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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 12:34 PM Original message |
The tendency that many progressives have to believe the worst about Obama is a big problem |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
1. +1,000,000,000!! K&R!! n/t |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 12:49 PM Original message |
plus a zillion!! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
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Zen Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
3. You're right. We have some real jumpers here. Sadly. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
4. "There will be a public option." ..."The President will not allow Bush tax cuts for the rich" |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Sometimes You Can't Get What You Want, Even if You are President |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. Especially when you willingly and willfully hand over what you supposedly want. |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. The Votes Were Never There for a Public Option |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. The WH traded it away in a backroom deal long before votes were even considered. |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #26 |
50. You Know This How? |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #50 |
75. This article sort of sums it up: |
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BklnDem75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 10:10 AM Response to Reply #75 |
112. A lobbyist for the health industry |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:42 PM Response to Reply #26 |
81. Please do tell the juicy details... |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 03:10 PM Response to Reply #81 |
91. See #75 - don't know how you missed this at the time. |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 01:07 PM Response to Reply #26 |
117. Lieberman was never going to vote yes ... NEVER. |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:47 PM Response to Reply #24 |
49. I am so old I remember when 51 votes were needed. |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. The Repiglickins Filibuster Everything Now, so Anything Less than 60 is DOA |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:12 PM Response to Reply #24 |
67. Since 70% of the populace was in favor of it when he took office, |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:43 PM Response to Reply #67 |
83. To Obama it was worthy enough to make a public statement in support of those programs n/t |
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muffin1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:04 PM Response to Reply #9 |
28. Twould be nice if he fought for it, though. nt |
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21st Century FDR (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #9 |
29. Well, if you're gonna reference Stones lyrics |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #29 |
84. bull |
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21st Century FDR (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #84 |
92. Maybe you should e mail the President your own signature. |
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mazzarro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
70. +100,000,000,000% - Thank You For Reminding The Forgetfulls -- n/t |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 04:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
118. keeping 'ours' honest means having a good memory about these things |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
5. That's one view. imo the tendency to accept the President's use of Republican framing... |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
6. Define "slash" versus "cut" and I'll be happy. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #6 |
61. In the dictionary, 'slash' is a specific style of cut. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
8. Obama is not a "leader" that has instilled confidence |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Sad, but true - many of us worked our butts off for this prez... |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
42. partly because a fair number of those unhappy want a fisticuffs and loud leader |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 08:04 AM Response to Reply #42 |
109. Get what done? Nixonian legislation that Democrats voted against years ago? (nt) |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
10. "But the damage is already done." Indeed, people are played |
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BlueCaliDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. It makes me wonder what the difference is between the ultra-Leftwingers and the ultra-Rightwingers. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #16 |
35. Here's the difference: the right is principled about fighting for corporations... |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #35 |
73. The Right's Principles Resemble the Ferenghi Rules of Acquisition |
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BlueCaliDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #35 |
96. You say "principled". I call it fanatical. And there is a fine line between them. |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #96 |
120. You win the thread |
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Bobbie Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #16 |
36. There's a very fine line. nt |
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BlueCaliDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #36 |
95. A barely visible one. They both, however, believe in their ideologies and tolerate NO dissent |
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ProfessionalLeftist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
11. After the dodge on the public option, after keeping bu$h's tax cuts |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Stalling on DADT or getting done right and sound. . . |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #13 |
45. Okay "Stalling on DADT" |
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BlueCaliDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Yeah. They are. eom |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. 2.5 years after being sworn in, DADT is *DEAD*.... not fast enough for you? |
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ProfessionalLeftist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. ... And he made backroom deals to ditch the public option |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #27 |
43. i'm still looking for evidence of the backroom deal for the PO, care to show it to me? nt |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #27 |
58. FALSE. He never made any backroom deals to ditch the PO. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:49 PM Response to Reply #58 |
88. The deal was cut early on, before votes were even counted... |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 11:33 AM Response to Reply #88 |
123. Please quote Obama claiming this....regards |
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Palmer Eldritch (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #11 |
127. Are those the only things you care about?? |
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BlueCaliDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
12. I wish I could rec'd your post 1,000,000 times over! Some Progressives |
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VeryConfused (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
15. As the saying goes: With friends like these, who needs enemies? |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #15 |
30. More accurately, that's what principled Dems should say about this WH... |
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VeryConfused (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. Are you using "more accurately" in an ironic sense? |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. As a principled Dem (not just a club member) I'm saying... |
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VeryConfused (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. A grown up mature Democrat |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Obviously you don't know the difference between those who are Dems... |
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VeryConfused (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. I think you don't understand what it means to think like a grown up Democrat |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:12 PM Response to Reply #57 |
68. Not at all - a principled Dem will FIGHT for critical policy positions... |
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VeryConfused (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Fighting for something means working to get more Democrats and Progressive elected |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:24 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. It also asks that a leader doesn't toss away the policies... |
