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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 07:34 PM
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I was around in 72, when we lost. We lost big.
I recall that sunken feeling when the votes were counted that night, and we lost all but one state.
Where I worked, we got 5 percent above the average in our neigborhoond, but we still only got about 40 percent of the vote.
We would never come back some of us thought.
In 76 after Watergate, we won the Presidency with Jimmy Carter. and you know the rest.

2012 is a long way off. The Pukes deserve what they have brought about. I hope Obama destroys them, for what they have done.
...And he will.....

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wilt the stilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 07:38 PM
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1. My first vote was for McGovern
as I was the last of the youth that had to be 21 to vote. Until 2008 it was and may still be my proudest vote.
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tilsammans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 08:11 PM
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5. My first vote was for McGovern, too
I'm still proud of that vote. :patriot:

I now live in SD, and I hope to meet him some day.
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 05:56 AM
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9. I met him once..in 1968. it was only for a moment..but
I remember it clearly. It was at the Hilton Hotel in Chicago during the 68 convention. McGovern had taken over Bobby Kennedy's
delegates after Kennedy's assination. There was a press conference in a large meeting room and Mc Govern had answered questions about his run for the presidency. The conference was over, and he was walking out. I went up to shake his hand, and he stopped for a moment, and my exact words to him were,
"Thank You for your efforts for poor people in the United States, thank you for creating and getting through Congress the Food Stamp Program." He stopped, was surprised, and I think he said "Thank You" and something else which I do not remember, and walked on with his group of secret service and all. Maybe 20 seconds, but I remember it. He was so correct about Viet Nam..So much unnecessary death.
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iwillalwayswonderwhy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 08:07 AM
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13. I see him quite often
He's lovely. One of my close friends is his personal assistant. He just turned 88 years old last week. He still fights for world hunger.
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 08:13 AM
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14. Thank you for posting that..He hasn't given up..and he is ok..
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 07:25 AM
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10. Same here.
I remember my neighbor lady telling me that McGovern was a communist when I told her I was casting my first vote ever for him. Of course she also told me that Martin Luther King was a communist, lol. As you know, Reich Wing misinformation was prevalent back then too. :hi:
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 07:35 AM
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11. Me too. I was 30.
Hadn't bothered to vote before.
It was an anti-Nixon vote brought on by Watergate.
THAT got my attention.
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SteveG Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:09 AM
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16. As was mine.
I was 22 at the time.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 07:40 PM
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2. 1988 wasn't much better
Dukakis pissed away a 17 pt. lead in the polls and then lost 40 states, including states like Maryland, California and Vermont.

And then there was this vapid media CW about how the Democrats would be totally incapable of ever electing a president.

Then they met the Big Dog.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 07:52 PM
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3. I was just talkin about that guy today, how did he manage to do that? Regards
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 08:01 PM
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4. repug propaganda, 'early' rearing of its ugly head.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 08:39 PM
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6. Lee Atwater
1991 article:

Gravely Ill, Atwater Offers Apology

In a detailed and candid article about his career and his fight against an inoperable brain tumor, Lee Atwater has apologized to Michael S. Dukakis for the "naked cruelty" of a remark he made about the Democratic Presidential nominee in the 1988 campaign.

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"In 1988," Mr. Atwater said, "fighting Dukakis, I said that I 'would strip the bark off the little bastard' and 'make Willie Horton his running mate.' I am sorry for both statements: the first for its naked cruelty, the second because it makes me sound racist, which I am not." Reputation as 'Ugly Campaigner'

Since being stricken last year, the 39-year-old Mr. Atwater has apologized on several occasions for many of the campaign tactics he once employed and for which he was criticized. But rarely has he spoken in such detail or with such candor as in the interview for the first-person Life article.

"In part because of our successful manipulation of his campaign themes, George Bush won handily," Mr. Atwater said. He conceded that throughout his political career "a reputation as a fierce and ugly campaigner has dogged me."

