Perry is a dream candidate.... for Obama

It allows the Obama team to run against Bush... and if there's one thing the Obama team is VERY good at, it is running against the Bush legacy.


I'd much rather face Perry than Romney.

Rick and Jackboot Rick. That should be a big turnoff for all thinking Americans. Couple that with his regressive ideas and most likley Ricky is a loser.

which will make him a formidable opponent as the economy deteriorates around the spending cuts

By no means should DEMs take his candidacy with a grain of salt

DEMs need to reframe it as "Perry's Less then Minimum Wage Jobs Program"

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do you think corporation will not contribute to

He will be in the running

It's foolish to underestimate him. I still think Romney is a tougher general election opponent.

would also help.

is going to hold him to account for that, or the average Joe is going to pick up on it?

We just had an election less than a year ago where 95% of the dimwit Rs took stimulis money and screamed about how big of a disaster it was, and they pretty much all won ...

Sorry, it is simple to us, but to 95% of the county those dots are too much to expect them to connect.

But they are trying

I would love to believe that, but as a Texan I will caution you not to underestimate Perry and his campaign prowess.

I agree that bush can be brought into the national discussion and Perry can be tarred with him. He and bushie don't get along though so Perry has a plan for "distancing" himself from bushie.

I'm most concerned about how shallow the national media is and how they will give Perry as many or more passes than they did bush. They'll gloss over his pathetic performance as a governor and let him lie about his record. You just wait and see.

And finally I'm not that convinced that the American electorate can be trusted not to be fooled again. They voted for bush twice, remember?

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with Perry will disappear soon. They may continue to gush over him, but not obsessively as they do now. They did the same with Thompson back when, tyhe great white hope. And I am not saying that Perry = Thompson, I agree Perry is much more dangerous. For many reasons, incuding the shallowest one, this Marlboro man image that will surely have many people of both sexes swoon, irrespective of their sexual orientation. Superficailly, he conveys "strength" and tat appeals to many, especially now. We shall see... I find him worrisome, but a bit less so now than a few days ago, I read and found out some more information about him in the meantime.

and I think I'd rather have Romney as their candidate. he can interpret it any way he wants, but "corporations are people too" is a killer in today's climate, and the more he talks about it the better. Also, you've probably seen that TV ad from some yeas back when he ran against Teddy Kennedy, it's devastating, it should be run exactly as it is with a "Thank you, Teddy" added at the end. Anyway... I was kind of scared of Perry, but after learning a bit more about him in recent days, and hearing just a couple of minutes of his speech earlier today (isn't he supposed to be a great speaker?), I think he is quite beatable too.

Someone will ask Perry eventually, and he will agree.

Perry enjoys the affection of fiscal cons and fundies alike... in reality he's much more conservative than Shrub.

Romney and Perry are both formidable in different ways ...

Romney will have a little more middle appeal, but Perry will have the FULL and enthusiastic support of the party.

at least I thought so at the time

A likeable, easy-going character and Carter had zero charisma, had been challenged in a primary and seemed like a surly, prickly ass in the layer stages of the campaign (before which it was more or less a dead heat). That he would end up being a strong, major player should have been obvious from the moment he ca e so close to unseating a President via a primary. Wasn't tarred with the Texas brush, either.

Barring catastrophe, Perry will never, ever be as formidable as Reagan.

But he made the same exact case against Obama that Reagan made against Carter, true or not...

..when you're as fringe as Perry, when a majority still blame the previous President and your cohorts retook congress and subsequently reminded people just why they kicked them out, your odds aren't looking as good as the 'The Gipper's' did at his weakest point.

People like to recast Reagan as a fringe weirdo, but frankly, I struggle to think of a more classically mainstream contender since then. His views were problematic, bu Reagan the character had it all going for him.

Let me stipulate that President Obama inherited a mess but the case Rick Perry made against the mess we are in was devastating because it was true, just as the case Ronald Reagan made against Jimmy Carter.

I do question how Perry's Elmer Gantry meets Mr. Smith goes to Washington shtick will play in the swing states but it will play well in the South which has about sixty percent of the 270 Electoral Votes needed to win...

Looking at the shape the country was in it wasn't hard to figure out the president would have a hard time keeping his job.

Everyone agreed he had no chance, even the Republicans were talking about what a crook he was. He had no establishment support, but tone of cash. And the voters voted for him.

If Rick Scott can be elected to high office anybody can. But one can't ignore the fact that he had a Republicant wind at his back in 010 due to the crappy economy.

Meg Whitman, who spent nearly $170 million to lose the CA. governor race by 13%....

Perry is straight out of central casting for the "most-Boosh-like" candidate. He should not be underestimated but I would much rather Obama run against Perry than Mittens.

- it is far from certain how a Perry vs. Obama election would turn out. Of course we don't know if that will be the case in October/November 2012. But it very well could be.

We would all hope that Perry will be seen by the majority of Americans as beyond the pale. But during bad times when people are generally pessimistic about the future - it is not unthinkable that the unthinkable could happen. I would be very careful about what one wishes for. As awful as Mittens might be - I am reasonably confident that he will not blow up the world. I'm not so sure that would be the case under a President Perry. If - God forbid that should happen - I will only pray that his reported religious convictions are only a cynical manipulative scam. Because if they are not a cynical political maneuver and he really does believe that which it ostensibly appears he does believe than the future of the world is truly in grave danger.

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And, sadly the voters as a whole in this country are not ...

Anyone here who does not think Perry will have the VERY, VERY enthusiastic support of most of the republican party simply does not know the enemy. And, the middle - IF the meme that he is a TOUGH job creator is advanced against the meme that BO is the weak job killer ...

How do you think that plays out?

Sorry - GWB had NO reason being elected in the first place. He was moron, someone who failed at everything in life given a silver spoon, and was a disaster waiting to happen. Al Gore was smart, decent and qualified.

How did that deal get framed?

The guy you would like to have a beer with vs the arrogant guy.

Bush, who allowed the worst terrorist attack in our history, who froze up reading to grade schoolers when it happened, who bagged on serving abroad was painted as TOUGH and having KEPT US SAFE! vs an smart, decent man who friggen was actually wounded in battle and awarded by the military was painted as weak and unamerican.

IF people get over themselves and fight for BO, we can get past it, but you just are not paying attention if you think the media is not going to frame this the way the Rs want it framed ...

Perry - TOUGH job CREATOR
BO - weak job KILLER

Being a Texas who has lived for more than ten years with Perry as Governor, I say DON'T underestimate Rick Perry! He's very much like Dubya, his politics are much worse than Dubya's, but unlike Dubya he's more engaged in what he's doing.

Slick Rick is all too good at raising money and all too quick to play dirty.

I'd MUCH rather the opposition candidate was Mitt Romney. Mitt-sie has the problems of being a Northerner and a Mormon, two serious strikes against him in the present-day GOP's "Solid South."

Unfortunately for us Good Guys, Rick Perry will be much better at mobilizing the foam-at-the-mouth right-wing crazies that sat out the 2008 presidential election.

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is that Obama has basically just given us a third Bush term. So that criticism will ring hollow

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