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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:08 AM Original message |
"Private Manning is rightly facing prosecution" |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
1. He deserves no special treatment, but ... |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:22 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. "he deserves some company in that cell." |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #3 |
49. I think the point was that others did not do their job in insurity the security of the material |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
64. So you disagree with Crowley's criticisms of Manning's treatment? |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 04:47 AM Response to Reply #64 |
106. From what I read, his treatment has been somewhat harsh |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
21. Well, Manning was DEMOTED to private because he assaulted another soldier. |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
46. True, and before that he was reprimanded |
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NavyDem (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #46 |
76. If he disclosed sensitive material |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #21 |
86. Ah, the spin machine and lies and inuendo begin... |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #86 |
115. What are you going to say when his defense attorney uses this to mitigate his sentence? |
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NavyDem (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
75. He held a TS/SCI Clearance |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
2. out of context |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:24 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. "Crowley's article is a criticism of Manning's treatment." |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #4 |
30. IF he is convicted is also in that sentence. whihc is the point. We are innocent until proven guilty |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
59. it's misleading to take a sentence or two out of an article |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:09 PM Response to Reply #4 |
87. Yeah, clinton killing a half million children |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
5. Iow, we don't deserve to know about crimes commited in our name. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:27 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Oh bullshit. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:31 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. A patriot or hero would have gone to the Army Inspector General or Senate oversight committee nt |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:34 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Where things go to die. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:40 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Lame fucking excuse. Manning was reckless with lives and ignored the legal path. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #11 |
20. Of course he fucked himself. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:03 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Oh my! Its Jesus Manning! "For Bradley so loved the world....". |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Your words not mine. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:20 PM Response to Reply #31 |
54. It's actually funny that you and others DON'T see how you deify him. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:37 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Here go the goalposts! Hang on everyone!!! |
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NavyDem (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #57 |
80. He could have contacted Dennis Kucinich |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #80 |
89. And NOTHING would have been changed.. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #89 |
114. Why? Dennis had subpeona power on Oversight and Government Reform. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 03:07 PM Response to Reply #54 |
116. No participation? |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:45 AM Response to Reply #11 |
43. Whistleblowing on a pattern and practice of heinous crimes going back decades is not a crime. |
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Azathoth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. That doesn't make any sense |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Elements of the government have been taken over by a criminal cabal the Eisenhower called the |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:41 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. I'm former active duty who was involved in an IG situation and saw it work. What is your experience? |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:56 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Did it involve war crimes? nt |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. I cannot comment, but I can say that it didn't involve moving the goalposts n/t |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:10 AM Response to Reply #19 |
27. Lol. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:18 PM Response to Reply #27 |
53. I need an interpreter for your post. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. You need someone brighter. That's for sure. |
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ReturnoftheDjedi (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #9 |
45. would you be cool with the leaks if Manning had given them to Iran? |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:21 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. He did*. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 03:08 PM Response to Reply #45 |
117. crickets |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #45 |
118. Even more crickets. |
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NavyDem (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 06:52 PM Response to Reply #7 |
77. In accordance with this |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. You conveniently skipped over the revelation of crimes in order to spout "Bullshit." |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:42 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. "Revelation of crimes"? |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:54 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Which is vastly preferable to killing journalists and then covering it up. |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #13 |
33. What do you call torturing innocent Afghans because they like Casio watches |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:02 PM Response to Reply #33 |
82. What the hell does that have to do with |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #82 |
93. Those attrocities? He blew the whistle on them. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:51 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Who did he blow the whistle on? |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 08:00 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. Uh...the massive cover up. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 08:16 PM Response to Reply #99 |
103. Who did he blow the whistle on? |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 08:17 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. The pilots and their superiors who covered up the massacre, for starters. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
62. C'mon, PS. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:42 AM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Deleted message |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 07:51 AM Response to Reply #88 |
