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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 07:45 PM
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Weiner Draws No Defense From Democrats
Fellow Democrats pointedly refused to defend Rep. Anthony Weiner on Tuesday, telegraphing an unmistakable eagerness for him to resign after he admitted sending a lewd photo of himself to a woman via Twitter and lying about it.

Republicans swiftly sought political profit from the New York Democrat's predicament, which threatened to deepen when conservative blogger Andrew Breitbart said he had a sexually explicit photo of the 46-year-old congressman.

His political career in extreme jeopardy, Weiner had no public appearances. His spokesman did not respond to repeated requests for comment.

On Monday, after days of denials, the New York lawmaker admitted he had engaged in "several inappropriate conversations conducted over Twitter, Facebook, email and occasionally on the phone with women I had met online."

MORE...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/06/06/national/a135103D74.DTL
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 07:49 PM
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1. Compare how the Palin-apologists try to change history to defend her to...
how Democrats ALWAYS abandon their own when one gets in trouble. During Monicagate, Clinton didn't have a Democrat friend in the world. What Weiner did was stupid and boorish, but not criminal or evil. Let's move on.
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 07:53 PM
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2. I find Wiener's blantant lying about the situation for days...unforgivable.
Had it not been for that, a slap on the wrist while letting his wife deal with him would have been sufficient.

As it is now, he is a liar of first order and should resign immediately.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 10:45 PM
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19. Me too, when he was on Rachel I feel he was lying to me personally
He knows his supporters watch that show and he lied like a rug even though his situation as we know know it, was already WAY PAST HOPELESS. IF IT'S ONE WOMAN MAYBE YOU CAN CONTAIN IT IF IT'S "APPROXIMATELY SIX" FUGGETABOOUTIT! THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE TO OWN UP!

And that's when I started getting the feeling he was a POS.
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Township75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 07:57 PM
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4. Those Palin-apologists really are what we need to aspire to be like.
Let's start with Weiner. Let's start all being like Palin apologists now!
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 09:02 PM
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8. What some call being an 'apologist,' others call being loyal.
Weiner did not hurt me or any one of you by his actions. He may have disappointed some people by trying to keep his actions hidden from us (and the media), but he didn't betray anyone except, arguably, his new wife. OTOH, Obama has lied to us about Guantanamo, Iraq, Afghanistan and the War on Drugs. People have died as the result of Obama's (and Bush's and Reagan's and Nixon's) lies. So if people demand that liar Weiner resign, what about demanding the same of liar Obama?

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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 10:02 PM
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14. What a pantload.
"OTOH, Obama has lied to us about Guantanamo, Iraq, Afghanistan and the War on Drugs... People have died as the result of Obama'... lies. "

Prove it.
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 10:34 PM
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16. Are you suggesting that Obama DIDN'T promise to end, terminate or close down...
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Guantanamo Bay? The War on Drugs?

Or are you suggesting that Obama could do nothing about these issues -- even when he promised that he would and could?

Or are you suggesting that nobody has died as the result of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, in Guantanamo Bay, or because of the Drug War since Obama promised to end them all? You really think I need to PROVE any of those things? Where have you been living?

I'll concede that Obama didn't himself do any of the death-dealing. My point is that politicians all lie -- from Obama on down, but that some of the lies have serious, life and death consequences, while others are on the level of Brittany, Paris, Michael Jackson, Tiger Woods, et. al. I think Weiner's lies are pretty inconsequential, as politican's lies go.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 11:11 PM
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25. Newsflash: Obama did end the Iraq war and is on target to w/d combat troops from Afghanistan.
Edited on Tue Jun-07-11 11:13 PM by ClarkUSA
Congress refuses to fund the closing of Gitmo, so blame them. As for The War On Drugs, read here:
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Lowering+jail+terms+for+possession+president+obama&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

BTW, you have yet to prove President Obama lied about anything.
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 12:09 AM
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31. Why are troops still dying in combat operations in Iraq if the war has "ended"?
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 01:49 PM
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40. Because there are Shia/Iran-backed and Sunni Al-Qaeda backed Iraqi assholes who're taking potshots
That should be obvious to anyone.

But US troops are not waging war against them anymore.

