp. I reiterated my point several times in the post.

to other 'let's primary' posts I have seen. I don't agree though that Obama should get credit for everything positive that has gone through Congress and then gets no blame for those things that haven't got through. It goes both ways. It is like the economy. If you want credit for a good economy then you have to be willing to take the blame if it goes bad.

Take for instance the PO. People like talking about that a lot. The PO was pushed by Obama for over 18 months. Over 18+ months---that's more than a year. He was advocating for it. When the Health care debate started in February/March of Last Year...I was watching everything. Why? I had no healthy insurance because I was a woman, overweight due to a hereditary health condition. I watched everything Every debate, every townhall meeting, up until the last month he was advocating for it. He lost it---when people like Landrieu in Lousiana and Lincoln in Arkansas stated several times that they would not pass the bill if it had a PO. Even before the bill was written they stated every clearly to the public that if there is a PO they will no vote for it.

So you're going to sit there and blame Obama? The man was advocating it religiously and when he doesn't get the numbers and there is an added threat by the Congress that suggests they would rather side with Republicans and tear down good deals for the American people---out of some misguided view of the facts, you will now blame Obama for that. You think that is Obama's fault. He did what he could. If he succeeded in getting the PO, then he should be given credit. If he failed then it was not from his own hard work on the issue----but the blame lies with Congress. This was seen with DADT, because several Dems sided with Republicans. This is the same with Gitmo and so on and so forth. No one is taking the success away from Congress---in actuality Congress shares those successes as well. However, when they blatantly state they would never vote on something that even the American people want---before a bill is written they don't get to share.
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In any event. As I stated before, my post is not even about that. It's not about shared successes or not. It really has nothing to do with that. It's solely about our function in society and how we respond to the negativity. This is not about Obama. It was never supposed to be a discussion about Obama. I was never supposed to go on a defense or a discussion about Obama. And from here on out, when it comes to this thread I will not be discussing Obama.

Why, why can't people freakin' take some damned responsibility here?! Why is it so hard for us to look at ourselves and see that we play some roll in what's going on? I'm sure the people in Wisconsin, New Jersey, Indiana, Ohio, are kicking themselves and mobilizing for the mistake on the local level they made with their votes.

Now that I suggest that we mobilize within our own states but pushing for liberal Dems or actually run as one, but instead I get people complaining about Obama. Can you guys please grow up?! I don't about Obama in this. Obama has done good and bad for all people on this board. He's not 100% perfect. Fine. But he's far better and far different from the Republicans. Now we have to focus on the local level. That's where are real problem lies. And yet, I still get these evasive posts talking about everything but the topic at hand. Oy...it's beyond frustrating.

You know what. You want to harp on Obama. Do that. I really can't care. But in your state if a Repub manages to take over while you're complaining about Obama----and wants to cut jobs from your family and friends. I hope never to hear of it. I'm saying focus on the lower level and everyone is talking about Obama this or that and I get sucked into this. Ugh.

he blew it...he doesn't deserve a second chance.

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That's not what I said. I said people need to mobilize in their community at the State level. I want to hear about people finding progressive candidates. I want to hear people talking about supporting progressive candidates and how we can turn states Blue with these progressive candidates----because of what's going on in other states.

I am under the direct impression people did not read my post or they skimmed through it. The point of my post is for people to shut up about primarying Obama, and shut up about things that can't be changed. We've been given the Republican Party on the Silver Plater, but instead we're worried about the Man who handed the silver platter than really what's in the platter. WTF?! I don't hear people mobilized or activated to participate in their public elections and how we can build the fort where we have bused in from other states to help rally behind a candidate. Instead I hear whinging about Obama.

Over and over again. The point is lost.

Yeah. Me too.

Especially when they call themselves liberals.

It seems the term 'liberal' is frequently misunderstood on DU.

Yes, I have been critical of Obama's performance, you know that. But yes, I have tried to get more Democrats elected on the local, state, and Federal level. And I will continue to do so in the future.

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