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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 01:17 PM
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POLLS: Perry Zooms to Front of Pack for 2012 GOP Nomination (+12 over Romney in Gallup, +13 in PPP)
Edited on Wed Aug-24-11 01:22 PM by jefferson_dem
Bwahahaha... working just as planned.

Perry Zooms to Front of Pack for 2012 GOP Nomination
Leads Romney by 29% to 17%
by Jeffrey M. Jones

PRINCETON, NJ -- Shortly after announcing his official candidacy, Texas Gov. Rick Perry has emerged as rank-and-file Republicans' current favorite for their party's 2012 presidential nomination. Twenty-nine percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents nationwide say they are most likely to support Perry, with Mitt Romney next, at 17%.



These results are based on an Aug. 17-21 Gallup poll, the first conducted after several important events in the Republican nomination campaign, including the second candidate debate, the Iowa Straw Poll, and Perry's official entry into the race after months of speculation.

Romney and Perry essentially tied for the lead in late July, based on re-computed preferences that include the current field of announced candidates. Gallup's official July report, based on the announced field at the time and thus excluding Perry, showed Romney with a 27% to 18% lead over Michele Bachmann. Romney enjoyed an even wider, 17-point lead in June over Herman Cain among the field of announced candidates (Gallup did not include Perry among the nominee choices before July).

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http://www.gallup.com/poll/149180/Perry-Zooms-Front-Pack-2012-GOP-Nomination.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=syndication&utm_content=plaintextlink&utm_term=Politics


Perry leads nationally

In PPP's first national poll since Rick Perry's official entry into the Presidential race he's jumped out to a double digit advantage. Perry's at 33% to 20% for Mitt Romney, 16% for Michele Bachmann, 8% for Newt Gingrich, 6% for Herman Cain and Ron Paul, 4% for Rick Santorum, and 3% for Jon Huntsman.

Conservative voters have been looking for a candidate that they can rally around and Perry's filling that role. Romney continues to lead with the small portion of voters describing themselves as moderates at 27% t0 20% for Bachmann and 15% for Perry. But Perry gets stronger and stronger as you move across the ideological spectrum. With 'somewhat conservative' voters Perry leads by 15 points with 38% to Romney's 23% and Bachmann's 11%. And with 'very conservative' voters the advantage expands to 22 points with him at 40% to 18% for Bachmann and 14% for Romney.

Perry was at only 12% five weeks ago, so he's climbed 21 points since entering the race. The biggest losers with his entry have been Bachmann and Cain, who've each lost 5 points of support, and Paul, who's lost 3 points of support. Romney and Huntsman are both unchanged from a month ago while Gingrich has actually gained a point of support.

There's some thought that this may eventually come down to a 2 or 3 person race and Perry would be favored in both of those instances as well. In a 3 way Perry would get 41% to 29% for Romney and 19% for Bachmann. There was some thought that Perry's entry would actually help Romney because it would lead to a split in the conservative vote between Perry and Bachmann but Perry is now winning those voters by such a wide margin that it doesn't even matter.

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http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/08/perry-leads-nationally.html
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 01:20 PM
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1. You know the rank and file GOP goober
isn't too happy with the selection of candidates available at the current time. Whenever a new one comes in they shoot to the top of the list. Then they start to figure out all the idiocy that tags along with the new one and support sags.

Just wait until the average moran figures out that Perry advocated a relatively "liberal" policy toward illegal immigrants... they'll be lining up to apply the tar and feathers.
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Bok_Tukalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 01:52 PM
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12. I think the only one that shot to the top whenever he entered the race was Romney
He has pretty much led from the beginning and everyone else has vied to be the Not-Romney candidate who takes him on after the big four (NH, IA, SC, and NV). This is a significant development. It remains to be seen, but it looks to me like Perry may accomplish what Pawlenty failed.

As far as the immigration thing, have you ever seen that youtube clip "Honey Badger Don't Care"?

That's Perry. Perry don't care. He will bluster and smile and move on and the Not-Romney supporters will love him.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 02:20 PM
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16. Yep - I have been calling this for month ...
only it happened a lot quicker than I said it would.

I said Perry would suck the life out of Bachmann with the lunatic fringe, and pull in a good chunk of those folks who were holding their noses in Romney's corner.

He really is the best fit for the republican party in the here and now.

He is governor, and they like that in a candidate A LOT all the time. Bachmann was a placeholder for the fringe elements until someone like Perry got in.