That too, should be obvious.
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 02:22 PM
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42. Maybe their families will be comforted by the difference your draw.
Maybe they will also be comforted by your and Obama's declaration that the war has ended. But I doubt it. Because they and most people don't live in the world of DC bureaucratic doublespeak press releases. The war will end when all troops are withdrawn and not a day before.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 02:42 PM
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43. You're the one who's complaining, not them. That should tell you something.
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 02:45 PM
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44. Oh you have talked to the parents?
Are they happy their children are being killed? Your callous post tells alot about you.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 02:49 PM
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45. Have you? I don't presume to speak for them, unlike some, but I do read the news.
Edited on Wed Jun-08-11 02:51 PM by ClarkUSA
There have been no stories of whiny complaints from military families, who, unlike some civilians, understand the jobs their relatives signed up for.
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namahage Donating Member (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 12:03 AM
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30. So assign no blame to Congresspeople who voted for these things?
Edited on Wed Jun-08-11 12:08 AM by namahage
Tell me, what was Weiner's vote on the AUMF? Or on Gitmo?

Why is it only President Obama's responsibility to get it done?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 11:35 PM
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28. Actually almost all Democrats backed Clinton
That is why Lieberman's denunciation stood out. Nearly every Democrat in tha House and all in the Senate voted against impeachment (House) or against throwing him out (Senate).

Not to mention, before Clinton told the truth, he had lied to his wife, cabinet and the Congressional Democrats - many of whom used their political credibility defending him.

Frankly, I do not want to defend Weiner - his actions do not meet what should be expected of a Congressperson. At this point, they do not rise to illegal, but the investigation has not started. I assume all it will take is if one of the women is actually a girl.
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Moondog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 07:53 PM
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3. Well, duh. Picture
Edited on Tue Jun-07-11 07:57 PM by Moondog
Rep Weiner, along with some of his recent photos and quotes in a starring role in nearly every campaign ad for the '12 cycle. The man has become toxic waste, and many of his contemporaries believe that he's the political equivalent of Typhoid Mary. So they want him to go far, far away. And the sooner the better.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 07:57 PM
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6. depends on whether you think democrats can do better than this guy perhaps nt
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 08:04 PM
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7. Right now I imagine he hasn't a friend
in the world. The pundits and media are having a field day over this and the Republicans have melded into one giant finger pointing right at Weiner. And they will play it for all its worth.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 09:05 PM
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9. Now, now. I'm sure someone offered him a blindfold and a last cigarette.
:shrug:
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 09:33 PM
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10. Just like usuall..
scared as hell and feeding into the republiCON bullshit about sex and other sexual matters. Most of these people who are talking shit,do this and worse.

Now,everyone seems to be an authority on everyones' marriage as though they are personally involved in their relationship.
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 09:52 PM
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11. If it's true that he lied to them, I don't blame them
Edited on Tue Jun-07-11 09:52 PM by DrToast
I'd be pissed off, too. A lot of Dems defended him because he said he was hacked.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 09:55 PM
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12. Weiner
should have just come clean and avoided th freak show.

Greg Sargent:

<...>

The problem for Weiner, from the point of view of Democrats, is two-fold. The first is the sheer frivolity and carnivalesque nature of Weiner’s activities, which don’t send a good message at a time of high public anxiety about the economy. The second and more serious problem is the lying. By not telling the truth about this whole mess at the outset, Weiner put Dems in a terrible spot.

Indeed, Weiner privately assured Dem leaders that his Twitter account had indeed been hacked, and according to a source, they now feel personally betrayed. Today Nancy Pelosi sent a letter to the House Ethics Committee, formally requesting an investigation “to determine whether the Rules of the House of Representatives have been violated.”

I’m told that Dem leaders feel that Weiner’s presser yesterday raised more questions than it answered. As best as I can determine, no one in the leadership is taking any steps to pressure him to step down. But these things can change very quickly, and indeed, Dems don’t have to insist that he resign in order to make their ongoing displeasure known.

<...>

His alleged use of Congressional resources doesn't help.



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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 10:03 PM
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15. "Weiner privately assured Dem leaders that his Twitter account had indeed been hacked..."
Edited on Tue Jun-07-11 10:03 PM by ClarkUSA
...and according to a source, they now feel personally betrayed."

