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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 05:35 AM Original message |
Obama’s 2012 Game Plan: How can the president rev up and mobilize his demoralized liberal base? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 05:57 AM Response to Original message |
1. Changing course would still be the best option to pull us back in, and there's still time. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 01:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
35. Given that 86% of liberal Democrats approve of Obama's job performance, I call bullshit |
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krawhitham (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-03-11 07:04 PM Response to Reply #35 |
91. +1 |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-03-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #35 |
92. Agreed wholeheartedly n/t |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-04-11 08:50 PM Response to Reply #35 |
106. There is a problem with that statistic... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-02-11 02:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
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alc (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 06:00 AM Response to Original message |
2. electoral votes |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 06:29 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. How, exactly, does a billion dollars "buy" volunteers? |
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alc (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 07:02 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. phone & neighborhood canvassing |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 07:16 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Ahh, so no, they wouldn't be volunteers; they'd just be poorly-paid staff. |
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alc (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 07:59 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. depends on the message |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 06:35 AM Response to Original message |
4. A this point, it's all about allowing him to win, but by a margin lower than Bush got. |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 06:51 AM Response to Original message |
5. If he stood strong on Democratic principles re the debt ceiling talk |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 06:54 AM Response to Original message |
6. He doesn't need to revitalize his base, He needs to attract independents. |
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mazzarro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 07:40 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. How are you sure that dems will vote for Obama when they are disillusioned with him? |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 07:56 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. No. "Demos" are not likely to stay at home. |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 09:30 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. I must be the fringe of the fringe left then |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:49 AM Response to Reply #17 |
26. DITTO HERE! I Already Smell The Stink Of HOW I'm Going To Be FORCED |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. living in Iowa we had a real good look at all of them |
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okieinpain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #17 |
56. yeah your right he does fight for the people, just the fat cats..... |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-03-11 02:54 AM Response to Reply #17 |
82. "If I even thought he was fighting for us, I would fight for him like a tiger." |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-03-11 12:58 AM Response to Reply #10 |
81. I get the feeling you are wrong |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:36 AM Response to Reply #9 |
21. Is there any imperical evidence that a significant majority of Dems are disillusioned with him? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:17 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. If repeated enough by those interested in just that happening, |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. The problem is that it doesn't have to be a majority. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 08:20 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. It is the activists that get Dems out in numbers to win. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:36 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. +1 |
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qwlauren35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 09:35 PM Response to Reply #13 |
54. I'm not sure about this. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-02-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #13 |
72. Deleted message |
krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 10:58 AM Response to Reply #6 |
67. Good luck with that one..he will need more than luck IMO. |
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Hand_With_Eyes (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-03-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #6 |
87. Lets hope Obama does NOT agree with you |
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CrazyBob (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-04-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #6 |
104. Oh brother |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
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apnu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #12 |
25. I know a deep roted conservative who will never pull the lever for a Dem say... |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-03-11 10:46 PM Response to Reply #25 |
99. I see you fell for your conservative friend's advice and opinion |
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1stlady (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-04-11 03:57 PM Response to Reply #99 |
105. I couldn't agree more!! |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
14. to "fight like hell for progressive policies" you have to believe in them in the first place nt |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. I'm not sure, but... |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
15. What the hell... |
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theaocp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
16. Why would he need to? |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:31 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Bwah! |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
22. Fuck it! |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:55 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Not To Worry My Pretty... Obama Will Get His Votes... He Just Won't Get |
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great white snark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Oh the drama. Nobody is forcing you to vote for him. |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 01:07 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. What Light? Bark Away, It's Posted Here ALL THE TIME. I Speak My |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Nothing new in what you are saying! |
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rusty fender (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-02-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #32 |
69. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-04-11 09:12 PM Response to Reply #22 |
107. So you concede he's fucked and the quisling wing of the Democratic Party is too? |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
28. Simple you either get Obama or you get some nut case with a nut case GOP congress |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
30. You're right of course - there is a best-case third option, but it assumes... |
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boxman15 (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
33. While Obama deserves some blame for watered down bills, |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. What you said here: |
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boxman15 (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. I agree to a certain extent |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Yes, There Are People Here Who Think That When One Criticizes Him |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #33 |
45. Welcome to DU |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 07:46 PM Response to Reply #33 |
