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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 11:40 AM
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Jewish Donors Warn Obama on Israel
By LAURA MECKLER

Jewish donors and fund-raisers are warning the Obama re-election campaign that the president is at risk of losing financial support because of concerns about his handling of Israel.

The complaints began early in President Barack Obama's term, centered on a perception that Mr. Obama has been too tough on Israel.

Some Jewish donors say Mr. Obama has pushed Israeli leaders too hard to halt construction of housing settlements in disputed territory, a longstanding element of U.S. policy. Some also worry that Mr. Obama is putting more pressure on the Israelis than the Palestinians to enter peace negotiations, and say they are disappointed Mr. Obama has not visited Israel yet.

One top Democratic fund-raiser, Miami developer Michael Adler, said he urged Obama campaign manager Jim Messina to be "extremely proactive" in countering the perception in the Jewish community that Mr. Obama is too critical of Israel.

MORE...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703509104576331661918527154.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 11:44 AM
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1. Nothing new here.
Fortunately 'the Jewish community' is not single-minded.
Too complicated? That's the way of the world.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 11:44 AM
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2. Obama's actually done a good, fair job with respect to Israel
Donors are complainers who don't realize that the U.S. can both support Israel without forever kow-towing to it.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 12:22 PM
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11. who replaced the regular brentspeak?
;)
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 12:26 PM
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13. Should we organize a search party? I'm worried.
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 06:41 PM
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34. hehe..
:toast:
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 08:51 AM
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41. .
:spray:

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 11:54 AM
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 11:56 AM
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4. But cornel says he only likes the Jewish guys.
Something doesn't compute here.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 12:11 PM
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6. you beat me to it! poor dear brother cornell. the bitterness must have consumed his brain..
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 12:15 PM
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7. The poor man has lost his mind. Or he's found away to get attention
and money by acting crazy.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 12:07 PM
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5. Obama has just said...keep your money then. We want 1967 lines. n/t
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 12:20 PM
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10. When he said that I yelled out loudly
because that is the money line IMO.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 01:17 PM
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18. Why lie?
This country's policy under Bush was: Previous policy: "Until Thursday, the U.S. position had been that the Palestinian goal of a state based on the 1967 borders, with agreed land swaps, should be reconciled with Israel's desire for a secure Jewish state through negotiations."

How is this any different? Hint: It isn't. But if it makes you feel better to think he dumped on Israel (and I know it does), knock yourself out.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 02:38 PM
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23. Huh? I already knew that this was US policy for the past few generations.
Edited on Thu May-19-11 02:40 PM by vaberella
Least of all decades. I don't get your point. He just said it to an international body and to the other Arabs in the nation who may have issues with Israel. However, you're not speaking news to me and I think you're trying to claim that I'm making Obama seem exceptional which I'm not. I'm responding to the post in the way Obama did. If the donors hate it, fuck them. Obviously he's sticking to it. And I think you're reading way too much in my post that is hardly there. I understand people take issue with Obama, and I also understand on this board that I am considered a "cheerleader" for Obama. But don't assume that I'm in some way uninformed----and that I willing misconstrue or construe things to fit Obama and make him appear special. Which is contrary to the other side who even go as far as posting Right wing memes to make their point against the President. So calling me a liar is bloody uncalled for.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 08:44 AM
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40. It is a lie
to say that Pres Obama is saying to Jewish donors to keep their money. It's also a lie to say that he asked for 1967 borders. It's like nobody actually watched or read the speech which clearly says 1967 borders with land swaps which has been the US position since Pres Clinton.

And I would never call anybody a cheerleader for sticking up for Pres Obama - he's worth defending.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 06:09 PM
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32. Did you see Israel's PM's response?: Netanyahu's Office Tweets Disapproving Response to President
Edited on Thu May-19-11 06:11 PM by jenmito
In part: “Israel appreciates President Obama’s commitment to peace. Israel believes that for peace to endure between Israelis and Palestinians, the viability of a Palestinian state... cannot come at the expense of the viability of the one and only Jewish state,” the tweets state. “That is why Prime Minister Netanyahu expects to hear a reaffirmation from President Obama of U.S. commitments made to Israel in 2004, which were overwhelmingly supported by both Houses of Congress. Among other things, those commitments relate to Israel not having to withdraw to the 1967 lines which are both indefensible and which would leave major Israeli population centers in Judea and Samaria beyond those lines..."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/05/netanyahus-office-tweets-disapproving-response-to-president-obamas-speech.html
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 08:41 AM
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39. What part of
1967 PLUS LAND SWAPS is so hard for people to understand? What part of "our commitment to Israeli security is UNSHAKABLE" is hard to understand?

Bibi's an asshole but he's a politican first who also has to watch his right flank.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 12:18 PM
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8. Well, I'm one Jewish person who is happy with Obama's foreign policy. n/t
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 12:20 PM
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9. +1. Nt
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 12:34 PM
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14. Jen I hope all the Cornel West stuff the last few days hasn't
caused you too much pain. There have been a couple of horrible stereotypes floating around. I would like you to know I'm outraged that they were allowed here. They shouldn't be, no matter who spouts them.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 12:42 PM
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15. Thanks, DevonRex, but it hasn't bothered me at all...
maybe it's because I'm not religious. As a matter of fact, I'm agnostic with atheist tendencies. :) But Cornel West is just crazy and it's obviously personal for him. He just sounds ignorant as do those who agree with him.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 12:47 PM
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17. That's really good to hear.
The man definitely has a screw loose. or he's a vindictive jerk.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 03:09 PM
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27. +2
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 11:13 AM
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46. +1 for my husband.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 12:22 PM
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12. Hopefully Obama will stand firm against this blackmail. n/t
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 05:08 PM
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29. Why? No Democrats will stand with him
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 12:46 PM
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16. At some point we're going to lose that voting bloc just because the republicans
are giving the Israelis everything they want without conditions because their base wants them to. Israeli politics are only going to go further to the right. So how can we really compete for their vote outside of getting a peace treaty? Maybe I'm getting pessimistic.
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 01:58 PM
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21. I'd say
Court the hispanic and latino vote. ;-) Point out to lower tiers of the dying middle class 'white males' that they are never going to be billionaires - so they might as well start voting in their best interests.