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/13/us/gravely-ill-atwater-offers-apology.html
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:07 AM
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15. How I would have answered Atwater.
You got what you deserved. Burn in hell.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:11 AM
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17. He lived a pathic life
and died very young. He is one of the few who acknowledged his wrong-doing. Can you imagine Cheney apologizing? And he looks like he doesn't have much time left on this earth. I would say Atwater is the very, very rare exception.

Cheney on his deathbed: "Saddam gassed his own people, enhanced interrogation saved American lives, WMD, WMD, WMD........"
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Keith Bee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:18 AM
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19. I agree
Atwater was a jerk, but at least he came to realize that. Cheney, I am certain, still thinks he did everything right.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 01:12 PM
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23. I think he brainwashed his own brain
Self-inflicted enhanced interrogation?
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:43 AM
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21. There were several factors that contributed to Dukakis' failure.
1.) Willie Horton's actions were brought up. Willie Horton was a rapist and murderer that was given furlough by Dukakis when he was the Governor of Massachussetts. Horton didn't return from furlough and while he was temporarily out of prison, he committed an armed robbery and raped a woman. Dukakis lost about 5 to 10 points there after there was a huge media blitz by the GOP about it.

2.) Dukakis was asked during the debates if he supported the death penalty. Then he was asked a question that was extremely personal. "Mr. Dukakis, if your wife, Kitty, was brutally raped and even murdered, you wouldn't want the death penalty for her attacker?" He said "No." and dropped about 8 points overnight. This was back when a huge majority of the country supported the death penalty.

3.) Pictures of him looking like a doofus in a tank. That probably cost him another 5 points.




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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 08:42 PM
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7. Things change in an instant in politics.
Edited on Tue May-10-11 08:42 PM by bigwillq
Some here said in 2006 that repukes wouldn't be in charge again for a long time. Then 2010 came along.....
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 08:00 AM
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12. As someone said before, politics changes very quickly..
Edited on Wed May-11-11 08:00 AM by Stuart G
He said something like, "It changes on a dime." Someone said that here.
.. It looks like this time, it has changed in our favor, and for a very good reason too.
The depth of Obama, no matter how you see things, is deep and powerful. Because of the events of last week, people now appreciate that depth.
..He got em, Bush and the rest of em didn't.
.And it was well planned and thought out. It is clear now who the leader is.
And it ain't Donald Trump...eh?
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:12 AM
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18. Donald Who?
Just a couple of weeks ago Trump was the Topic Du Jour....Now he's all but vanished.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 10:24 PM
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8. I do recall that.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:29 AM
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20. I remember 1984. Reagan vs Mondale.
Edited on Wed May-11-11 10:31 AM by 4lbs
Reagan won 49 out of 50 states, and Mondale only won his home state of Minnesota and DC too I think. Even then, Mondale barely won Minnesota.

It was a blowout for Reagan, who got about 60% of the popular vote too.

I remember here in California, my father had just come home from work on election day at 5:30pm Pacific (8:30pm Eastern) and was getting ready to go vote. However, I told him that the news organizations had just called the election for Reagan because he already won enough states in the Eastern time zone to give him 270 electoral votes.

My father was pissed to say the least. His remark was something along the lines of:

"WTF?!?!?!? Great, now I get to go vote for someone I already know has lost."
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aj_cd Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 12:44 PM
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22. that was my first vote too.
I was 18 and am happy to say, I have voted for Demeocrats ever since, not one exception.

before that at my school we had a "mock election" and voted just before the real election. I was in first grade, I voted for Kennedy. My Mom was pissed when I told her.
lol, but she thought I would outgrown it. I have not yet.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 01:37 PM
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24. If Democrats want to avoid this fate, they should choose another nominee.
in the event he actually makes it to the nominating platforum, I will be surprised if Obama gets even thirty percent of the vote in '12.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 01:49 PM
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25. LOL
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 04:41 PM
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26. LOLWUT?
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