107. I don't agree with you. |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #5 |
44. So far, nothing allegedly leaked by Manning has lead to revealing new significant events |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 04:07 PM Response to Reply #44 |
61. An helicopter attack on journalists. A war crime. |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. Is your google broken? |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 08:02 PM Response to Reply #69 |
101. They weren't targeted because they were journalists. |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #101 |
108. Which is perfectly legal |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 12:54 PM Response to Reply #108 |
111. Being in a war does not forgive cold-blooded murder |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 12:54 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. God damn it everyone, is this what we've come to? |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 08:04 PM Response to Reply #69 |
102. From the collateral murder site: |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #102 |
109. Yet the NYT somehow managed to reveal that. |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. And the military's investigation didn't, which is kind of the point of the whole exercise, no? nt |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
10. But apparently Cheney Rummy, W, and all deserve special |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:44 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Nonsense! |
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CrossChris (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:07 AM Response to Reply #15 |
24. And Bush and Cheney have suffered the same punishment as Manning? |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:07 AM Response to Reply #15 |
25. How absurd. No tiral needed? Since when? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:11 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. You really shouldn't need sarcasm tags to get sarcasm when its obvious. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:49 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. So, are you saying you do or don't think Manning should be prosecuted. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #16 |
32. So, did I say that? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. It was a simple yes or no question. |
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Azathoth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:01 AM Response to Reply #10 |
22. Oh Jesus. We didn't send Bush to the Hague so we have no right to protect classified information |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:24 AM Response to Reply #22 |
34. Tell that to Valarie Plame. |
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Azathoth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:36 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Then by your definition, the USA has been corrupt since its inception |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Human involvement period, is a marker of corruption. |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:43 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Hopeless and cynical is no way to live life |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #40 |
68. Sad but true, Sudopod. |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 04:54 PM Response to Reply #10 |
67. You are of course correct in pointing out the double standard, however there are some folks |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
26. Thank You. |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
29. What website am I on? |
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lamp_shade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
35. But... but... he's such a cute little chubby pink-faced cherub. |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. whatever helps you sleep at night. nt |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 05:27 PM Response to Reply #37 |
73. +1000 |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
41. Whistleblowing on a pattern and practice of heinous crimes going back decades is not a crime. |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
42. Too bad Rove, Cheney. Libby and Obamas |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
47. What about the special treatment for Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the financial elites? |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 05:28 PM Response to Reply #47 |
74. Because they ARE a part of the corruption. Condemnation is reserved only for those that |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:51 PM Response to Reply #74 |
94. You should always punish crime |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
48. He does deserve a speedy trial |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. They are trying to make an example out of him. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:24 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. I certainly hope they make an example of him. |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 05:05 PM Response to Reply #56 |
71. Need more actually. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #56 |
85. "at least tried to use a number of the avenues open to him" |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 04:31 PM Response to Reply #52 |
63. Actually the delay is based on something manning's lawyer requested, not the government |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. Or they moving forward now, becuase of latest Gitmo info drop |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. well, if it thinking that makes you sleep better *shrugs* n/t |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #48 |
113. His defense delayed proceedings by requesting a 706 in January. |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
58. Manning is a fucking disgrace and a fucking traitor. Nt |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. To you maybe. nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:13 PM Response to Reply #58 |
91. Deleted message |
NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
65. Corrupt government officials, wall street crooks, and torturers walk free, |
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Kdillard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
78. I don't know how anyone can be on his side. The book should be thrown at him. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Why? |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
79. If he did what he's accused of doing, he IS a hero -- that's the difference... |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:03 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. Bullshit! n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #83 |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:55 PM Response to Reply #83 |
96. This makes me sad. :( nt |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:57 PM Response to Reply #83 |
98. ChickenSHIT!!! (n/t) |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
90. Free Bradley Manning |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:43 PM Original message |
And yet, a war criminal, GW Bush, is walking around with impunity |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
92. dupe |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
97. Free Bradley Manning |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
100. Free Bradley Manning |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 01:22 AM Response to Original message |
105. No one deserves anything. People just do shit to each other. |
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