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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:12 AM
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Welcome: President Perry
Make no mistake about it. He will be their nominee. He is a liar and a cheat so he is the perfect candidate. He has endless pits of money with big oil interest securely in his coffers. He will use these funds to run ads 24/7 with skewed facts and partial truths. Believe me, I watched him do it last year in Texas to beat Bill White. Underestimating him will undo us. I and the rest of Democrats in Texas did the same thing when Baby Bush ran against Ann Richards. We did not take BB seriously and that was the undoing of Texas and our nation. Carl Rove's propaganda machine got its first use here (Texas)and it worked fabulously. Think it won't work on the nation as a whole, just in Texas where we are all right wing fools? Believe me there use to be plenty of moderates and liberals here. The propaganda did what it was meant to do. It destroyed free and critical thinking. With Fox news in their corner, much of the work of 24/7 paid ads is not necessary. Perry will cite Texas job growth. Having no rules or regulations for workers is good for the economy, just look at us. Break up public education. It's a breeding ground for free thought, i.e.: creates liberals. Let those poor, sick children fend for themselves. That is what they get for not being born to hard working Republicans. Think the Bush judicial appointees are too conservative and put businesses ahead of people. Elect me and I will pack the court forever. Think women should have the right to choose what to do with their own bodies? Just make those second class citizens have a sonogram and then they will want to have those babies and take care of them forever, no matter what their personal circumstances. Don't worry, the state will never be coerced into helping with those kids. And on and on and on.
Hold Obama's feet to the fire on the changes he promised us, but do not abandon him. He is our one and only hope. If we don't support him with money and hard work, we can look forward to a right wing hell on earth like the state, Texas, I used to love and be so proud of has become.
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Stargleamer Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:15 AM
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1. I have no idea why you say he'll get their nod over Romney
Unless you think Republicans are enthralled with dumb Texans (which might be the case). I nonetheless think Romney's millions can overcome any such fascination.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:17 AM
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Religion. They will not chose a Mormon.
You have no idea of the money big oil can now legally send his way.
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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:27 AM
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4. Romney is not a person....


...he is from another planet.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:28 AM
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5. Well that might make a difference. But with Repukes, one
never knows.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 11:56 PM
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33. Actually, I understand it is his own planet. N/T
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:32 AM
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8. Romney's religion will hinder his chances in the GOP primary.
There is no way that the social conservatives (who have way too much influence over the GOP) will rally behind a Mormon like Romney during the primaries, especially if they have a "good Christian" like Perry that they can support. Just think of Perry's recent Prayer Rally (for Christians only, of course). Perry is wearing his religion on his sleeve for a reason.

Also, I think Romney's recent "corporations are people" remark will make a convenient sound byte for anyone who is running against him. I can see Perry trying to capitalize on that.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:36 AM
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10. I firmly believe that they will use the idea that Romney is
too liberal(health care, etc.) as an excuse to not vote for him but it will be his religion.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 01:38 AM
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34. right...but the party leadership also know Perry's too right wing
to win a general. Will the general public vote for a secessionist as President? He's done
too many scary things. The PTB really don't have the perfect candidate (pro-business, slightly socially liberal)...Rudy's probably the closest and he's not running, yet.
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 10:41 AM
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45. That same thing was said about Reagan in 1979.
The conventional wisdom that was repeated by all the TV talking heads and columnists about Reagan was, "To conservative to be nominated, and if nominated too conservative to win." We all know how that turned out.
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 10:38 AM
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44. Guns.
Romney is weak on supporting pro-gun issues. He supported the AWB. Perry has a CCW and carries a Ruger LCP. Perry will have the backing of the NRA, SAF, GOA and other gun-rights organizations.
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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:17 AM
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2. way way too early
they're going to tear him up and anyone in the lead.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:20 AM
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3. Exactly what I am talking about. He will be dismissed by
by those with brains and not taken seriously. If I had any extra cash, I would bet you. Maybe a donation next year to the Obama campaign.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 11:23 AM
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15. of course hie is why we didn't have president
georgee w bush.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 11:53 AM
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20. Exactly. Bush was not taken seriously by the Tx or US Dems.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 11:15 AM
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13. I am going to continue to post warning about this person.
Democrats are wrong not to take him seriously.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:30 AM
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6. Tea Baggers won't ever nominate a Bilderburger
New World Order, ya know.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:31 AM
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7. What is a Bilderburger?
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:33 AM
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9. Okay, looked it up. Is Romney one?
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 11:46 PM
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32. No, he was never a member
However, the Shadow Government would probably like him. He stands for nothing and would easily bow to them and do their bidding. They seem to love neo-cons.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 11:47 AM
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18. That's a secret. They won't find out.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 11:54 AM
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21. Than how can they not vote for one if they don't know who
one is? Head spinning.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 12:02 PM
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26. They rely on rumors.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 11:44 PM
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31. It's not a rumor
He attended the Bilderburg Group in 2007 and admits it. They hand pick who they want to run, want to take over the world, and reduce human population to 500 million. They are evil, wicked people who should be in jail.
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:43 AM
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11. Gay rumors will not go away
I have heard that there may be more coming out on this.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:53 AM
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12. Been around for a long time. I have people here who say
there is a person with pictures but this rumor has have around for years and no one has ever come forward. With the opportunity for loads of cash, I cannot see why the partner hasn't made the light of day. The right wing will dismiss this idea. Not possible. He is such a good father, husband and Christian, etc.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 11:15 AM
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14. Bush's desertion rumors didn't go away either -
didn't stop him.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 11:55 AM
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22. And there was a lot more evidence to back that up.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 11:25 AM
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16. NO ONE!! is going to beat Obama in 2012
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 11:57 AM
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23. That same thing was said here before bush took over.
I hope you are right but we will need to work hard to make it happen and not take it for granted.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 01:40 AM
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35. you go, big darryl !! +1
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 11:41 AM
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17. Thank You, efhmc. Very Well Said.

