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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:55 PM Original message |
Poll question: What do you think this Obama quote means? (on Social Security) |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
1. I read it as "Future retirees, YOYO." |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
2. FACT SHEET: The President's Framework for Shared Prosperity and Shared Fiscal Responsibility |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Again, this contains the same lie |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
22. I think it means what it says, is an accurate assessment |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:37 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Bullshit--there is no long-term demographic shift. Thrre is a temporary |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
61. That's what I meant by "long-term demographic shift" |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #61 |
73. Sorry for jumping down your throat |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
4. Other |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
5. Benefits WILL be cut for future retirees (like me). I'm pretty sure |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
25. Only if you persist in being a gutless coward and don't fight for it |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:59 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Nice Dale Carnegie technique you have there. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:03 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. So, that established, are you going to defend your retirement, or just roll over? n/t |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:43 PM Response to Reply #35 |
63. Defend it against what? Against whom? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 07:41 PM Response to Reply #63 |
72. For fuck's SAKE!! Boomers are the first generation to prepay our retirement |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 04:45 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. ^ Exactly ^ n/t |
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Turbineguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
6. The GOP wants to give SS to Wall Street |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
7. What do you think this means: |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 06:00 PM Response to Reply #7 |
17. There it is again: not cuts for current recipients, no "slashing" for future generations |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #7 |
26. Translation--we'll accept cuts that are halfway between none and the Repuke-- |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
8. They better make the adjustments now to save it later....ie raise the damn CAP. |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
9. In the speech he praised Reagan for "saving" Social Security. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 04:19 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Reagan |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
10. Fix issues now so cuts aren't needed for anyone, even future retirees. n/t |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 06:35 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. And which issues would those be? |
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KurtNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
12. They will want to move the goal posts again = "slashing benefits for future gens" |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
13. O said it: Fix SS to make it more efficient w/o cutting benefits for past or future gens. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. It uses less than one-half of one percent for overhead |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
14. other |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. So why no cuts for current retirees, but no "slashing" for future generations? |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. because he has evil plans, of course. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Your refusal to supply a serious answer says much about you. nt |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. and a sandwich board of total dissatisfaction with anything democratic says much about you |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:22 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. I state facts; you state silliness |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:05 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. the Titanic cannot turn on a dime |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. So why does Obama keep parroting the fringe-right lie |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. FDR didn't have CNN and Fox. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. FDR had two press conferences each week - almost 1,000 in all |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:43 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. as far as I remember it was for veterans only to begin with... |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:49 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Here |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:05 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. who are FDR democrats? the Jane Hamshers? |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:16 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. am I blind? I don't see any names there at all... |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:30 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. You clearly have problems with referenced materials; let me help |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:22 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. put that under your pillow and dream on it then. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
34. As somebody who has been pretty supportive of the President, I disagree |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:22 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. apply for being his speech maker then |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
15. We should raise the current salary limit on which S.S. taxes are computed. n/t |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
21. It means nothing. |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
29. Other: Its is the announcement of huge cuts that to SS and medicare that |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
30. Other: It leaves him an out in case they do get cut. It's his famous "What I also said was" part |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
31. It means that Obama is being as hazy and vague as possible -- par for the course, with him n/t |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
33. It means a whole lot of nothing |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
37. Pres. Obama will not "entertain... slashed benefits for current or future generations of retirees." |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Why does Obama always differentiate between current and future recipients |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:51 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. So paranoid people won't be able to falsely attribute nefarious motives to his plans. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:52 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. I state facts; you state silliness |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:55 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Wrong again. I refuted your baseless negative speculation with a quoted fact from a credible source. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:04 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. You refuse to answer my post 40 |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:10 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. You didn't like my answer. You also refuse to acknowledge the facts that I quoted in Reply 37. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:51 AM Response to Reply #40 |
65. This should be an OP. This is exactly the issue. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:32 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Which leaves open the possibility of raising the retirement age in the future |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:54 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. I'm not into baseless speculation. I'll wait for details aka. facts to emerge. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. I'm not into baseless speculation, either |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:14 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. I disagree. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:21 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. It's a vague statement when there's nothing to be vague about |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:29 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. That's your opinion. I didn't expect complete detail about his budget plan in a 43 minute speech. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:44 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. I agree it didn't indiciate such a possibility |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:46 AM Response to Reply #57 |
64. Nothin in his speech denied any such possibilities, either. n/t |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Nothing in his speech denied the possibility of life on Jupiter, either. n/t |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:00 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. That would be great, if we were talking about a space mission to Jupiter, but this |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
59. "current retirees" ... |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
67. The quote is typical Washingtonese. It provides wiggle |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
69. mind blowing that 39% picked choice #2. Wow. |
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kjackson227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
70. I chose "other" because of the explanation in the link below... |
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Just One Woman (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
71. The long term challenges |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 02:53 AM Response to Original message |
74. I suspect it means both raising the level of compensation that is |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 04:51 AM Response to Original message |
76. I'd like to know how he expects to work with republicans for anything having to do |
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