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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 12:24 PM
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GOP attacks Dems from the left, accuses them of shredding `social safety net’

GOP attacks Dems from the left, accuses them of shredding `social safety net’

By Greg Sargent

So it’s come to this: Now Republicans are accusing Democrats of wanting to “shred the social safety net.”

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Here is the most amazing example of this yet — a remarkable new ad from the NRCC that accuses Dem Rep. Jerry Costello of Illinois of supporting a “Democrat plan” that would “decimate” Medicare, “shred the social safety net,” and “leave seniors at risk”:

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We’ll be hearing more of this accusation against Dems, so it’s worth a look. The ad claims (emphasis mine) that Costello “backs a Democrat plan the media says would decimate Medicare.” But the source for the claim is an editorial in Investors Business Daily. The ad also says the Democratic plan would “shred the safety net.” But the USA Today cited as the source makes a less direct claim: “Democrats know that the simple math of health care will eventually shred the social safety net they seek to protect.”

The GOP claim that Dems would destroy Medicare is based on the argument that Dems would do nothing at all on Medicare, and that the trustees for Medicare and Social Security have said the programs will become insolvent sooner than expected. Dems counter that they have already passed a slew of Medicare reforms in the Affordable Care Act (even if you argue that they are insufficient, Dems want them to be the basis for further reforms), and that they’re currently involved in the Biden-led deficit reduction talks, which are expected to deal with Medicare.

More broadly, the fact that Republicans are now attacking Democrats from the left on Medicare amounts to an acknowledgment that Dems have won the debate over Ryancare. Democrats have successfully cast the battle over Medicare as one between those who would save the program and those who would destroy it — or at least transform it so fundamentally that it would cease to exist. The GOP response is to muddy the waters by claiming that both sides agree Medicare needs to be cut and that the only difference is over the details. Indeed, Republicans have now taken to claiming that unlike the Dem plan, Ryancare wouldn’t cut Medicare at all; it would merely reform it. In short: Cutting Medicare is now bad; defending it from cuts is good.

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Sargent is right, USA Today "makes a less direct claim" than the wingnut rag Investors Business Daily, but it's still defending Ryan's scam and implying that Democrats are doing nothing.

From the USA Today editorial:

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Ryan plan or not, America can't prosper if spending on Medicare and health care generally continues to grow like a cancer. The Department of Health and Human Services projects that Medicare's cost to taxpayers will rise from an already sky-high $544 billion this year to $978 billion in 2019. That additional $434 billion equals about two-thirds of the national defense budget, and it is an 80% increase in less than a decade.

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One can see why Democrats would be pining for such a fight. Republicans killed them in the debate over health care reform, deploying every half-truth and fear-mongering trick in the book to score political points. This even included a campaign to scare seniors over some rather modest cuts to Medicare. But sooner or later the destructive, self-serving tit for tat has to stop. Washington's rising tab for health care is its single biggest fiscal problem.

The Ryan plan would try to restrain costs by giving future Medicare beneficiaries (people currently younger than 55) a fixed payment to help them buy private insurance. It has a number of flaws, most notably that it would surrender the natural bargaining power that taxpayers have when they band together to buy health care services, leaving individuals instead to fend for themselves.

For all its problems, however, it would unquestionably do something important by putting Medicare on a diet. In some form or fashion this will be necessary. The question — ducked in the New York race — is how.

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Ah, the clever GOP friendly media: Ryan's plan sucks, but it's the only plan on table to preserve Medicare.

Hogwash!

Krugman: Vouchercare Is Not Medicare

As for gullibility, Krugman said it best in April:

Oh, and for all those older Americans who voted GOP last year because those nasty Democrats were going to cut Medicare, I have just one word: suckers!



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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 12:37 PM
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1. Thanks for this important news.
The pubs are going to use every dirty trick they know and invent new ones to make President Obama a one term president. We need to know what they are up to.

K&R
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 12:52 PM
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2. I read this yesterday.. about how the Ryan plan will cut Medicare
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_exclusive/20110606/pl_yblog_exclusive/are-seniors-safe-under-gop-medicare-plan

"If Congress were to pass Ryan's plan and repeal the law, as House Republicans want, the 3 million to 4 million seniors left in the doughnut hole each year would immediately face significant out-of-pocket costs. They and all other Medicare beneficiaries would also lose access to a host of preventative-care benefits in the health care law, including free wellness visits to physicians, mammograms, colonoscopies, and programs to help smokers quit.