And, this party is flat out mean, and just is flat out bold about not giving a crape about facts, reason or reality.

Perry is that.

Physically imposing, again, something they like.

The Beltway media is trying to hold him back, but he is too in line with the republican party in 2011.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 03:05 PM
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21. Boy, you pretty much covered the whole thing there.
He's a better fit for them than any of the others, that's for sure.

It doesn't even matter what a bohunk dullard of an opportunist he is; they actually go for that kind of thing. This may very well be a truly cringeworthy fourteen months we have ahead of us.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 03:30 PM
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26. It's going to be a freakshow ...
and it IS going to be closer than we might want it to be ...

Only way BO gets past it is if our team gets it's head right. People want to do the pouty, "principled" thing, they are going to see this clown be president.

I still remember 99, and just being completely clueless as to how people took W seriously. Just dumbfounded. And, not having been real politically attuned to that point, just at a loss how the media propped the moron up while putting a consistently negative frame to Al Gore.

AND, things have changed for the worse in ALL of these ways since. Rs are meaner, more bold, the media more in their pockets ...
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 01:20 PM
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2. Great! He will make Obama look like the most sane, most intelligent,
most competent president ever. He's got sleeze dripping out of him.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 01:28 PM
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4. Just as Bush's sleeze, inarticulacy, and incompetence made Gore unbeatable?
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 01:35 PM
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6. Good point. Nothing fools American voters except stupidity
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 01:35 PM
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7. haha...even many stupid people won't make the same mistake more than
than once. DimSon was stupid but not mean. But Perry is mean
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 03:12 PM
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22. deeeepressing
Just as Reagan's aw-shucks folksiness whipped Carter's sincerity and intelligence.

This SHOULD be obvious, but it's amazing how many of the still-enthralled can see no flaws in our President at all. It's always dangerous to be perceived of as intelligent in our politics, and it always has been, so Obama has a big handicap right out of the blocks.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 03:12 PM
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23. As we know Gore actually was unbeatable. But what we didn't figure on was that
after he won they would steal it from him.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 01:22 PM
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3. Rove's probably have a shit-fit as we speak..unless he really
Edited on Wed Aug-24-11 01:30 PM by Laura PourMeADrink
is hoping Obama wins, fixes the economy, in time for Jeb and Christie in 2016
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 01:29 PM
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5. Obama will blow Perry out of the water if he wins the nomination
Won't even be close IMO. Obama should want Perry or Bachmann to win the nom.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 02:24 PM
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17. No, he won't ...
The media is panning him now, but if he is the candidate, he will get the republican treatment of ignoring his stupid A stuff and puffing up whatever talking point about him that right is pushing.

He and Romney are equally imposing in different ways.

Romney would not have the crazed, enthusiastic support of the party, but would have independent appeal and has the REPUUATION of being good on the economy.

Perry won't have as much middle appeal, but he is a MUCH better fit for the party, and will have a lot more "enthusiasm" and energy behind him.

And, again, the media will chip at the D and carry water for the R.

IMO, BO still SHOULD win, but the margin won't be as great. He won't get some states, like Indiana, that he got the first go around.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 03:20 PM
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25. I'd Rather Run Against Perry But If The Economy Still Sucks
I'd rather run against Perry but if the economy still sucks I won't be confident against any opponent.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 01:37 PM
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8. Woah! Huntsman really is the Shrinking Candidate in that field!
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 01:41 PM
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10. Yet, He Still Gets More Media Coverage Than Ron Paul
who is running 3rd ahead of Bachmann.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 01:39 PM
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9. The Next Republican Debate Will Be A Doooozy
Bachmann and Romney will have to start tearing into Perry if they want to win. With the amount of money needed to wage a campaign, it will be over very early.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 03:14 PM
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24. I agree. Romney especially. When is Perry's first debate? Anybody know? N/T
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 01:48 PM
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11. I ALMOST feel sorry for Romney
The list of his faults is long, but he is not crazy nor stupid. And I sincerely wish him (Romney) all the best and hopes he wins the nomination. And if he does, I hope and pray that he loses, but much as I wish it were otherwise, Obama's re-election is not certain, and Romney (and even more so Huntsman, but he does not count) is the only one that will not give me horrible nightmares each and every night. He would be bad, that's for sure, but bad and scary are not the same thing.
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Fantastic Anarchist Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 02:04 PM
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13. Romney believes corporations are people ...
If you think Bush was supply-side, I'm sure Romney would be even worse.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 02:07 PM
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14. I did not say I like him
I just said I find him significanly less scary than his competition.
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Fantastic Anarchist Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 02:16 PM
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15. I understand ...
... but he's still pretty bad.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 04:33 PM
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27. Yeah
I get what you are saying - I also think he is the most "competent" of the lot.

