Why is there little or no political will to do anything to get Americans back to work?

On either side of the aisle?

During the campaigns, we heard JOBS JOBS JOBS, but now we hear nothing about jobs or the unemployed. Has it all just gone away?

Keeps the wages down.

demanding it. We are compliant.

We have to show our force as a collective, that is the power of the people, for the people, and by the people!!!

simple. :patriot:

One day they are the enemy then the next day we expect them to hire?

Personally I would prefer we emphasize entrepreneurship, small business, and sole proprietorships but our health care system makes it too onerous.

I think we can't begin to solve the nation's problems without tackling the health care system. It is stifling everything.

At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul." - The Principal in Billy Madison

don't bother, just read these threads: here and here.

after all the tax breaks, the loopholes, the incentives, etc., you believe that the reason companies are creating jobs is because they're despised?

"Personally I would prefer we emphasize entrepreneurship, small business, and sole proprietorships but our health care system makes it too onerous.

I think we can't begin to solve the nation's problems without tackling the health care system. It is stifling everything. "

Didn't Democrats enact health care reform? What Republican alternative are you proposing since GOP talking points appear appealing?

And then I'm making the point that we don't offer true alternatives to corporate hiring because we've tilted the field so negatively towards small businesses especially in the field of health care/insurance.

Do you honestly disagree with that assessment?

"And then I'm making the point that we don't offer true alternatives to corporate hiring because we've tilted the field so negatively towards small businesses especially in the field of health care/insurance.

Do you honestly disagree with that assessment?"

Yes, it's a bogus assessment. It claims that corporations are being spiteful because people are mean to them.

Let me ask: When business paid more taxes and before the ridiculous loopholes and tax breaks, how is it that they managed to create jobs?

Also, you keep making the argument that health care/insurance field is "tilted" "negatively" to corporations?

Really? That's the goverment's fault?

What are you suggesting should happen?

People here have a wide range of diverse opinions. That's one. Two, people complaining here about certain corporate practices doesn't negate the fact that certain corporate interests are holding on to vast sums of money just like any hostage taker would. In order to achieve their wet dream of paying no taxes and having zero regulations. Now don't complain when people call you out when you use simplistic right wing talking points (which you do quite often).

you keep saying that like it's a good thing.

who's "we" anyway? Liberals? DU?

I've heard this argument from right-wingers and I think to myself, who would believe this nonsense? And now I'm seeing it on DU. :crazy:

The businesses aren't hiring because people on DU are mean to them. :rofl:

It's an equation that doesn't work. They're killing themselves (along with the rest of us in the process) but they'll never realize it because they can't see past the next quarter.

The right wing wants to get rid of president Obama and the best way they can see to do that is to keep unemployment high by NOT creating jobs. Any jobs bill that comes forward has to be passed by both the house and congress. The house, republican controlled, is NOT going to do anything that will help the president, so they aren't going to come up with any bills from republicans, and they won't pass any bills brought up by democrats!

Wall street doesn't want to be regulated, so they are fighting it with all they have. They even have come out and said regulations will HURT the economy so they can try and get the public on their side! Big corporations are sitting on "TRILLIONS" and won't cut lose with their cash to create new jobs because the to want to regulation free, and they want Obama out of office! Republicans don't give damn about putting people back to work, and they think they can put the blame on the democrats, unions, etc. and hope the public doesn't see through their BS! They are already going about JOB PREVENTION in most of the states the now control, thanks to the last election when republicans won big because so many democrats didn't bother to get out and vote!

You are correct, it is pretty simply ... and should be pretty obvious to any one who cares to see it.

each time he reaches out to the business community, he gets slammed by the leftosphere as a traitor. How the hell can he be expected to get anything meaningful done? :shrug:

If they can keep the economy from improving, they figure the voters will be mad and want to change Presidents. It's sad that so many people fall for that trap, because if the R's get the WH back in 2012, it's going to be too late for a lot of people who were fooled yet again.

