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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 06:49 AM
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Robert Reich: What's Germany's Secret?
What’s Germany’s secret? In sharp contrast to the decades of stagnant wages in America, real average hourly pay has risen almost 30 percent there since 1985. Germany has been investing substantially in education and infrastructure.

How did German workers do it? A big part of the story is German labor unions are still powerful enough to insist that German workers get their fair share of the economy’s gains.

That’s why pay at the top in Germany hasn’t risen any faster than pay in the middle. As David Leonhardt reported in the New York Times recently, the top 1 percent of German households earns about 11 percent of all income – a percent that hasn’t changed in four decades.

Contrast this with the United States, where the top 1 percent went from getting 9 percent of total income in the late 1970s to more than 20 percent today.

The only way back toward sustained growth and prosperity in the United States is to remake the basic bargain linking pay to productivity. This would give the American middle class the purchasing power they need to keep the economy going.

Part of the answer is, as in Germany, stronger labor unions — unions strong enough to demand a fair share of the gains from productivity growth.

http://robertreich.org/post/6538345540
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 07:07 AM
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1. BUT, BUT everyone knows that labor unions are BAD!
Those poor Germans, suffering under SOCIALISM!

They don't have our American exceptionalism, those unfortunate Germans! How sad for them!
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 07:11 AM
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2. Another factor is employee representation on governing boards
A dual board system is prescribed by law for German stock corporations:

The Management Board is responsible for managing the enterprise. Its members are jointly accountable for the management of the enterprise. The Chairman of the Management Board coordinates the work of the Management Board.

The Supervisory Board appoints, supervises and advises the members of the Management Board and is directly involved in decisions of fundamental importance to the enterprise. The chairman of the Supervisory Board coordinates the work of the Supervisory Board.
The members of the Supervisory Board are elected by the shareholders at the General Meeting. In enterprises having more than 500 or 2000 employees in Germany, employees are also represented in the Supervisory Board, which then is composed of employee representatives to one third or to one half respectively. For enterprises with more than 2000 employees, the Chairman of the Supervisory Board, who, for all practical purposes, is a representative of the shareholders, has the casting vote in the case of split resolutions. The representatives elected by the shareholders and the representatives of the employees are equally obliged to act in the enterprise's best interests.

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5.1.2 The Supervisory Board appoints and dismisses the members of the Management Board. When appointing the Management Board, the Supervisory Board shall also respect diversity. Together with the Management Board it shall ensure that there is a long-term succession planning. The Supervisory Board can delegate preparations for the appointment of members of the Management Board to a committee, which also deals with the conditions of the employment contracts including compensation.
http://www.bayer.com/en/E_CorGov_Final_Version_June_2009.pdfx

It's a little harder to pull off union-busting tactics when the employees have a direct voice in governing the corporation. Hardly impossible, but harder to pull off, and easier to win concessions when the Chairman needs employee support to do things.

Also helps keep executive compensation to sane levels, since the Chairman can't pack the compensation board with friendlies the way a CEO can.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 08:37 AM
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8. Very interesting. Can you imagine the police tactics that our government would use against labor if
we demanded that kind of thing? That's why workers in the USA are either scared of our government, or programmed by the propaganda to think American workers don't DESERVE to be paid more.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 09:43 AM
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10. I know what it took for the Germans to get it...
...but I'd rather we avoid the whole "rebuilding from when a fascist takeover led the country to smoking ruin" part.
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-11 10:17 AM
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24. That indeed may be the price that will have to be paid before American workers come to their senses.
The country is rapidly becoming an Oligarchy which is nothing more than a dictatorship of the wealthy who a consolidating their control over every aspect of the nation's business ranging from business to education.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 12:09 AM
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16. I really like the labor representation on the boards
Edited on Mon Jun-20-11 12:11 AM by fujiyama
and another key not mentioned is that German corporations take a more active approach (with real encouragement and active involvement from government) in educating their future and current workers. They work closely with colleges, trade schools, and universities in building workers' skills that will give those people the ability to work after graduating, or even while they are studying. These are programs that have been torn apart through mindless budget cuts across the US (note, Walker and WI apprenticeship programs). This is also a great way to have people avoid being crippled with thousands of dollars in debt for certifications that may or may not be in demand by employers.

Here, we'd rather give the corporation a tax cut in some deluded and naive belief that they will just magically create jobs because of it. It's asinine.

Ultimately, what I see is that Germans are really allowed to take pride in what they build because they are not (typically) saddled with the stress and cynicism that their employer will just ship their factory overseas. They also know that if their job is lost, they will not be thrown to street and have them and their family lose their health care.

