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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 09:56 AM
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NYT: Interactive Chart Comparing the House and Senate Health Care Proposals
Published: November 19, 2009

Comparing the House and the Senate Health Care Proposals

Senate Democrats unveiled sweeping legislation Wednesday to overhaul the nation’s health care system. Earlier this month the House passed its own version. The proposals are broadly similar but differ on some major issues, such as on a new government insurance plan, abortion and immigration. Many provisions of the Senate bill, including the mandate for individuals to obtain insurance and the creation of insurance markets, would take effect in 2014, a year later than similar provisions of the House bill. A look at how the proposals compare on some key issues:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/11/19/us/politics/1119-plan-comparison.html?hp
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 10:04 AM
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1. Groovy! Thank you! NT
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 10:06 AM
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2. I think I just figured out why the CBO score for the Senate plan is so good:
It puts the entire burden of setting up a public option onto the states. Combine that with the opt-out, and they've essentially killed the public option.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 10:12 AM
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3. Looks like the Senate version on abortion is the same as Hyde Amendment
as it currently applies to managed care. States can opt to subsidize abortion coverage if they want.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 10:28 AM
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6. Regualtions are much weaker in the Senate version.
and Neither in this summary address cost controls. Antitrust being the real factor. Also no mention of the 85% minimum for premiums to cover actual costs.

Without the controls in the house version (and even with those controls) there's little preventing the insurers and healthcare providers from getting together and determining what the "actual costs" of care are. For example: What the insurers define as costs includes the profit margins for the providers, equipment suppliers (and their margins), and drugs admistered during treatment (and their margins). So the insurance profits may or may not be limited to 15% (this isn't addressed in this chart), but that 15% is after everyone else gets paid and takes their profits.

Profits at the end are controlled, but the costs don't seem to be. As we learned from the oil companies, they've made the arguement that their margins are the same - no matter what the costs are. But we also saw them make record gross profits when gas was at 4 bucks a gallon, simply because 2% of for bucks is twice as much in dollar amount to 2% of two bucks.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 10:19 AM
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4. Fines and mandates and still millions with no coverage
Not universal, which was the point of mandates. But still mandated. The opposite of candidate Obama's declared positions, in fact it is exactly the position of Clinton, a position Obama held up for ridicule. A position his supporters did ridicule. Now they are all in favor of it, because universal means mandated. Except that universal does not leave out millions of our neighbors.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 10:35 AM
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7. Wonder how much is saved by Senate allowing insurance companies to charge 3X more for older people
Edited on Thu Nov-19-09 10:36 AM by flpoljunkie
(Senate plan also saves money by not starting up the health insurance exchanges until 2014, providing less generous basic plan benefits (60% vs. House's 70%) and no subsidies for those above 300% of the federal poverty level (altho their premiums and out-of-pocket expenses are capped. There is also apparently no drug price negotiations in Medicare).

Prohibit insurers from denying coverage or charging higher premiums because of a person’s medical history or health condition.

House version

Premiums for older people cannot be more than double the premium for young adults.

The legislation would strip health insurance companies of their antitrust exemption. It would outlaw price fixing, bid rigging and “market allocations” by companies that sell health insurance or medical malpractice insurance.

Senate version

Premiums for older people cannot be more than triple the premium for young adults.

The legislation would not strip health insurance companies of their longstanding exemption from federal antitrust laws.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/11/19/us/politics/1119-plan-comparison.html?hp#tab=8
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 10:28 AM
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5. Thanks.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 11:34 AM
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8. Premiums in HIE would be capped at 9.8% of income, rather than the House's 12% cap.
The Journal reports that the Senate approach "comes down mostly on the liberal side on the question of a new government-run health-insurance plan...," though under the Senate's public option, states could opt not to participate. "As in the House, the Senate plan would have the public plan negotiate payment rates directly with health-care providers, rather than tying payments to Medicare's low rates." In addition, "to ease the financial burden on workers," the bill would cap "premiums at 9.8 percent of income, down from 12 percent" (Hitt and Adamy, 11/19).

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Daily-Reports/2009/November/19/Senate-Health-Bill-Overview.aspx
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 11:43 AM
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9. More from Ezra Klein on subsidies for the various plans on the HIE...
(I also have not figured out what subsidies, if any, apply to those in the 300-400% of poverty-altho their premiums are capped at 9.8% of their modified AGI and there is a cap on out-of-pocket expenses. Information out today is conflicting.)

In the Senate plan, subsidies kick in to ensure that people between 100 percent and 150 percent of the poverty line get coverage equivalent to platinum plans, and people between 150 percent and 200 percent get the equivalent of gold. Folks up to 300 percent of poverty (and potentially 400 percent, though I haven't totally figured it out) get coverage equivalent to the silver. So the bronze plans, which will have quite a lot of cost-sharing, are only really going to be available to folks with some money behind them.

By Ezra Klein | November 19, 2009; 11:15 AM ET

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/11/defining_health_benefits.html
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