I wonder how many of you Perry scoffers are among those DU'ers who once made jokes about the Tea Party back in 2008, dismissing it as a right-wing fringe group that would soon disappear without any effect? There were lots and lots of DU threads devoted to laughing about the Tea Party, back then---and look who's laughing now. We ignore Perry at our peril, and if he gains the presidency, we will have gotten exactly what we deserve....
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 12:01 PM
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25. I have been thinking about posting this thread for a few
weeks and as it has come time to announce his candidacy, I had to post. I want people to look at the slick, soulless person seriously. He has done serious damage to Texas and will do the same to the US. We scoff at our own peril.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 09:14 AM
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42. Titles like this one will get you all unrecommendations though.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 11:48 AM
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19. Don't You Think You Should Wait To See How The Economy Is Doing Next Spring?
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 12:03 PM
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27. No, a better economy will help, but forewarned is forearmed.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 12:04 PM
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28. Well
If unemployment was say, six percent, we wouldn't be having this discussion, not that a six percent unemployment rate is even remotely plausible.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 12:14 PM
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30. Right. Texas unemployment rate was 8.2% in June.
You don't think he will use those figures?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 09:45 AM
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43. A Whopping .9% Difference
And if you think we would even be having this conversation if unemployment was 6% there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 12:01 PM
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24. All true but US is not just Texas, and that he is a governor from Texas
on the heels of Bush's presidency, will set him back. Bush is still unpopular and blamed for the economy. It will rub off on Perry, especially since he will be asked about Bush a lot, something that is probably not that much of a factor in Texas. Would have worked if there was nostalgia for Bush in the country -- but there isn't one among the majority.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 12:10 PM
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29. Perry started months ago, if not bashing, certainly
distancing himself from Bush. You do not understand how much money this man already has just as a candidate for the repub nominee. Rupert Murdock, Target, WalMart, etc have shown us what endless amounts of cash and well constructed propaganda can do, add that to the bias that still exist against blacks, a still slow economic recovery and we have a recipe for disaster if we are not vigilant. It does not matter to the person who is trying to make a living who is responsible for his/her condition, he/she just wants it to change.
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muffin1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 08:35 AM
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40. Uh-huh
Vacations? Sending his family to South Africa to party?

Thanks for your concern.

:rofl:
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 03:43 AM
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37. Perry will be the next Republican Fred Thompson
All hype and gone by the beginning of April - if he lasts that long
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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 04:13 AM
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38. I'm from TX: Perry is "W," on steroids.
The Nation cannot recover from a Perry presidency at this point in time. Mock this dangerous man at your extreme peril. You've been warned.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 08:28 AM
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39. Perry is a joke. Outside Texas and the South, people wail with
derisive laughter at the mere sight of him, if he speaks, there is pandemonium. He will not be their nominee, and if he is, that is fantastic news, because he does not play well off his home court at all, not at all.
Lots of Texas people like to pretend he's like GW Bush, but W was affecting the whole Texas thing. Outside his home zone, he does not remind us of Bush so much as Ricky Bobby.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 08:42 AM
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41. Another GOP moron, from TX no less...
(carrying all of that bush baggage), has about as much chance of being president as I do.

His idiotic talk about secession alone should torpedo any chance this clod has of becoming president. Nothing like some fool running for national office being constantly reminded of his remarks concerning TX leaving the US...:rofl:

This goomer may win the nomination...but he'll go down in flames.
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