Yes, it's true that companies like VW have factories abroad like in Mexico, but that is either for those markets they are serving (like BMW in SC, which builds models developed primarily for the US market) or those immediately surrounding them (like VW's Mexico plants build Jettas shipped to the US).
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 07:15 AM
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3. Once corpo-merica bleeds all the wealth from it's workforce, it will
look for new hosts. Looks like the German populace is ripe for the picking.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-11 12:27 PM
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14. Exactly - rape, pillage and move on.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 07:24 AM
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4. Germany also has universal healthcare.
A large deduction is removed from wages, true. But almost everything from doctors to tests to hospitals is free.

My friend was visiting Germany last year. She developed an inability to walk. She was seen right away by a cadre of medical professionals at the city hospital. Ultrasound, blood work, CAT Scan, etc. I don't remember whether it was absolutely free or just $600 because she wasn't a German citizen.

Universal healthcare coupled with strong labor rights and benefits explain Germany's strong GDP.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 08:14 AM
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6. Rather than lay workers off during the great recession, they let employees share jobs
Something, of course, we did very little of in this country.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 08:17 AM
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7. NPR Compares International Medical Bills: Germany
Compare International Medical Bills
July 2, 2008

Countries with governments and economies similar to the United States have come up with a variety of methods to make sure that all of their citizens receive health care. While residents in Europe and Japan may pay higher insurance premiums or taxes than Americans, in the end, when all costs are added up, Americans spend more money on health care per person with fewer people covered. (Data most recent available as of July 2008.)

Use the drop-downs below to compare countries.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=110997469

Germany

Population: 82.3 million

Life expectancy at birth: 79

Health spending as part of GDP: 10.7%

System type: Universal coverage. Mostly employer-employee based (88%).

Coverage: 99.8 % -- all citizens and legal residents

Average annual per-person spending:
Total: $3,673
Breakdown: $2,518 on mandatory employment-based coverage, nonprofit insurance; $259 on for-profit insurance; $349 by government; and $547 consumer out-of-pocket*.

Financing: Workers split premiums with employers, with each paying about 8% of workers' gross income to nonprofit "sickness funds." Those earning over $75,000 may purchase insurance from for-profit insurers.

Notable features: Comprehensive coverage including basic dental and long-term care. Short waits - usually less than a month - for elective surgery. New programs provide extra attention to diabetes and other chronic illnesses.

Biggest challenges: Large and growing aged population, high costs, high rate of specialist visits.

Prescription drug coverage: Full coverage with small copayments. Federal panel controls prices and an expert committee decides which new treatments should be covered.

Doctors: Regional groups of office-based doctors negotiate with insurers over annual budgets. Hospital-based doctors, including most specialists, are salaried.

Hospitals: Insurers negotiate with hospitals over annual budgets.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-11 04:58 AM
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11. That's a really useful article--the comparisons really show where we stand and it ain't good. nt
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 01:20 AM
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18. What's notable is every one of those other systems provides universal
Edited on Mon Jun-20-11 01:24 AM by fujiyama
or near universal coverage and they spend less.

We just don't get a good deal here - feels like a major rip off! And I think the % of those insured is not even a good metric because so many with health insurance have garbage insurance which covers close to nothing. What a joke.

And shit for brains tea baggers on medicare say we have the greatest health care system in the world. Fuck them. Hope they choke on their fucking bags.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 07:32 AM
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5. Just goes to show
the whole world isn't collapsing.

"That’s why pay at the top in Germany hasn’t risen any faster than pay in the middle. As David Leonhardt reported in the New York Times recently, the top 1 percent of German households earns about 11 percent of all income – a percent that hasn’t changed in four decades."

That's similar to 1970s U.S.

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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 09:42 AM
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9. Germany had to learn the hard way.
Twice.

They took the last lesson to heart and built one of the most civilized societies on earth.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-11 01:05 PM
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15. We should have learned from reagan.
But we went and had to have 12 years of bush.

If Obama doesn't start listening more to people like Reich instead of geitner, we get to go for a third dose.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-11 11:14 AM
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12. It's no mystery...
1. A proper healthcare system
2. A unionized and generally happy workforce
3. Germany KEEPS THEIR MANUFACTURING JOBS IN-COUNTRY!
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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 01:58 AM
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20. Well, number 3 isn't exactly true
Volkswagen is building a new plant in Tennessee, Mercedes builds cars in Alabama, BMW in South Carolina, and Audi is considering building one in the US in the next few years.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-11 12:12 PM
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13. How tragic that voices like Reich's are ignored by this president.
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 12:49 AM
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17. If this is socialism . . .
Then I'm a socialist. And I no longer care who knows it.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 01:24 AM
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19. Them Europeans has had some bad experiences with BULLIES for leaders...hence, better results
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 06:18 AM
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21. K & R even though
to late to rec.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 10:19 AM
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22. One word...
SOLIDARITY.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 10:57 PM
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23. I'm entitled to dual German citizenship. I may go get my German/EU passport just in case...
;-)
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