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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 03:13 PM
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Public Policy Polling: Democrats Have a Growing Enthusiasm Problem
A concern, but it's early. Democrats, think of the possible alternatives! President Rick Perry!
August 19, 2011

Democrats Have a Growing Enthusiasm Problem

The latest Public Policy Polling survey shows that Democratic enthusiasm about voting in next year's election has hit a new low.

Just 48% of Democrats in a recent national poll said they were "very excited" about voting in 2012. In 13 previous polls, the average level was 57%. It had been as high as 65% and only twice had the number even dipped below 55%.
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 03:17 PM
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1. Hard to get enthusiastic when you're on defense, and without an opponent to focus on.
I'm surprised it's as high as 48%.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 03:18 PM
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2. Hard times, lots of nastiness, demoralized troops. I am demoralized a little, too--
I am frustrated that we lost the House and all progress seems to have stopped after that.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 03:19 PM
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3. Many don't give a shit!
and I'm starting to think, they never really did.

This is what they are actively working towards, any President that isn't Barack Obama.
They may believe that somehow he will bow out, if they keep dogging him in every which way.
They don't care if the end result is far from their wish, and they end up with a Republican
President, which are better odds, based on their methods.
They don't care about the Supreme court, or the unemployed....as much as being able to gloat
comes November of 2012.

Of course, in December of 2012, when the country start the real suffering,
they'll be pointing their fingers still at one man, cause that's all they
appear to know how to do.

But whatever they are doing, with the help of the Republicans and the Corporate media is working,
the only problem, the end result won't be the one they were hoping for, and there won't be
any do-overs, so we are fucked and they won't ever stand up and be accountable for the fact
that it is voters who determine the future of this nation, and not any one man.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 03:52 PM
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7. I think you are assuming that these people are activists
many of them are living normal lives, only tangentially interested in politics. They are more worried about their jobs than about who is president. If you want them to get excited, you have to help them with what they are concerned about.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 03:55 PM
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9. Who are "they"?
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 03:09 PM
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22. At this point in time I have come
to the conclusion that the WORST possible choice for president is Obama, including Bachmann and Perry.

He is operating directly for the benefit of the Wall Street thieves. They are his primary loyalty.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 03:21 PM
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24. 'When the country start the real suffering'? - the national
unemployment rate right now is 9.1% with the numbers of people unemployed for 26 weeks or longer at their highest levels since the Bureau of Labor Statistics started measuring it.

Things will get much worse under President Romney -- I'm guessing we'll hit unemployment rate of 25% -- but you do a disservice to the millions of Americans who have seen their wealth evaporate and their dreams for the future placed on hold by implying that there has not already been 'real suffering.'
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 03:23 PM
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4. Interesting
<...>

In 13 polls before August the average level of Democrats 'very excited' about voting next year had averaged 57%. It had been as high as 65% and only twice had the number even dipped below 55%.

It had seemed earlier in the year like Democrats had overcome the 'enthusiasm gap' that caused so much of their trouble in last year's elections. But now 54% of Republicans say they're 'very excited' about casting their ballots next year, indicating that the problem may be back.

The debt deal really does appear to have demoralized the base, and the weird thing about it is that this is one issue where if Obama had done what folks on the left wanted him to do, he also would have had the support of independents. The deal has proven to be a complete flop in swing states where we've polled it like Colorado, North Carolina, and Ohio. And in every single one of those states a majority of voters overall, as well as a majority of independents, think new taxes are going to be needed to solve the deficit problem.

<...>

The debt deal certainly had an impact, but it's interesting about the 13 previous polls. None received much if any attention, especially since 65 percent is high.



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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 04:07 PM
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11. i could be wrong, but I think the 65% was after Obama went after Ryan for attacking Medicare
Edited on Fri Aug-19-11 04:10 PM by jsamuel
Notice that our low right now coincides with people being concerned that Democrats might agree to cutting Social Security and Medicare through the Super Congress. Also, the economy/jobs is a big big deal right now.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 03:50 PM
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5. debt stuff + economy will hit people hard on enthusiasm
when some Democrats are talking about cutting social security and medicare, what do you expect?
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 03:50 PM
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6. Where was thIS SO-CALLED enthusiasm problem during the recall elections PPP
Edited on Fri Aug-19-11 03:52 PM by bigdarryl
THERE WAS NONE!!!!
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 03:53 PM
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8. um, that was Wisconsin, and the numbers for the Dems did go down a few points following the debt
deal
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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 04:05 PM
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10. Obama still touring economicly ravaged cities touting "free trade:"
At this point it's getting beyond Obama having 2 tin ears on the Economy. I think he's actively trying to lose in 2012.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 03:11 PM
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23. Either he is trying to lose
or he is trying to get more Republicans/Teabaggers elected.
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kelly1mm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 05:18 PM
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12. I know a lot of teachers are no longer enthusiastic about the President
and his administration. They will most likely still vote for him in 2012. However, I predict significantly less volunteer hours for the campaign from teachers.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 06:56 PM
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14. Teachers, union members, senior citizens, graduate students, military pensioners,
the disabled, anti-war voters, the poor, in-deep homeowners, equal marriage supporters, etc., etc., etc.

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TrainToCry Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 05:47 PM
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13. Time to teach Obama another lesson by punishing the whole Country!
Here's to the nonvote!

:sarcasm:
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 02:43 AM
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15. You miss that we get punished no matter what, in this scenario
plus you miss the mark wholeheartedly. Its not about punishment. Obama is the one running. He has to earn peoples votes. That's on him. Can he do things that will bring them to vote? Will he chose to do so?
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TrainToCry Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 12:35 PM
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18. All pain is not equal. To pretend that is the case is ignorant.
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 07:00 AM
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17. Well if we can get more free trade passed fast enough,
maybe we can import some from another country really cheaply.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 01:36 PM
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19. Just vote. Who cares whether you're "excited" enough
Politics is not entertainment.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 02:14 PM
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20. I could get excited if there was a Progressive in the running. nt
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 03:06 PM
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21. Well I wonder why that is.
The objective is to destroy our enthusiasm just like they did in 2010. I'll tell you what, I have ZERO enthusiasm for Obama. ZERO!
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 05:14 PM
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25. To be quite honest, we are not the problem
Those of us on this forum or any other forum are not the problem, we are the ones who stay interested in politics, because if we weren't we wouldn't be posting here.

It's those people who don't follow politics closely that will be the problem for Obama. In 2008 almost all of Obama's supporters went out and preached that Obama was going to change DC. He was the ONE. He will redefine how DC is run. He is a man of the people. He will end the wars. These things were said over and over and over again on progressive boards all across the Internet. His supporters were so convincing that he was given the Nobel Peace Prize.

As it turns out, he pretty much continued on Bush's path. Same war plans. Same economic strategy. Same deals behind the scenes. Same revolving door for lobbyists. Same tax breaks for the rich.

For the bottom 50% of this country, nothing has changed. Well, that's not quite accurate. Food prices have gone up, as well as gas and utility prices. There may be a few more jobs, but if you don't know someone, or have been out of work for a while, not only will you not get the job, you won't even get an interview. Whether you are paying attention or not, every one knows that jobs have been outsourced because of a trade agreement. Every person has talked to a foreign customer service rep, who you know damn well is not named Glen, and is not located in America.

When people feel helpless, they look to the strongest person in the room. People now know that is not Obama. So, unless he pulls out some sort of economic miracle between now and the election, he's toast. People will be looking for someone that looks and sounds strong. It will not matter what the person says, or even what the person has done before. When people are desperate, the person who looks and sounds like the alpha dog, will win.

zalinda
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