If I had to pick the weapon to put me out of my misery, it would be him.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 02:29 PM
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18. Just makes you want to go..huh? Perry has some pretty deep skeletons
Edited on Wed Aug-24-11 02:30 PM by Peacetrain
in those closets.. he is no fair haired clean living Reagan character.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 02:43 PM
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19. Awesome
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 02:46 PM
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20. We have become a dreadfully predictable people
It's been one long horror show of slow-motion inevitability since 1980.

In a way, he's almost the perfect candidate in an anti-intellectual country like this.

This is depressing: unlike most of the others, I truly feel that he can win.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 09:07 PM
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28. This is great news. Perry will not be a serious threat in the Presidential election.
He is too flaky and doesn't believe in global warming.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 06:45 AM
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31. Which, sadly won't matter ...
It will all get boiled down to whatever framing the right wants it to be ...

A guy you would like to have a beer with ...

Some nonsense like that ...
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-11 09:32 PM
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29. Will the GOP grownups accept this guy?
I don't think so unless they've already decided to concede 2012. That doesn't help us though - the American people are so confused they might get all bent out of shape and do something totally irrational like elect this ass clown president.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 05:56 AM
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30. No shock there, he tops my personal "cringe-o-meter" poll of GOP candidates.
I've come to the conclusion that my taste in potential presidents is exactly the opposite of nearly everyone in the GOP and sadly, often the majority of Americans. Therefore, in most cases, 2008 was an exception, the candidate who makes my skin crawl is the candidate who will most likely win at least the Republican nomination barring the release of pictures of that person doing unspeakable things with farm animals.

This round I find myself almost liking Jon Huntsman--which should pretty much doom the guy's candidacy. I actually agree with Ron Paul on a couple of issues and if the challenges facing the nation were limited to foreign policy and legalization of marijuana could be tempted to vote for the guy--they aren't so I'll step away from the bong. I find Mitt Romney frankly pathetic but he doesn't make me cringe. Herman Cain's this year's version of the crazy black guy who gets to say stuff too nutty for the rest. Michelle Bachman's pretty high on the cringe-o-meter but she doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting the support of the powers that be. Perry makes my skin crawl AND has street cred as a long term governor plus backing from Texas oil money. Yeah the Wall Street crowd's not in love with him but now I'm not sure that's going to last.

Can this guy beat Obama? I don't know but the last candidate who had this strong a reaction on the cringe-o-meter was George W. Bush and he won two terms against more intelligent, more qualified and frankly better candidates.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 06:47 AM
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32. YEP ...
Obama will be negatively framed, and be it "a guy you would like to have a beer with" or whatever, a mind boggling ridiculous frame will be advanced that makes no sense, but 49 percent of the voters at least will think makes sense.
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 12:59 PM
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33. Please send links concerning Perry's transgressions to
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x754670

Which will help create a resource for further investigation and publicity.

I will add links where appropriate and give you credit.
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 01:13 PM
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34. If he wins get ready for a negative expensive campaign
no holds barred. Perry will get down and dirty unlike none before him. His campaign won't personally do it so it won't go on him, but he will have super pacs to do it for him.

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watercolors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 04:31 PM
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35. He's the flavor of the month, besides we already had 8 yrs
of his type of crap!!!
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 04:59 PM
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36. I don't think this is good news. Perry is dangerous.
Seeing that we were stuck with George W. Bush for eight fucking years, we could easily get stuck with Perry. He's Bush on PCP, and he's got enough charisma and swagger that he could actually win if Obama doesn't figure out how to get his shit together.

Perry's the fucking Antichrist. We should not be mocking him, we should be going all-out to defeat him.
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great white snark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 05:23 PM
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37. BEWARE of Democratic impostors who assure you that Obama can easily beat anyone.
They would like nothing more for you to not GOTV or to stay home election day.

Take nothing for granted.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 05:48 PM
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38. Can't wiat for the "ladies of the evening" to start popping up
"He was too coked up to perform". LOL! I bet that was while he was governor too.
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