Obama Raced Clock, Chaos, Comedy for Climate Deal

Barack Obama crashed a meeting of Brazil, China, India and South Africa in Copenhagen that he wasn't invite to. This is indisputable.

Obama was unaware, however, thinking he was going to meet alone with Wen. After some confusion about who had access to the room, White House aides told the president that Wen was inside with the leaders of the three other countries, apparently working on strategy. Obama walked in and said, "Good," Obama said as he walked through the door. "Mr. Premier, are you ready to see me?" he called out. "Are you ready?" The Administration's version of the story is that he simply showed up for his 7 p.m. meeting with Wen and found the others there and he had no chair to sit in.

Not a man to take no for an answer, Obama used the meeting to strike an agreement on ways to verify developing nations' reductions of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases.

So do we call this the charm offensive?

I like this guy.

Thanks for it. I adore the man myself and I believe he's looking out and this is a perfect example of what I mean. Thanks for the post. It's hard to ignore the loudmouths when threads like this get lost in the constant melee. Good job on the find and posting it for us.

:shrug: There are many, many posters here who are "loud" pro-Obama supporters (as there should be on a Democratic discussion board) who post thread after thread in support of the president.

A person watching from afar can't tell who's stupid. Further more, this thing gets tiring because its like arguing with a wall. Ugh, I feel like eating another blood sausage to pass the time.

what any of your last post means.

The debate basically becomes, how should I put this...circular and nonsensical. I engage in the same debate with the same people who spam post this thread into oblivion with ther loud-mouthed narrowed views. There are countless threads here and most by the same people who want to instigate drama and the threads end up the same way.

Examples---paraphrased.

"New Democrat leader for 2012, your choice." "Are we supporting someone new for 2012" "Healthcare bill must die---Dean is right" 20x. "Rahm is strong arming progressives." "Obama admin talks down to Progressives" "Obama is a failure/corportatist/bushlite/bush3/worse than bush..."100x

I mean this is redundant and to be honest I get exhausted in contributing to threads where people atually like these threads because it allows them to bash the president---which they pass as holding his feet to the fire." Or allows them to awaken primary angst in order to show that HRC would have been better (which is on a quieter use). This whole thing is a joke and then to see the progression---you realize there is no progression and all of it comes out to stupidity.

Especially since I posted on many many many many many many many of them. In the end...I realized I was stupid to assume that I can "reason" with banality, ignorance, and peope who just want to go against the President b/c he doesn't want to do what they say.

As a response, I get more gratification out of eating than arguing a beleaboured point considering how many times I've said it.

:scared: :rofl:

I'm not sure what you mean by a "failure ass-kissing corportatist" but he has tried, in my opinion, to balance multiple interests to create a pragmatic solution to the U.S. problems.

If you equate 'pragmatic' with 'ass-kissing', then we agree that he has not adhered to classic 'liberal' dogma.

I get lazy with the sarcasm button and I feel the statemen loses it's impact when I use it. :D

:fistbump: :hug:

:smoke: :crazy: :pals:

He's done some good and some bad. This was good.

or Bush?

doing this, or being accepted in the negotiations. He'd be idiot son #2.

than Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth?

I suppose these groups are just left of the left, fringe, wackadoo nuts, too?

At some point you guys are going to have to address the criticisms. You can't simply attack the messenger and pretend the President is untouchable forever.

anyway. :grr:

even if they aren't really.

It's classic "Screw me, I'm a victim, so instead of doing anything I type on the internet that we all end up screwed" routine.

Not one iota of credibility or intellectual honesty involved....just groaning and moaning.
And at this point, it is Fucking repetitive and totally boring. :boring:

in Little Dorritt there is a young man who calls himself a "disappointed man." That's his excuse for not doing anything. All these terminally "disappointed" people remind me of that.

if they keep putting you to sleep. :think:

I was wrong. My rec was immediately canceled.

Oh, well, looks like he's going to get things done whether he's liked on the liberal blogs or not. I'm glad he's not going to allow anybody to cow him - he knows what it takes to get things done - even imperfect things.

Love it :)

is the declining influence of the US in international affairs. Other countries are finding they no longer have to kowtow to America. They can exclude America from meetings. I have no doubt that there's a lot of hatred for America and its arrogance out there, and this is an indication of it. Don't expect any of these countries ever to offer a helping hand if we're down and need help, on any matter. They're going to kick us while we're down and do their best to destroy us, while smiling of course. This is what happens when you let your military wage aggressive war against innocent people. You pay a price. We're about to find out what that price is.

Now, we are working on letting the world know we are a partner......which is how Obama puts it.

But of course, some here hate America more than those who should.


U.S. Leadership, Obama Winning Favor in Latin America
Significantly more approve of U.S. leadership than in previous years
December 1, 2009

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Less than one year into President Barack Obama's administration, many foreign policy objectives are still works in progress. Gallup finds, however, that in Latin America, Obama is enjoying improved perceptions of U.S. leadership. Gallup surveyed across the region between July and September 2009 and found regional median approval of U.S. leadership at 51%, up significantly from the previous three years.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/124514/leadership-obama-winning-favor-latin-america.aspx


Poll: U.S.-Europe ties improve
President Barack Obama has made significant strides toward repairing America’s strained relationship with Europe, according to an annual transatlantic survey.


Among Europeans, 41 percent — double the number in 2008 — believe that transatlantic ties have improved over the past year and 31 percent of Americans believe the same, triple the amount from one year ago.


Seventy-seven percent of Europeans supported Obama’s handling of foreign policy, a stark contrast to European perceptions of President George W. Bush’s approach. In 2008, just 19 percent approved of Bush’s handling of international affairs. During the Bush years, disagreements over the Iraq War resulted in record-low European public opinion toward America.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/26893.html



Poll: Israelis support for Obama higher
December 12, 2009
Obama is stronger than has been conveyed," Gerstein said. "It's not that these numbers are strong on their own but in the context of what the narrative has been up until now. He's much stronger when you take into account the priority that Israelis place on the US-Israel relationship."

The poll found that the general Israeli public, by a 65 to 31 margin, believes that the US is the only powerful country that Israel can count on in the world today, and majorities fear the loss of American support in the event that Israel rejected a US-sponsored peace plan.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1260447413343&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull


Improved international standing - The Washington Monthly
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_10/020295.php