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VeryConfused (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Please be specific, what policies on SS has the President Proposed |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #77 |
86. I'm not only talking about the most recent negotiations, but ALL of them... |
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VeryConfused (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 06:32 AM Response to Reply #86 |
107. This thread is about BELIEVING the worst |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
19. Here's the thing |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #19 |
60. There's a bipartisan effort to see the President fail---at least by netizens. |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
21. AMEN +10000000000 |
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Webster Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
22. Not really too surprising. The prez has a habit of going back on his words. |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
23. Obama's white house always denies everything |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #23 |
89. "The pattern was set very early in the presidency." |
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chowder66 (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
25. It's frightening isn't it? |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
31. Exactly. Dems play into the R's hands again and again |
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theaocp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
32. Believing the worst is waaaaay different than rooting for it. |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:10 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Crap. People were talking about "bringing out the crow" |
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theaocp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #34 |
78. That's still not rooting for the worst. |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #32 |
90. "There's a-doins a-transpirin' " |
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theaocp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Hahahahahahaha! |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. I don't watch Simpsons |
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Palmer Eldritch (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #32 |
128. You want him to fail. Can you at least admit that much? |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
33. No, that's not the problem at all. |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. I ain't stopping shit. . . |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:21 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Alrighty then! |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Why should I not be participate? I am defending the Democratic President. . . |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. I misread your post...my apologies. |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. No worries |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
38. People want to believe the worst |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
48. Why did he say they were on the table if there was no intention |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. FACT: Pres. Obama in his SOTU said he'd cut costs and fraud but not benefits. Nothing has changed. |
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stockholmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #55 |
72. your 'facts' are simply wishful thinking - Exclusive: Obama may cut Social Security- Bernie Sanders |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. How does that "may" story contradict the facts that I just told you? |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:35 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Simple: Bernie good, Obama bad. |
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libmom74 (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. I know I trust |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #85 |
98. Do you know "The Progressive Caucus DEFENDS President Obama on his Social Security Stance"? |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 06:29 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. Those corporatists |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 05:16 PM Response to Reply #55 |
100. How do you get lower than 1% administrative costs? |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 08:12 AM Response to Reply #55 |
110. I've seen Obama play this shell game before. |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #48 |
63. The American People are Fuku'ed If There is No Deal |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
56. People here don't support the President...they want to prove he's a failure. |
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VeryConfused (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:42 PM Response to Reply #56 |
82. Yes, better to be right than do right |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
59. The problem is that many of us believe the mediocre about Obama. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. What did he do that was mediocre? Whatever. n/t |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Indeed whatever. nt |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:12 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. What does that even MEAN? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:14 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. I can assure you this is all SOP in US politics. Nothing exceptional about it. |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 05:31 PM Response to Reply #66 |
101. I have never seen any public figure being so fervently defended for being so ineffectual. |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
65. The tendency of many partisans to live with abandonment of working people |
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VeryConfused (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #65 |
87. The anti labor Supreme Court was the result of ideologs abandoning workers |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
80. "...led by those who choose to always believe the worse " |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
94. LOLOLOL |
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VeryConfused (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 11:17 AM Response to Reply #94 |
114. Too bad replies can't be unrecced |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
99. "Strengthen" Social Security? Is that like the Repuke "Clear Skies" act? |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 08:01 AM Response to Reply #99 |
108. +1. If he's NOT going to cut it, why doesn't he say it every chance he gets? |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
103. + 1,000,000,000 K&R. n/t |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
104. Kick |
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Palmer Eldritch (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
105. They want a reason for how they feel about him. It's really shameless. |
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Hand_With_Eyes (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #105 |
115. The past is prologue |
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LetTimmySmoke (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
106. The lack of trust in Obama is well-earned. |
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mochajava666 (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 09:50 PM Response to Reply #106 |
122. +1 |
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Palmer Eldritch (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #106 |
129. Did you ever really give him your trust? |
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graywarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
111. Highly recommended |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 10:11 AM Response to Reply #111 |
113. Thanks |
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Jim Lane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
116. We just can't know if this was a phony rumor or a White House trial balloon. |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
119. Wndy, there is ALWAYS a thread (or 20) on the greatest page bashing Obama on this web site |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
121. Yeah, maybe now he understands the consequences of undermining the trust of one's supporters. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 11:37 AM Response to Reply #121 |
125. Liberal dems approve of him around 80 - 90% on avg |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 03:49 PM Response to Reply #125 |
130. I love it, especially because it upsets the petulant 10-20% |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
124. I'm starting to think they're not progressives |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
126. Bwah! |
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