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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 02:55 AM
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White House response to legalize marijuana petitions on their website:
I got this in an email.

I'll be curious to hear what others have to say about it, and any fact-checking to either substantiate or refute this.

What We Have to Say About Legalizing Marijuana

By Gil Kerlikowske, Director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy

When the President took office, he directed all of his policymakers to develop policies based on science and research, not ideology or politics. So our concern about marijuana is based on what the science tells us about the drug's effects.

According to scientists at the National Institutes of Health- the world's largest source of drug abuse research - marijuana use is associated with addiction, respiratory disease, and cognitive impairment. We know from an array of treatment admission information and Federal data that marijuana use is a significant source for voluntary drug treatment admissions and visits to emergency rooms. Studies also reveal that marijuana potency has almost tripled over the past 20 years, raising serious concerns about what this means for public health – especially among young people who use the drug because research shows their brains continue to develop well into their 20's. Simply put, it is not a benign drug.

Like many, we are interested in the potential marijuana may have in providing relief to individuals diagnosed with certain serious illnesses. That is why we ardently support ongoing research into determining what components of the marijuana plant can be used as medicine. To date, however, neither the FDA nor the Institute of Medicine have found smoked marijuana to meet the modern standard for safe or effective medicine for any condition.

As a former police chief, I recognize we are not going to arrest our way out of the problem. We also recognize that legalizing marijuana would not provide the answer to any of the health, social, youth education, criminal justice, and community quality of life challenges associated with drug use.

That is why the President's National Drug Control Strategy is balanced and comprehensive, emphasizing prevention and treatment while at the same time supporting innovative law enforcement efforts that protect public safety and disrupt the supply of drugs entering our communities. Preventing drug use is the most cost-effective way to reduce drug use and its consequences in America. And, as we've seen in our work through community coalitions across the country, this approach works in making communities healthier and safer. We're also focused on expanding access to drug treatment for addicts. Treatment works. In fact, millions of Americans are in successful recovery for drug and alcoholism today. And through our work with innovative drug courts across the Nation, we are improving our criminal justice system to divert non-violent offenders into treatment.

Our commitment to a balanced approach to drug control is real. This last fiscal year alone, the Federal Government spent over $10 billion on drug education and treatment programs compared to just over $9 billion on drug related law enforcement in the U.S.

Thank you for making your voice heard. I encourage you to take a moment to read about the President's approach to drug control to learn more.

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/response/what-we-have-say-about-legalizing-marijuana
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 02:58 AM
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1. If you want to hear what others have to say, then just look on the link below to a DU thread
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 03:51 AM
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3. thanks
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lob1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 03:13 AM
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2. Typical government bullshit.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 03:56 AM
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4. I hate it when they call marijuana a drug . . .
it's an herb, and a mild euphoric . . . nothing more, nothing less . . .
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 04:18 AM
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5. 50 years after Nixon and tin soldiers... same old crap.... blah-blah-blah Killer MJ....
Reefer Madness....

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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 05:03 AM
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6. Still blowing smoke - and not the good kind.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 06:22 AM
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7. "Make no mistake: Prohibition was a good policy, we should bring it back "
"Not only did FDR purposely make the Depression worse, he ended the important ban on drinking alcoholic beverages. That's why l've directed Eric Holder to reinstate Prohibition. We'll do for public health what we've done for the economy. "

For the parody-challenged: that is not an actual quote.

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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 09:55 AM
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10. No need for the disclaimer.
We all know you don't use actual quotes or facts here.

:shrug:

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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 02:12 PM
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21. yep--maybe someone needs to put that up as a satire petition, then if it gets enough sigs, they'll
have to explain why alcohol prohibition is good but pot prohibition is bad.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 04:36 PM
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25. That's a great idea.
Maybe I'll give it a whirl.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 09:25 PM
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28. I'll look forward to seeing it.
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droidamus2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 06:41 AM
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8. Just did a little quick research
Not that I really needed to do research to know this guy is just spewing a bunch of BS. The article I found explained the marijuana related 'emergency room visits'. Now I will acknowledge that it might be possible that somebody could be allergic to pot (don't know if that really is possible but you never know) but other than some weird reaction or adulteration of the pot why would somebody need to go to the emergency room after smoking pot (no matter how good the smoke was). Well, the article I found explained that what is reported is not 'emergency room visits that were determined to be because of marijuana and its effects'. What happens is that when somebody comes in for a drug related emergency room visit they are asked what drugs they have done or are doing at that time. Since a lot of people that do coke, speed or heroin also smoke pot the pot answer shows up on the report. The article stated that usually they report the first 4 drugs mentioned. So for example, if a person goes to the emergency room because they are oding on heroin or prescription drugs and they mention marijuana during questioning then this goes down as a emergency room visit with a marijuana 'mention'. The BS is that this doesn't mean the emergency was due to the 'use' of marijuana just that it was merely mentioned.

One of the big reasons it is so hard in this country to move forward with the legalization of marijuana is that these idiot drug warriors are so self righteous about their position that they have no problem with lying, bending the truth, making things up just to 'prove' their point. So either they have deluded themselves into really believing their own crap or they realize their position, as far a pot and it's effects, are so weak that the only way they can convince those with no personal experience with pot to be against it is to lie.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 10:13 AM
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13. One of the problems
with pot being illegal is that you don't always know what you are getting. I remember a long time ago taking a hit off a joint at a party. It made me feel like I'd been run over by a truck. Turns out the stuff was cut with PCP. Lovely.