Perhaps more jolting, the Republican budget would cut spending on Medicaid—health care for the poor—much of which goes to long-term care for the elderly. Some 9 million seniors qualify for both Medicare and Medicaid benefits, and about two-thirds of all nursing-home residents are covered by Medicaid. The GOP budget proposes cutting some $744 billion from Medicaid over 10 years by turning the system into block grants that limit federal contributions and give states more choice in structuring benefits. No one knows exactly which Medicaid services states would choose to cut back, but senior citizens account for a disproportionate share of Medicaid outlays and would almost certainly bear some of the burden.

"We know that two-thirds of the dollars in Medicaid go to people who are disabled or over 65, so this is the big funder of long-term care in this country," said David Certner, AARP's legislative-policy director. "We also know this could have an impact on home- and community-based care, which is the kind of care individuals prefer the most often the ones that will be cut first."
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 12:58 PM
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3. Lying seems to be the strategy the GOP has chosen.
Edited on Tue Jun-07-11 01:01 PM by AtomicKitten
Karl Rove is famous for his strategy of attacking your opponent's strength. The Swift Boat Liars went after JKerry's military record because Junior had been virtually AWOL. Well, that horseshit worked. Medicare is the GOP's Achilles heel and the GOP will be working overtime to twist the truth. Dems must be prepared to shove that shit sandwich right back in their faces.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 03:19 PM
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7. And voters are easily swayed by lies.
Especially when Democratic campaigns do nothing or little to dispel the lies.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 01:06 PM
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4. I knew it, they'll just lie and shout it wide and loud...they have no other choice
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 01:26 PM
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5. Nearly every Dem agrees that some changes need to be made
just nothing like Ryancare. If Republicans are going to insist that Ryancare be made law polls (and commonsense) be damned, then doing nothing IS "the plan"- certainly the better one anyway. With the GOP controlling the House and the Senate GOP unanimously supporting Ryancare, who's to say that if the Democrats put an actual plan on the table that the Repubs are going to give it any serious consideration anyway?

There are plenty of options to reform/strengthen Medicare and Social Security without gutting either one of them. Republicans, as usual, are insisting on only having THEIR ideas- the ones that essentially privatize them- be discussed.

Come to think of it, this is pretty much what the Republicans did back in 2005 when it started becoming clear to them that they were losing on Social Security privatization- attack the Democrats for being obstructionist and not having a plan of their own.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 01:31 PM
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6. Yup:
"Come to think of it, this is pretty much what the Republicans did back in 2005 when it started becoming clear to them that they were losing on Social Security privatization- attack the Democrats for being obstructionist and not having a plan of their own."

They're still on privatization, TPM: House Republicans Look To Privatize Social Security

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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 03:45 PM
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8. Yeah, I saw that too
Edited on Tue Jun-07-11 03:48 PM by Proud Liberal Dem
:banghead:

Good for us though!!! :evilgrin:

The Repubs have absolutely no sense of timing. At a time where unemployment is 9.1%, the Republican's solutions are all about kicking people out of (government) jobs, ending labor protections, gutting all social programs, etc- all designed to make things WORSE . How they sleep at night is totally beyond me! :puke:
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Avant Guardian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 04:41 PM
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9. The GOP is so absurd
Integrity free asshats on crack.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 04:44 PM
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10. I posted about this a few days ago.
Edited on Tue Jun-07-11 04:46 PM by woo me with science
Dems need to get on top of this. They need to message 1) the Democratic plan and 2) what, specifically, will happen to Americans if the Republican plans go through, because right now the Republicans are working some very effective talking points. The few interviews I have seen with Democrats lately have been abysmal.

Example:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=683837&mesg_id=684117

I saw a segment on C-Span's American Journal that was infuriating. A Democratic and a Republican representative were arguing over the Ryan plan.

The Republican kept framing Ryan's plan as "saving Medicare" and "making sure benefits are still available to people in the future." He kept repeating that the Dems want no changes and that doing nothing will cause the plan to go bankrupt entirely.

The Democrat explained that the Ryan plan will use vouchers and increase allowed benefits only by the cost of living, while medical costs are rising much faster. However, he never went the next step to give actual out-of-pocket costs projected by the CBO.

He never once told the audience that their out-of-pocket costs will double.

Telling people that their benefits will increase with the other guy's plan, if only by the cost of living, is less effective than telling them, "Seniors pay $6000 out of pocket per year right now for medical care, but Republicans plan to have you pay at least $12,000."



And we are not just talking about health care messaging here. What is the Democratic plan to address long-term unemployment? Obama keeps talking about how we are on the right track and things are getting better. Well, go out and ask some people if we are on the right track and if things are getting better. Ask them if they have any idea what the Democratic plan for jobs is. Nobody knows.
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