One can only hope some people's eyes in WI, FL and OH were opened after the 2010 midterms when they let some horrible Repub governors take over.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/10/opinion/10krugman.html?_r=1&ref=paulkrugman

Rule by Rentiers
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: June 9, 2011

The latest economic data have dashed any hope of a quick end to America’s job drought, which has already gone on so long that the average unemployed American has been out of work for almost 40 weeks. Yet there is no political will to do anything about the situation. Far from being ready to spend more on job creation, both parties agree that it’s time to slash spending — destroying jobs in the process — with the only difference being one of degree.

Nor is the Federal Reserve riding to the rescue. On Tuesday, Ben Bernanke, the Fed chairman, acknowledged the grimness of the economic picture but indicated that he will do nothing about it.
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What lies behind this trans-Atlantic policy paralysis? I’m increasingly convinced that it’s a response to interest-group pressure. Consciously or not, policy makers are catering almost exclusively to the interests of rentiers — those who derive lots of income from assets, who lent large sums of money in the past, often unwisely, but are now being protected from loss at everyone else’s expense.
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While the ostensible reasons for inflicting pain keep changing, however, the policy prescriptions of the Pain Caucus all have one thing in common: They protect the interests of creditors, no matter the cost. Deficit spending could put the unemployed to work — but it might hurt the interests of existing bondholders. More aggressive action by the Fed could help boost us out of this slump — in fact, even Republican economists have argued that a bit of inflation might be exactly what the doctor ordered — but deflation, not inflation, serves the interests of creditors. And, of course, there’s fierce opposition to anything smacking of debt relief.

Who are these creditors I’m talking about?.... (more at link)

There have been all kinds of middle class tax cuts/tax credits passed to spur hiring, invest in growing small businesses, etc. The stimulus saved or created 2 to 3 million jobs. There has been the most investment in green energy in our history. The President and Dems have a whole package of "Made In America/Innovate In America" initiatives (which the Pukes block). Since this time last year we've added 1.5 million jobs, 800,000 this year alone. But when you lose 8.5 million, it will take YEARS to replace them all. This was a virtual depression So let's keep some perspective. The best thing to do is vote out the Pukes again in 2012 so we can implement the Made in America program.

The GOP Governor's and State Legislatures are doing their part too ... by laying off hundreds of thousands of state and local workers to help slow any recovery and push the unemployment rate back up if they can.

From what I read pretty much guaranteed if you raise peoples salaries you will see more jobs.

However the people holding all the cash are not willing to take a cut even though it could possibly benefit them in the long run.

Or maybe it's actually the financial markets have become so divorced from the actual productive side of the economy that you can actually make more money just buying a bunch of stuff and then if it goes up a little selling it than you can at the riskier investing in a real business?

and the masters of the politicians, the Corporations, benefit from high unemployment. It allows them to hire workers at lower wages, to keep existing workers without having to dramatically raise wages or benefits and lastly it keeps inflation low.

The House is setting things up to allow Obama to fail. Nothing has passed the House, unless it's been Republican items which would hurt the nation and then that would end up failing in the House.

R's don't want Obama to have any sort of success. The idea is to hold off as much as possible even if means allowing America to bleed out or die---in order to win over Obama. Because if the nation fails---Obama then loses. Then they can come in with their guy who will save the day by doing what Obama would have done.


You're looking at a set of idiots who actually voted against bills they wrote when Obama supported them. And they found a way to spin it as though it's the work of the devil. I don't understand how this is hard to grasp by anyone.

tax incentives? co-pay wages?

How about adding to the taxes of corporations that make more than xxx% in profits? They can make more if they hire more.

As long as the Bush tax cuts exist, there will be no jobs.

then it does to stimulate and create demand here. American's are just too expensive to keep around in today's "global economy".

America is still the greatest country of all. We willingly let our standard of living drop to help the rest of the world's rise.