Fool me once...
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 10:00 PM
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13. No surprise here,when do Democrat politicians defend one of their own?
I can't come up with even one time.
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 10:34 PM
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17. Why defend him?
"Weiner didn’t do himself any good when he assured House leaders last week that his Twitter account had been hacked and that he had not sent the suggestive picture that started the furor."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/weiner-faces-democratic-rebukes-ethics-probe/2011/06/07/AGz0rELH_story.html
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 10:59 PM
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22. If Dems are so offended by Weiner, why didn't they go after Vitter?
I don't remember Democrats calling for Vitter to resign or calling for investigations. Republicans certainly didn't care. Now we have the GOP Chairman DEMANDING Vitter must resign. What's wrong with this picture?
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 11:30 PM
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27. That isn't much of a defense for Weiner.
Rep. Lee didn't get much of any support from fellow House Repubs.
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 03:51 PM
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46. But Vitter certainly did
Lee was dispensible..Vitter was not. And what Vitter did was far worse than what Lee did. But repubs needed Vitter's vote in the Senate, so they "forgave". As for Democrats, they werent calling for either repub to resign, unlike the GOP chairman who is now demanding Weiner resign. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 11:42 PM
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29. Bill Clinton circa 1998
for 6 months while he lied straight faced. There are many instances where, for some political reason or another, support has been weaker than it should have been.

Many times though I think that partisans DO defend people almost too quickly. Go back and look at the initial stories here o Wenier, he was defended - until it was clear he lied repeatedly.
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firehorse Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 10:41 PM
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18. Bloomberg defended him on WNYC today.
He said he should stay in office, and his constituents could decide if they want to vote for him again.
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 11:03 PM
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24. As is Alan Colmes tonight on his radio program. eom
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 12:21 AM
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32. More than can be said for most Democrats.
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 10:51 PM
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20. That's a damn shame but I have a feeling that they didn't like him much from the start.
After all he and Grayson were the only 2 congressmen who would go after the repubs hard. It made the rest of the establishment dems uncomfortable and look bad. This way they get rid of a thorn in their sides and they can go back to playing nice with the repigs.
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micraphone Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 04:09 AM
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35. Yup just another shame game....
Like leaving your cancer-stricken wife for another woman...

Like leaving your wife while recovering from a car crash for another woman...

How about going *AWOL*...

These guys did not leave politics. Au contraire. One *even* became POTUS fer gawds sake.

You can't fight Repig 'lions' ( who are untouchable to the party) with sheep.

There is plenty of precedent.

He harmed himself because he is human. The fight is against the inhuman killers of thousands, millions.

Get with it, people.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 10:58 PM
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21. Weiner is a liar, a weak man who wouldn't take responsibility for his choices & behavior
and then tried to blame his troubles on someone else. He pointedly and specifically lied to the American people about it. He made himself out to be the voice of progressive Democrats and his lying and sheer stupidity have become a huge distraction for the entire party. Exactly what kind of defense does he deserve from other Democrats? Did he give one single thought to Democrats or to anyone other than himself when he put the pictures of himself online?
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vroomvroom Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 12:44 AM
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33. 100% of All Men do the same thing.
Just saying. So Weiner didn't do anything out of the ordinary.
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sweetloukillbot Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 01:09 AM
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34. 100% of all men post pictures of their junk on social networks?
Um, ok.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 11:12 AM
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38. yes, all men are cheating, lying douchebags....
:eyes:
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 11:00 PM
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23. Rush Limpbawl wants Wiener to stay!
Reason enough for Wiener to resign.
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 11:15 PM
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26. so weiner's strategy is now to hide..
I guess he figured holding pressers and lying wasnt working out very well.
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Scottybeamer70 Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 04:20 AM
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36. OH, goodness no..............
we wouldn't want other dems defending him, now would we. I'm sure they are all so damn perfect.
I like humans a lot better than saints...........glad Mr. Weiner is human!
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 05:43 AM
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37. And no one will
until they understand just how deep this goes.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 11:22 AM
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39. They are probably worried about what else is going to come out about him
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 01:58 PM
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41. The last name cracks me up to no end
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 04:05 PM
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47. I think a lot of people are just waiting to see that everything is on the table
before they comment.
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 11:20 PM
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48. I have a big problem with this-do THEY want a 'walker' to take his place?
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