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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 02:47 PM
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25. that's if you assume most american Jews are that beholden to israel...
Edited on Thu May-19-11 02:48 PM by dionysus
outside of AIPAC folks do you think that's the case?
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 06:30 PM
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33. Exactly right. Many are closer to the JStreet worldview than AIPACs
http://www.jstreet.org/

JStreeters will increase their campaign funding based on the latest turn of events.
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 07:00 PM
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36. Really it varies from person to person. It's definately not a 100% for or against thing.
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Stoic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 01:20 PM
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19. Jewish right wingers tug on the puppet strings.
Edited on Thu May-19-11 01:20 PM by Stoic
I support a peaceful, multi-cultural Israel.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 01:33 PM
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20. Would they have donated anyway?
I would suppose Republican Administrations would always be more pro-Israel, in fact right wing fundies would have been the preferred candidate for anyone who took the hard line on Israel. Jewish donors who previously gave to Democrats wouldn't come up with this reasoning.

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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 02:13 PM
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22. Good point. The majority of American Jews support Obama's push for a two state solution.
American Jews Continue to Support Obama Push for Two-State Solution, Back Strong U.S. Engagement
March 22, 2010

WASHINGTON -American Jews continue to support the Obama administration’s push for Middle East peace and seek strong U.S. leadership to resolve the conflict, according to a new poll released today by a pro-Israel, pro-peace group.

The J Street sponsored poll, conducted March 17-19, in the aftermath of escalating tensions between Israel and the United States after Israel announced new housing construction in East Jerusalem during Vice President Biden’s recent trip, was released today as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu delivered major policy speeches here.

Like previous surveys, this poll finds solid support in the Jewish community for J Street’s position that peaceful resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a core Israeli and American interest and that the United States should take an active leadership role in achieving peace.

American Jews by a four-to-one margin, 82-18 percent, support the United States playing an active role in helping the parties to resolve the Arab-Israeli conflict, with 73 percent of American Jews supporting this active role even if it means that the United States were to publicly state its disagreements with both the Israelis and the Arabs.

And by a 71-29 percent margin, American Jews support the United States “exerting pressure” on both the Israelis and the Arabs to make the necessary compromises to achieve peace. An earlier J Street poll last March found a similar level of support.

http://jstreet.org/blog/new-poll-american-jews-continue-to-support-obama-push-for-two-state-solution-back-strong-us-engagement/
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 06:45 PM
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35. Good stuff. I love J-Street. This illustrates the incorrect generalization of the article in the OP
It's not the OP's fault, but anything that says "Jews say", or "Jews believe" or "Jews will..." is an incorrect generalization. There are many different viewpoints in the Jewish community.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 02:43 PM
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24. Alright POTUS you better cool yer heels if you wanna see 2012.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 05:13 PM
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30. Did you forget the sarcasm thingy?
I don't see how such a small percentage of a small percentage of the American population can make that much difference.

There aren't that many Jewish people in America who fully support Israel in this. Most are looking for a multi-national Israel free from becoming that which they hate themselves.
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The Blue Flower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 02:52 PM
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26. Time for those of us Jews who want to see a new way forward
Time for us to be more vocal in our support of a new way forward. I get regular emails from JPAC and support them. One can love Israel and not agree with its policies.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 03:25 PM
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28. Peace in our time, eh?
IBMTI-PF
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 05:25 PM
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31. Wow, they are blatantly trying to bribe the President of the United States.
that ought to be illegal.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 10:20 AM
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42. If you say you won't donate to Obama if he doesn't support gay marriage, are you bribing him?
Donors give money to candidates that have policies they support.
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 08:24 PM
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37. Note SOME Jewish donors.
They are not monolithic in their thoughts or actions.
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pettypace Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 10:49 PM
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38. Jews comprise 1.7 percent of US population
I seriously doubt they could impact Obama's reelection in a major way.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 09:42 AM
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43. Whatever.
The 1967 border stance is nothing new. Same from GW Bush, same from Clinton. Yawn.

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ReturnoftheDjedi Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 11:06 AM
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44. Fuck them. eom
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 11:12 AM
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45. Abe Foxman from ADL liked the speech. So, I wonder how many of t hese Jewish donors there are.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/adls-abraham-foxman-obama-didnt-throw-israel-under-the-bus/2011/03/03/AFV3Rv7G_blog.html

“I don’t see this as the president throwing Israel under the bus,” he told me. “He’s saying with `swaps.’ It’s not 1967 borders in the abstract. It’s not an edict. It’s a recommendation of a structure for negotiations.”


The problem is that we continue to think the media tell us the truth. They dont. They have been absorbed by the entertainment divisions and are now focused on sensationalism.
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