62. Welcome to DU! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
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Ice Number Nine (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
40. Obama's real base is not demoralized. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 02:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. That explains the Democrats' stunning victories in 2010. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 03:07 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Oh there's a problem allright! |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. No, I really don't think they know who they are. (NT) |
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Ice Number Nine (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. you're right. Those who attempt to hamstring Obama feel that they're righteous, somehow. |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. And how is that voter apathy working out for them now that |
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Ice Number Nine (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 05:18 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. They taught Obama a lesson by letting their Union rights be stripped away? |
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qwlauren35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 09:47 PM Response to Reply #41 |
55. A lot of Obama's base... |
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pstokely (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 05:02 AM Response to Reply #55 |
64. And a lot of his base may not vote again for a long time |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. No True Scotsman, eh? |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 05:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. No, they think it was money well spent - very happy with what they BOUGHT. |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 05:20 PM Response to Reply #40 |
57. +1 mil |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
58. +1 |
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bigdarryl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
43. This talk of THE BASE is a myth there is no base when voting for President |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
51. Nothing can be done. Best he can hope for is a Palin nomination, which is why |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
52. As I understand, there's a lot of "stimulus" money that hasn't been used yet |
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EndElectoral (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
53. I'm not sure he can win the base back He'll get fear of other side votes, but I doubt like in 08. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
59. Among those who call themselves the demoralized base, probably nothing |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 07:12 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Spot on perfect reply. See mine below yours. |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 11:07 AM Response to Reply #59 |
68. Hammer meet nail? Spot on analysis. |
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Hand_With_Eyes (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-02-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #59 |
74. I bet if Obama stopped making deals with the far right extremists |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-03-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #74 |
88. Ever had to actually govern anything? Know anything at about American history? If you think you can |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-03-11 11:23 PM Response to Reply #88 |
101. Starting from the middle does not seem to work! Notice that? n-t |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
60. "Demoralized Base" - In other words, the ultrapurists who'd rather whine and bitch than see all the |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 10:57 AM Response to Reply #60 |
66. Sorry if I don't like being in six wars. Lmao. |
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BklnDem75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-02-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. LOL!!! |
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Hand_With_Eyes (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-02-11 10:16 PM Response to Reply #60 |
75. I think you have it! |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-02-11 10:57 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. "Democrats" should not have to come up with a "formula". They stayed |
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Hand_With_Eyes (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-03-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #77 |
86. Case in point |
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MouseFitzgerald (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 02:14 AM Response to Original message |
63. He cant and hes not going to |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
65. Lol, he could start by not starting any more wars, oh and that dea memo isn't going to help. |
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NC_Nurse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-02-11 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
73. meh. the fear vote is what hes getting from me. Im done hoping for better from |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-02-11 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
76. You're assuming he cares about us and not just our money. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-02-11 11:02 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Do you also know what he had for dinner? |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-03-11 06:21 PM Response to Reply #78 |
89. Perhaps some prime steak and an endive salad. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-03-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Why only "Perhaps"? You seem to know Pres. Obama's every thought and intention. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-03-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Deleted message |
ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-03-11 09:34 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. That's false. You have created a strawman argument now. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-03-11 09:54 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Stop avoiding your own words. Oh, and learn what "strawman" means. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-03-11 10:45 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. I know exactly what it means. And what were my words, exactly? |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-04-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #94 |
102. Read your own headlines. And no you don't know what a straw man is. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-03-11 09:39 PM Response to Reply #90 |
95. Prove your statement. Don't duck your own words. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-03-11 10:48 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. Again, that's false. You have now duplicated your strawman argument on two different subthreads. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-04-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. No. You are wrong. And you have now misused the term strawman in two different posts. |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-02-11 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
79. It's still 'too early' to say (wait 14 months...). |
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21st Century FDR (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-03-11 12:12 AM Response to Original message |
80. Do what the last guy did when faced with a Great Depression |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-03-11 02:56 AM Response to Reply #80 |
83. ^ Recommend the post above ^ |
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21st Century FDR (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-03-11 09:03 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. It's been their mission from the beginning to do so |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-03-11 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
97. Let's see . How about some more marijuana busts? |
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JustAmused (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-04-11 11:33 PM Response to Original message |
108. Another option |
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