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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-11 10:55 PM Original message |
Can anyone explain why Nixon won in 1972 despite alienating conservatives? |
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WheelWalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-11 11:01 PM Response to Original message |
1. Shift happens. |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-11 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
2. Nixon was the most progressive president since Truman! |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-11 11:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. jeez, I feel like I'm reading the NYT |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-11 11:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. interesting, I didn't wanna straight up argue that Nixon=liberal |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-11 11:50 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. A war he inherited and brought an end to n/t |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-11 11:53 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. I know that the war officially ended in 1975 under Ford |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 12:04 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. You don't recall Kissinger & Duc Tho meeting in Paris? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 01:47 AM Response to Reply #14 |
31. "Paris Peace Talks" |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #31 |
59. +1000 |
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expatriate2mex (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
64. The troops were pulled out in 1973 and it all but ended for us, but the official ending was |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 08:17 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. welcome to the site! |
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expatriate2mex (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-08-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Thank you my friend. nt |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 08:14 PM Response to Reply #14 |
65. Vietnamization? |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 08:27 AM Response to Reply #11 |
50. well, not before expanding it greatly.... |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 08:27 AM Response to Reply #11 |
51. . |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-11 11:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. The progressive carpet bomber! |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-11 11:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Stop talking about Obama |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 10:01 PM Response to Reply #9 |
67. All places hit by un-manned munitions under GHWB, Clinton, and then Shrub. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 01:31 AM Response to Reply #2 |
27. Yeah - too bad he was a paranoid criminal. nt |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 01:59 AM Response to Reply #27 |
34. That too....but still the most progressive accomplishments n/t |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 02:00 AM Response to Reply #2 |
36. Nixon signed lots of bills passed by the liberal congress... |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #36 |
61. You should read post #31 before commenting n/t |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #36 |
73. a nose for what was and wasn't politically achievable |
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blueclown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #2 |
54. Nixon - most progressive since Truman? |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 03:37 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. LBJ has a lot of accomplishments also but |
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blueclown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 04:24 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. I consider quality over quantity. |
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AnnieBW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-11 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
3. People were afraid of the violence on the left? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-11 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
5. Because he was running against George McGovern. |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-11 11:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Bingo n/t |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-11 11:56 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. hmm, would you not describe the 2012 GOP field as "crowded and discombobulated"? |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 12:05 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Yes, GOP 2012 field will be a humdinger food fight n/t |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 12:07 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Sure, but they aren't the incumbents. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 01:55 AM Response to Reply #5 |
33. The '72 Democratic Primaries.... |
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vroomvroom (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-11 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
7. Nixon would be Considered LEFT of Obama, no question about it. |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-11 11:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Without a doubt. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 12:18 AM Response to Reply #7 |
21. No he wouldn't. There was that pesky matter of WATERGATE everyone is ignoring...? |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 12:27 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. The crimes that you listed were not ideological. Someone from anywhere on the political spectrum can |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 01:20 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Ya know, I think wiping your ass on the Constitution is fairly "ideological." |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 01:59 AM Response to Reply #26 |
35. The Constitution Was Working Just Fine |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 02:17 AM Response to Reply #35 |
40. He wiped his ass on it from before Watergate until he left office. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 03:08 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Well, you see, that's the plan.... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 03:25 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Nyuck, nyuck--say it ain't so, Moe! Woo woo! nt |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 01:54 AM Response to Reply #21 |
32. No one caught Nixon doing that until well into his second term. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 02:37 AM Response to Reply #32 |
42. I've noticed that people who call themselves conservatives have no problem |
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Axrendale (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 05:15 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. You are right about one thing... |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-06-11 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
12. He was running against George McGovern, that's why |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 12:07 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. well how strong was conservatism back in the '70s compared to now? |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 01:34 AM Response to Reply #19 |
28. Conservatism was clearly there and it was strong |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 02:00 AM Response to Reply #28 |
37. well at least Goldwater was reasonable |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 03:11 AM Response to Reply #37 |
44. "Goldwater knew crazy when he saw it" |
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Tennessee Gal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 06:51 PM Response to Reply #12 |
76. Exactly right. McGovern never had a shot. |
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PoliticAverse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 12:16 AM Response to Original message |
20. Nixon had firmly captured the center and ran against McGovern who was to Nixon's left. n/t |
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susanr516 (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
22. I was a teenager then |
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BlueCaliDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 12:31 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Although I truly like Obama |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 02:33 AM Response to Reply #24 |
41. The Democratic Party is not mostly to the right of Obama. |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 12:39 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. right now the Democrats are similarly broken, the opposition Republicans not. |
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susanr516 (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
56. I would argue the Rs are more broken than the Ds |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 02:04 AM Response to Reply #22 |
38. There's a third party GOP victory scenario in all of this |
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susanr516 (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #38 |
57. That could be true |
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housewolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 01:38 AM Response to Original message |
29. He wasn't a conservative, he was a liberal Republican |
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Awsi Dooger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 01:40 AM Response to Original message |
30. An incumbent whose party has been in power only 1 term virtually never loses |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 02:06 AM Response to Reply #30 |
39. yeah, and.. 'the taller one usually wins' or 'the one with more syllables in his name' usually wins |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 05:25 AM Response to Original message |
47. at that particular point in time conservatism was not so ideologically defined |
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Axrendale (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 05:32 AM Response to Original message |
48. In order to properly address the OP, one is required to answer two questions, |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 07:05 AM Response to Original message |
49. 1972 was my first vote... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 08:35 AM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Did you happen to get a photo of Nixon in your scout uniform? |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 02:58 AM Response to Reply #53 |
70. no...i got his autograph... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
52. Neither the far left nor the far right were taken seriously by a majority of voters back then |
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Jack Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
55. Nixon did not alienate conservatives |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
58. Drugs and crime |
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Hart2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
63. Remember they shot George Wallace, ending his candidacy. NT |
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randr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-07-11 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
66. Birth of the Southern Strategy |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 03:26 AM Response to Original message |
71. Because George McGovern was scary, seriously, |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 04:23 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Remember how quickly the Prairie Populist became the candidate of Amnesty, Acid and Abortion? |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
74. Because the conservative elements of the Democratic Party abandoned McGovern |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 06:22 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. that is absolutely true |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-10-11 07:38 AM Response to Original message |
77. McGovern was unelectable. The landslide for Nixon was predictable. |
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