ButI think the bottom line is that big parma doesn't want marijuana decriminalized. They have too much invested in their anti-depressants, tranquilizers and pain killers to want a simple plant cutting into their profits.
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droidamus2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 11:14 AM
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16. You are right
The capitalists don't like anything that allows the consumer to circumvent the capitalist markets. The corporatists want to keep oil/coal/nuclear as the central power sources where they can perpetually charge the consumer for access rather than than wind or solar where each consumer can generate their own. In the same vein the corporatists don't want medicine or for that matter recreational substances (like tobacco and alcohol) where the production isn't centralized so they can profit from and control the supply. Sure you can make your own wine or beer but distilling is centralized and there are limits on how much beer or wine you are allowed to produce. That's why any legalization of pot has to include the ability of the individual to grow their own supply and not have to rely on the capitalists for their supply. Don't be surprised that if the capitalists see that legalization of marijuana has become inevitable that they will push for laws severely restricting how much an individual can grow. They will probably use some excuse like 'we have to control the amount grown to keep it out of the hands of children' but they will do everything they can to centralize and control.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 02:17 PM
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22. they are not idiots--they are making money for the wealthy
selling drugs, laundering drug money, then getting government contracts to fight the war on drugs.

All of that beats the hell out paying taxes on legalized marijuana.
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snort Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 08:51 AM
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9. Translation:
There is more money to be made keeping it illegal so fuck you American citizens yearning to be free.
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boxman15 Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 10:04 AM
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11. I'm for the legalization of marijuana,
but should this be a priority right now? There's so much more to worry about with regards to the economy and the wars. Marijuana is the left's answer to how big of a priority abortion is to the right. Neither should be high on the totem pole right now, yet they are.
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Prism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 10:11 AM
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12. Treatment of painful illness should always be a priority
I have patients who absolutely need CBD for their well-being. From movement disorders to merely alleviating pain to the point of being able to sleep at night. Right now, they're terrified the federal government is going to shut down the dispensaries they use just to live their lives free from day-to-day pain.

Democrats should not be the party assaulting the sick and the infirm.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 10:46 AM
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14. Is it not a money sink to funnel wealth to the few and a civil liberties nightmare?
Is this prohibition not a major issue for over-extended state and local budgets?
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 11:10 AM
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15. I'm for decriminalization, as opposed to legalization
Edited on Sun Oct-30-11 11:11 AM by frazzled
If that makes any sense. Decriminalization would involve penalties other than jail or prison, for small amounts. Just like alcohol offenders, I think drivers found to be under the influence with a joint in the car should be ticketed, but not subject to criminal prosecution (with a certain number of tickets to this offense leading to revocation of one's drivers license). Small users should not have a criminal record. Both because it harms their futures, and because it's too expensive to prosecute and/or jail all these minor 'offenders.' Also because it is racially biased.

Maybe it sounds hypocritical: a look-the-other-way policy, with repercussions only for people impaired enough to be a danger to the public safety. But I think it would be a good interim step before assessing total legalization.

PS: I smoked plenty of pot and hashish back in my youth, but haven't gone near anything like that since around 1970. It didn't agree with me, but I'm certainly not prudish. On the other hand, despite the fact that I have a glass of wine with dinner and a twice-a-year martini, I'm as opposed to the excessive drinking I see around as I am about certain drugs.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 12:39 PM
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17. you don't think the revenue generated from taxed sales of legal herb is a pressing matter?
not to mention the savings wasted in enforcement. this directly effects the economy.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 01:29 PM
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18. Elizabeth Warren is against legalizing marijuana, too.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 02:09 PM
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20. Meaning what, exactly?
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 04:24 PM
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24. then she's not getting my vote for president
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 01:31 PM
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19. Same tired lies. Lump it in with "drugs" & "addiction." No "change" here.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 02:39 PM
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23. At this point, they sound like Republicans, factless, feckless and
faith based. This administration needs to drop the pretense of listening to a public they hold in contempt, this petition thing is nonsense if it is going to produce nothing but repeated blather lifted from the Bush era.
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Amimnoch Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 04:39 PM
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26. The war on drugs is failed.
I'm completely pro-legalization. Besides all of the other arguments presented already, that argue the touted effects, I think there is an even more basic, and more simple argument for legalization.

Has the war on drugs had any effect at all on reducing the availability of illegal drugs? In particular has it had any effect at all on reducing the availability of it to minors? The answer is an absolutely not. What it has done is put control of the drugs into the hands of people who have no regulation, pay no taxes, and have no scruples what so ever about who buys the product, nor do many of them care at all about the products quality.

This is one of the areas that pro- and anti-drug people should be able to reach a compromise on. Legalizing with legislation written in to protect companies rights to continue drug testing, and keeping mandatory testing in certain industries, and making testing in mandatory in other industries (education, medical, etc..) is the best way to go imho.

This way, we can ensure that the ones who sell are licensed, and have regulations/rules to follow (like no selling to minors, something that the current people who sell don't care at all about), and continue to ensure that people who work in areas like DOT, DOD, DOE have to remain uninfluenced in their jobs by abuse. Much like prohibition, I fully believe that legalization will decrease the use, not increase. It will provide additional tax revenue, and eliminate the business model of proven violent crime organizations like drug cartels.

I say this as someone who doesn't do the stuff, and will continue to abstain should it be legalized. It is better for society to legalize and control than continue with the current failed system that is in place. This war is, and has been lost. The laws it would take to actually remove it would never be accepted by the population, so legalization, control, taxation, and regulation is the only way to go to achieve any kind of measurable improvement.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 05:07 PM
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27. I asked my college students one time how long it would take them to get pot if they left the room...
and they said, ''Leave the room?''

When it's that easy to get, the war on drugs is just a bad joke.
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